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July 21, 2009 2:50 AM

Obama Administration Takes Aim At Gun-Rights Revolt

(CBS)
The Obama administration is raising the stakes in a fight over states' rights and firearm ownership by arguing that new pro-gun laws in Montana and Tennessee are invalid.

In the last few months, a grass-roots, federalist revolt against Washington, D.C. has begun to spread through states that are home to politically active gun owners. Montana and Tennessee have enacted state laws saying that federal rules do not apply to firearms manufactured entirely within the state, and similar bills are pending in Texas, Alaska, Minnesota, and South Carolina.

Yet the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and Explosives now claims that that not only is such a state law invalid, but "because the act conflicts with federal firearms laws and regulations, federal law supersedes the act."

Tennessee's law already has taken effect. The BATF's letter on July 16 to firearms manufacturers and dealers in the state says "federal law requires a license to engage in the business of manufacturing firearms or ammunition, or to deal in firearms, even if the firearms or ammunition remain within the same state."

A similar letter was sent to manufacturers and dealers in Montana, where the made-in-the-state law takes effect on October 1, 2009. Neither law permits certain large caliber weapons or machine guns, and both would bypass federal regulations including background checks for buyers and record-keeping requirements for sellers.

While this federalism-inspired revolt has coalesced around gun rights, the broader goal is to dust off a section of the Bill of Rights that most Americans probably have paid scant attention to: the Tenth Amendment. It says that "powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people."

Read literally, the Tenth Amendment seems to suggest that the federal government's powers are limited only to what it has been "delegated," and the U.S. Supreme Court in 1918 confirmed that the amendment "carefully reserved" some authority "to the states." That view is echoed by statements made at the time the Constitution was adopted; New Hampshire explicitly said that states kept "all powers not expressly and particularly delegated" to the federal government.

More recently, federal courts have interpreted the Tenth Amendment narrowly, in a way that justifies almost any law on grounds that it intends to regulate interstate commerce. In the 2005 case of Gonzales v. Raich, for instance, the Supreme Court ruled that a person growing marijuana for her own medicinal use could have a "substantial effect on interstate commerce."

(In an impassioned dissent at the time, Justice Clarence Thomas wrote: "If Congress can regulate this under the Commerce Clause, then it can regulate virtually anything -- and the federal government is no longer one of limited and enumerated powers.")

Gary Marbut, president of the Montana Shooting Sports Association, said in an interview with CBSNews.com on Monday that he expects to be facing off against the Obama administration in court soon. "We will find the right test cases to get us in court," he said.

Marbut believes that the letters were't that meaningful because they were addressed to gun manufacturers and dealers who already are licensed by the federal government. "Those people already are under the thumb of the Feds," he said. "We've assumed they wouldn't want to put their circumstances at risk in dabbling in the state-made guns business. The people who the letters are addressed to are pretty irrelevant to the whole discussion."

Translation: If you're a gunsmith talented enough to build a made-in-Montana gun under the state's forthcoming law, give Marbut a ring. Just don't be surprised if the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms, and Explosives is not entirely pleased.
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by knits_seitnap September 6, 2009 4:15 PM EDT
UR_Majesty 2007......Due/due-ess.......whatever....see a "shrink" right away!!! YOU need help, seriously!!!!!
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by dixt1 July 23, 2009 9:19 PM EDT
The U.S. Constitution allows us to bear arms, individually. The founders themselves said it was mainly as defense of foreign enemies and/or a "tyrannical government". The Founders KNEW about "tyrannical governments", as they had one back in England. They wanted to MAKE SURE that the citizens of this "new nation" DID NOT have to live with such a government.
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by seafang July 23, 2009 7:26 PM EDT
""" by elpaulito July 21, 2009 11:42 AM EDT
So, all of you paranoid gun nuts say you need guns to protect yourselves from the govt. How do you feel about the warrentless wiretapping? Just wondering. I have a feeling you are all for having the govt spy on American citizens in the name of national security, but want your guns to protect yourselves from them. Make up your minds. please. You cant have your cake and eat it too. """

What utter nonsense; I can just go out in the stret or even into a public rest room, and listen in on people's personal telephone calls; and they are pissed off because they are worried that the government might too.

Well then why don't you stop making your inane meaningless phone conversations out in public, as if nobody has anything better to do than listen to your drivel.
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by seafang July 23, 2009 7:23 PM EDT
So what do the following plain English language words mean:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State; the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, shall not be abridged."

Alternatively does it mean anything different from the following: :"The right of the people to peacably assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances shall not be abridged." or do those words mean that ONLY a well regulated militia may peacably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances ? I don't mean in any legal sense; just what do those words mean in the rules of the English language.

By the way; if the second amendment does not protect the right of the people (individually) to keep and bear arms; the ninth amnedment most certainly does; since it says the people retain all the rights that they don't specifically convey to the government.
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by seafang July 23, 2009 7:19 PM EDT
So what do the following plain English language words mean:

"A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State; the right of the people to peaceably assemble and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances, shall not be abridged."

Alternatively does it mean anything different from the following: :"The right of the people to peacably assemble and to petition the government for a redress of grievances shall not be abridged." or do those words mean that ONLY a well regulated militia may peacably assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances ? I don't mean in any legal sense; just what do those words mean in the rules of the English language.

By the way; if the second amendment does not protect the right of the people (individually) to keep and bear arms; the ninth amnedment most certainly does; since it says the people retain all the rights that they don't specifically convey to the government.
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by straightmate July 23, 2009 6:19 PM EDT
This is nothing but bickering over state vs. federal rules, the real BS here is that they're wasating tax dollars and time fighting over something that really isn't that important. Obama has brains enough not to screw us on the 2nd Amendment, but meanwhile unemployment heads tward...how much again? But, HEY! Where did you get that gun? Can you have that? Is it concealed? Do you have permit? Is it loaded? Have you had a training course? BLAH, BLAH, BLAH!!!!!!! God I wish they'd do something important... economy, health care, legal weed, some damn thing, ANYTHING BUT WASTE TIME WITH THIS CRAP!!!!!!!!!
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by 2bgregarious4u July 23, 2009 6:07 PM EDT
It seems you are one of the demomorons who have their heads where the sun doesn't shine. You are the cause not the solution to these comments you made. There is a narcissist in the white house, who has a grandiose image of himself, just like you, and Jim Jones, Charles Manson, Joseph Koni, Joe Stalin, Adolph Hitler, and Saddam. Need I go on? What good is a constitution if you let some foreign country take you over, because you like a little privacy on your phone. Get real!
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by coonberry July 23, 2009 5:32 PM EDT
Our constitution was written to make sure our government could not take our rights from us. Funny how people want to change part of it but not all of it. People add to it when its not needed.
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by nordeck52 July 23, 2009 5:14 PM EDT
I'm all for the States here, but as the Constitution says, Federal laws do indeed come before the laws of the individual states. This is another example of the federal government having too much power.
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by Illuminated1 July 23, 2009 4:49 PM EDT
You can label me anything you want, I am against gun control and believe the states did it right.
I agree the federal government has overstepped its' authority as well, but keep in mind that we already fought the civil war and this is one nation of states, and not countries that make up a nation.
As for the laws passed in those states....bravo, I believe in the constitution, and some states like California have gone too far in gun control.
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by MiddleClassWorker July 23, 2009 4:09 PM EDT
A gun is a substitute for a tiny *****.
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by nicholsong July 23, 2009 2:37 PM EDT
Another thing lacking from this string is the understanding that the militia existed BEFORE the United States of America, and will likely exist AFTER its collapse. If any of you have read the Federalist Papers and the Anti-Federalist Papers you will know that the threat of a standing army was considered as great or greater a dangerous corrupting influence as allowing a foreign bank to control our currency or entangling treaties with questionable allies. Even a cursory reading of the debates over the militia and individual firearm ownership shows a clear bias toward the idea of not a king's army or president's army but rather a citizen army that could be called forth or act of their own volition.
Remember, the National Guard--serving at the pleasure of the Commander in Chief thanks to Congress governing it under its power to "raise and support armies" can be sent overseas, and regularly is sent overseas. In contrast, the unorganized militia, comprised of the rest of us able bodied males between 17 and 45, can only be called for "to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions". This prohibition AGAINST putting the unorganized militia under full control of a President by design and definition a way to preclude any Executive gaining too much power. Read the debates.

And if you think I'm making this up, allow me to quote the Senate Judiciary Subcommittee on the Constitution:

"That the National Guard is not the "Militia" referred to in the second amendment is even clearer today. Congress has organized the National Guard under its power to "raise and support armies" and not its power to "Provide for the organizing, arming and disciplining the Militia". This Congress chose to do in the interests of organizing reserve military units which were not limited in deployment by the strictures of our power over the constitutional militia, which can be called forth only "to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions." The modern National Guard was specifically intended to avoid status as the constitutional militia, a distinction recognized by 10 U.S.C. Sec. 311(a).

As for 10 USC 311, well let's look at it:

§ 311. Militia: composition and classes

(a) The militia of the United States consists of all able-bodied males at least 17 years of age and, except as provided in section 313 of title 32, under 45 years of age who are, or who have made a declaration of intention to become, citizens of the United States and of female citizens of the United States who are members of the National Guard.
(b) The classes of the militia areā??
(1) the organized militia, which consists of the National Guard and the Naval Militia; and
(2) the unorganized militia, which consists of the members of the militia who are not members of the National Guard or the Naval Militia.

Congress deemed "militia" to include a massive amount of people. Congress even went so far as to define two classes of militia. One is the "select militia" which embodies the National Guard and Coast Guard, and another called the "unorganized militia" that includes every other male who fits the parameters I mentioned above. But wait, there's more: Congress chose to govern the National Guard (the "select militia") using its power to "raise and support armies" and NOT its constitutional power to "provide for calling forth and arming the militia" which they reserved for the unorganized militia. The picture should thus be coming clear to you, if you are unafraid of nuanced reality: The Second Article in Amendment to the United States Constitution provides for the arming of individuals who will comprise BOTH the national guard AND the unorganized militia.

If you have any lingering doubts, the US Senate's own Committee of the Judiciary wrote, and I quote "The conclusion is thus inescapable that the history, concept, and wording of the second amendment to the Constitution of the United States, as well as its interpretation by every major commentator and court in the first half century after its ratification, indicates that what is protected is an individual right of a private citizen to own and carry firearms in a peaceful manner."

Don't let anyone ever snow you on this issue again.
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by p94932 July 23, 2009 12:58 PM EDT
everyone needs to have an ar15 in their closet!
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by gunownerdan July 23, 2009 1:32 PM EDT
And don't forget the ammo! An gun is nothing but an expensive club without the ammo.
by troglobyte July 23, 2009 12:52 PM EDT
"People are stupid; given proper motivation, almost anyone will believe almost anything. Because people are stupid, they will believe a lie because they want to believe it's true, or because they are afraid it might be true. People?s heads are full of knowledge, facts, and beliefs, and most of it is false, yet they think it all true. People are stupid; they can only rarely tell the difference between a lie and the truth, and yet they are confident they can, and so are all the easier to fool." WFR
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by AllenMensch July 23, 2009 12:31 PM EDT
Molon labe!
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by IdahoCowgirl July 22, 2009 6:43 PM EDT
GEORGE WASHINGTON: ?A free people ought to be armed.?
THOMAS JEFFERSON: ?No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms.?
NOAH WEBSTER: ?Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed, as they are in almost every country in Europe.?
GEORGE MASON: ?To disarm the people is the most effectual way to enslave them.?
GEORGE WASHINGTON: ?Firearms stand next in importance to the Constitution itself. They are the people?s liberty teeth (and) keystone? the rifle and the pistol are equally indispensable? more than 99% of them [guns] by their silence indicate that they are in safe and sane hands. The very atmosphere of firearms everywhere restrains evil interference [crime]. When firearms go, all goes, we need them every hour.?
JOHN ADAMS: ?Arms in the hands of citizens may be used at individual discretion in private self defense.?
THOMAS JEFFERSON: ?Laws that forbid the carrying of arms?disarm only those who are neither inclined or determined to commit crimes. Such laws only make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assassins; they serve to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.?
BENJAMIN FRANKLIN: Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.?

NOW WHAT is your opinion Fred-Mertz? You are willing to give up your rights? Move out then! We don't need you laying on your back willing to take whatever Big Gov't feels like allowing you to have! Do you want to rounded up some day and put in camps? Don't think for one minute that that can't and won't happen once they disarm the citizens. That is the only thing keeping us from tyranny. The very fact that you can't see that tells me you need to brush up on history! You are a spoon fed librat!

When a government fears the people, you have liberty!
When the people fear the government, you have tyranny!

Wake up anti-gun people! This is your Constitutional Right for a REASON! Quit believing what the elitists are feeding you because they are stripping our rights everyday!
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by IdahoCowgirl July 22, 2009 6:47 PM EDT
By the way the question marks were " " but the copy and paste did not work.......sorry for confusion if any.
by johninpennsyl July 22, 2009 12:54 PM EDT
If nothing else,it should be an interesting showdown on states rights.
The time is right for this movement,too,as the Federal Government has proven itself totally worthless.
Not content to pick our pockets themselves-they allow a tribe of Wall Street thieves to fleece our future.
If we can get some more power back to the states,we have a chance of controlling it,and using it a little more wisely.
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by malcumberland July 22, 2009 9:11 AM EDT
The author sounds so surprised when they state: 'Read literally, the Tenth Amendment seems to suggest that the federal government's powers are limited only to what it has been "delegated," and the U.S. Supreme Court in 1918 confirmed that the amendment "carefully reserved" some authority "to the states."'

There is no need for surprise, that is exactly how the country was structured until FDR threatened to pack the Supreme Court that was overturning all of his New Deal programs as unconstitutional exercises of federal power which was not specifically delegated to him/Congress by the Constitution.

People forget our history too quickly to the detriment of their civil liberties.
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by randynaz July 22, 2009 2:56 AM EDT
Alot of people are arguing partisan polotics, look both partys are the same bush sucked, now obama sucks. They both have no respect for the constitution the just trash differnt parts of it.
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by abba00 July 21, 2009 11:56 PM EDT
Gun control is not about guns, it is about control
Simply put, unarmed people make better slaves to goverment and are easier to control. Don't believe me. Take a look at Russia, China, etc.
Now I am just a simple person, not smart like the people who are running this country and seem to be able to keep even the true conservitives at odds with their desire to be free.
In that simplicity I always understood that the constitution was the law of the land in the USA? The president to the simple grunt in the armed services swears to keep and protect it so what happens when the president down violates their oath to keep and protect the constitution, the law of the land? Are they above the law that is there for the good of all?
I guess they are if the people do not demand that all are equal and must abide according to the law. The law does not mean anything unless it is enforced by all and for all the people. Of course unarmed people cannot demand much now can they.
So who is the out-law here? Those who keep the law or those who exempt themselves in their superior mentality?
Now that we can agree the constitution gives us a right to protect ourselves lawfully, (if we will) what is the next move?
How about holding all the out-law politicians accountable for breaking the law, instead of protecting the law abiding citizen who lives by the law of the constitution?
Each state has the right as a soverign unit of the United States to set its own laws in agreement with the constitution and withdraw if those laws are violated. How about holding your state accountable to the law? And then the feds. If every state did that then there would not be a need to march on DC. That is if it is done before the out-laws take your guns and put the chains on your neck or take you out back.
So think about it, the power of unity to organize is most important right now. Presently you have a say in matters that effect you and this country through the vote.
If this country wants to keep its constitution now is the time to organize and protect the freedom it offers.
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