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July 15, 2009 12:58 PM

Congress to Military: Take More F-22s. We Insist.

(AP)
President Obama's reiterated Wednesday that he is prepared to veto the 2010 defense appropriations bill if the version that crosses his desk authorizes $1.75 billion in funding to continue building F-22 Stealth Fighters, also known as Raptors.

With the cost of building one new F-22 coming in at just under a quarter billion dollars, that's enough for seven more planes.

As the White House notes in a statement, "the collective judgment of the Service Chiefs and Secretaries of the military departments determined that a final program of record of 187 F-22s is sufficient to meet operational requirements."

Though some Air Force leaders have suggested that more F-22s are needed, the White House's point seems difficult to argue: As Secretary of Defense Robert Gates noted in February, "the reality is we are fighting two wars, in Iraq and Afghanistan, and the F-22 has not performed a single mission in either theater."

On Monday, the president wrote a letter to the Senate Armed Services Committee stating flatly, "we do not need these planes."

"To continue to procure additional F-22s would be to waste valuable resources that should be more usefully employed to provide our troops with weapons that they actually do need," he wrote.

Gates, who would prefer to build F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, has been pushing for a shift in focus of military spending toward counterinsurgency preparedness. He calls the F-22 "a niche, silver-bullet solution required for a limited number of scenarios."

Yet members of both parties in Congress are pushing through funding for the F-22s. The reason? Jobs. Lockheed Martin, the manufacturer of the plane, says 95,000 jobs would be lost in a variety of states if F-22s stop being built. The company has spent millions lobbying to keep the airplane in production, according to National Public Radio.

Republicans Sens. Saxby Chambliss and Johnny Isakson of Georgia, whose party has been railing against Democrats for wasteful spending, have been pushing hard to fund the F-22s. Chambliss argued on the Senate floor yesterday that it is up to lawmakers – not the military – what gets funded. He acknowledged that many of the jobs lost if production ended would be in his home state.

The leading Senate opponent of funding the F-22s is also a Republican: 2008 GOP presidential nominee and Arizona Sen. John McCain. "We cannot argue that we should spend taxpayers' dollars for weapons systems simply to create or keep jobs," he said, adding that Congress will work to provide employment opportunities to those who lose their jobs.

McCain and Democratic Sen. Carl Levin, who head the Armed Services Committee, have been pushing an amendment to get the F-22 funding killed. But they retreated Wednesday, with Levin saying the amendment "was temporarily withdrawn because we couldn't get to a vote."

Indeed, there are not clear party lines when it comes to the F-22: The Bush administration also tried to kill it, and many Democrats are siding with Chambliss and supporting the funding. One defense analyst told NPR that there may not even be enough votes in the Senate to keep a presidential veto from being overturned.

The $1.75 billion in F-22 funding is, amazingly enough, actually just a giant drop in a gargantuan bucket: The total price tag on the fiscal year 2010 defense bill is $679.8 billion.
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by Snowhare July 22, 2009 4:23 AM EDT
1) Even if it is a drop in a bucket it is still a lot of money, no matter hov relatively small the sum may be. And as someone said: you have to start somewhere.
2) The plane is useless: We do not fight big nations in the future but small cells of terror or small headquarters of some operation or group. In this we need drones or transporters, not F22s.
3) Given that 2) is true, the whole project would kill many jobs. This argument coming from the same people who are against the stimulus bill because they don't like state-supported economy - well, anyone with a brain sees where that would lead in terms of hipocrisy.

So, the decision is correct.
Since the money stays in the military budget (I think) it can now be put to better use there. Spend it on improving drones, for example, or developing stealth-transporter planes to secretly smuggle larger numbers of troops into areas wehre they are needed. Whatever, just not this outdated Big-Nation-Against-Big-Nation-Warefare equipment
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by bobnjersey July 16, 2009 10:59 AM EDT
[The total price tag on the fiscal year 2010 defense bill is $679.8 billion. ]

this is absolutely shameful.

an annual budget that's creeping toward a billion dollars on defense? it's likely that better than half the budget is pork ... simply there because it trickles into congressional districts ... and those yahoos vote for it blindly only because of that.

actual need or value need not be present.
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by tincup356 July 15, 2009 11:00 PM EDT
The REAL REASON congress votes for this stuff.....LOBBY DOLLARS. NO other reason , they ALL have crawled into bed with the defense lobbyists.Our government is completely full of greedy corrupt con artists. Stop the lie wars and stop wasting money on them ,defense means DEFENDING America,,,,NOT invading around the world.
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by tautomer July 15, 2009 6:29 PM EDT
There is virtually no possibility of a future war involving the US. Whatever our potential enemy wants, Obama will graciously cede. No longer will the US engage in the nasty practice of killing the enemy. Instead we will do as in Afghanistan where we lose more guys than we kill.

Weapons are obsolete. It took Obama to realize that we need only smile and concede and war will vanish forever!!! It's hard to believe nobody ever realized that before he did.!!! Thank God for Obama.
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by Questionews July 15, 2009 5:19 PM EDT
If we go to war with China and Russia over anything, we gunna get our booties kicked. What's the ole adage...Never get in a multi-front land war in Asia? sumpn like that.

by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter July 15, 2009 2:58 PM EDT



Princess Bride:
"You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders! The most famous is never get involved in a land war in Asia, but only slightly less well-known is this: never go in against a Sicilian when death is on the line! Ha ha ha ha ha ha"
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by erasmus111 July 15, 2009 5:14 PM EDT
by erasmus111 July 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT
And no, I don't know how you got your name. How?



What am I saying???? Obviously you got it from lifting skirts!!
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by erasmus111 July 15, 2009 6:25 PM EDT
by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter July 15, 2009 6:06 PM EDT
No silly girl...There was a serial skirt lifter in Berkeley. It's a funny story. Some folks wanted him treated like a child rapist and others thought he was harmless....made for great debate.


I googled it. I can't believe it! I have heard of everything now.

Some thought he was harmless? Well, if he was just lifting their skirts, maybe, but it sounds like he was doing a little more than that. : )
by erasmus111 July 15, 2009 6:29 PM EDT
Maybe his punishment should be having his fingers chopped off.
by erasmus111 July 15, 2009 5:12 PM EDT
by Berkeley_Skirt_Lifter July 15, 2009 4:59 PM EDT
I bet if we sat in Blondie's, suckin' down a couple of pints and scarfin' down some pizza, talking politics, religion, or whatever, you'd probably be attracted to this pervert!

You do know how I got my name, right?



My mommy always told me NEVER to discuss religion and politics. They start WARS. : ) BUT, if I had about 10 beers, maybe.

And no, I don't know how you got your name. How?
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by rwsmith29456 July 15, 2009 5:11 PM EDT
I'm no expert but I understand the F-22 (as much as I admire it) is a black hole for production and maintenance costs. We aren't using this type of warplane at the moment. Let's push for the F-35 and get better equipment for the guys that are on the ground right now.
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by Maxdog1234 July 15, 2009 5:09 PM EDT
Why you did not show the last one
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by Maxdog1234 July 15, 2009 5:06 PM EDT
Well Hells Bells why don't we just buy some $300.00 Tiolet seats or
$90.00 Hammers-I mean the feds waste so much money now what's a little more.My old bosses wife worked at an air force base in Sacramento,Calif. They replaced all the chairs and desks in the offices after a year and dumped them in a big dumpster.P.S. they
were very old almost two years old,She asked why ?and was told if we do not spend the money we won't get as much next year-The air base is now closed-There trying to make it into a home for the homeless
but that's been going now for four or five years to no avail.
What a cluster *)(*
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