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June 30, 2009 12:25 PM

Raising the Stakes in the Energy Debate

(AP / CBS)
The passage of a landmark energy and climate change bill in the House of Representatives on Friday represented a major victory for President Obama and Democratic House leaders who managed to wrangle together votes among their diverse party -- tying together the liberal wing of the party with congressmen representing moderate farmers and factory workers.

The bill, however, passed by a razor-thin margin with a vote of 219 to 212 -- with 44 Democrats defecting (and eight Republicans voting for it). Now, as the bill moves to the Senate, both sides of the energy debate are upping the ante politically and turning the legislation into fodder for future elections.

The Republican party is taking aim at junior Democrats from moderate districts who voted for the legislation, betting they will pay the price for their votes. The liberal Netroots, meanwhile, are considering a "full-court press" against senators who may not vote in favor of a more liberal version of the bill.

The National Republican Congressional Committee is planning to launch television and radio ads, as well as robo-calls, against junior Democrats who could be vulnerable in the 2010 elections because of their support for the climate change legislation, the Politico reports. One congressman who could be targeted, for instance, is Rep. Harry Teague (D-N.M.), the first Democrat elected to represent the conservative 2nd District -- which depends on oil and gas production -- in more than 25 years.

"There's a reason why over 40 Democrats in swing districts voted against this," NRCC spokesman Ken Spain told Politico. "They realized that voting for [Speaker Nancy] Pelosi's bill wasn't worth the price of millions of dollars in TV ads that would be required to put up what will ultimately be a futile defense of this vote. The question is: What were the others thinking?"

Republicans who voted against the bill were clearly thinking of their congressional victory in 1994 as they chanted on the House floor last week, "Btu! Btu!" The chant alluded to a 1993 energy bill the Clinton administration pushed through the House. The bill ultimately failed, but some say it boosted the Republicans' standing that year.

By contrast, some liberal organizations are saying Democrats will lose ground if they do not strengthen the energy bill.

MoveOn.org, a powerful liberal grassroots advocacy group, is asking its members whether it should use its influence to "turn up the heat on senators who might be tempted to side with Big Oil and Coal."

The organization sent an e-mail to its members Monday saying that the energy legislation will not accomplish Mr. Obama's goals of creating a clean energy economy or new jobs because "Big Oil and Coal lobbyists, working in cahoots with some conservative Blue Dog Democrats, weakened the bill terribly." MoveOn wants members to vote on whether the group should use its resources to "fight to... fix the energy bill" or not. If two-thirds of the voters approve, the group will press the issue in the Senate.

"If we decide to proceed with this campaign together, we'll boost progressive champions like those who fought in the House, and expose conservatives who do the bidding of the oil and coal industry," the e-mail says.

MoveOn, which boasts 5 million members, has already used its clout to target Democrats the group considers too weak on health care reform, such as Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) and Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-La.).

The environmental group Greenpeace, which opposes the energy legislation for the concessions it gives to polluting industries, has also asked its supporters to appeal to Congress for legislation to end global warming.

The fight reveals what's at stake as Mr. Obama pushes an aggressive agenda that will take significant compromising to win bipartisan support -- or even make it through a diverse Democratic majority.

"This is when it gets harder," Mr. Obama said at a fundraiser last night about his agenda. "This is when the criticism gets louder... this is exactly the moment we need to fight the hardest."
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by metnav July 4, 2009 3:39 AM EDT
Even ten years ago, if I had suggested that the majority party?s proposed bill would be withheld from the minority party two hours from the vote ? and then one copy was grudgingly provided, to be shared by all 435 Representatives , you would have looked at me like I was a crazy person??.

Well that?s exactly what happened this past Friday when Congress voted on and passed the infamous HR 2454 Cap and Trade/Carbon Emissions Bill. Final vote: 219 Yea, 212 Nay. A little after 3 am on that very same day a 300 page amendment was added to the original 900+ pages. This is the longest suicide note in history and will further hasten our downward economic spiral. The Senate looks to debate it this Fall where it will likely get nowhere. Friday?s vote may have been a gift to the POTUS for the upcoming UN meeting knowing there?s little chance of it getting thru the Senate. Before Friday?s vote I made my feelings known to our Democratic Congressman. I see he voted No but I?ve no idea what his real motivation was. Some that voted Yes received calls 20:1 urging a No vote and they still voted Yes.

This is about more than just higher electricity rates. It?s a massive redistribution of wealth, further limits our freedoms all under the guise of reducing an essential trace greenhouse gas, and does next to nil for energy independence. This Manmade Global Warming/Climate Change House Of Cards is tumbling down. Every week more and more new contrary evidence is seeing the light of day. The Mainstream Media won?t report it, but this vital information is getting out to those that want honest debate on this important issue.

Looking past the Senate this Fall we have the December Copenhagen UN meeting on a new Global Warming Treaty. Remember the Kyoto Treaty? Well you ain?t seen nothing yet. I shudder to think what the U.S. delegation would love to commit us to for years or decades forward. Lastly there?s the EPA waiting in the wings to regulate all things CO2. Just this past week a leaked string of internal EPA e-mails detailed suppression of evidence that undermines the CO2 argument.

Remember Friday?s vote, because if this horror show is implemented on the American public it will blow up in our face as it has in every country this has been tried. At what cost in dollars and individual freedoms? Mark your calendar in RED, because that is the path we are heading toward. Contact your Senators and ask them if they?re prepared to defend a Yes vote for this misguided Bill. Let them know a NO Vote will ensure your support next election cycle.
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by PacificGatePost July 1, 2009 5:21 PM EDT
CAP and TRADE Will Create Companies TOO BIG TO FAIL

So what?s the real scoop? Ignore the proselytizers and find out from those who ?shaped? the Bill ?.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2009/07/dear-mr-president-thanks-again-for-cap.html
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by ludvig1-2009 June 30, 2009 5:54 PM EDT
Back in high school chemistry, we did an experiment where we timed warming up a beaker of water with a bunsen burner while melting ice. While the ice was in the beaker, there was no temperature increase as heat was being absorbed in the ice melting process. When the ice melted, the temperature increased rapidly. Locally we just had a 110 degree day. That's not all that far from 140, but 140 will definitely terminate you. When all the ice in the polar regions are melted, the sun will be a bunsen burner and the earth the beaker. It's time for Liberals to stop fighting nuclear energy and Republicans to stop cheering for big hog vehicles.
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by dennisall77 June 30, 2009 5:31 PM EDT
Tyically, on this board, the conservatives are worried about how much fighting climate change will COST us and that they might actually have to give up their SUVs and stop eating out 5 times a week. Liberals are worried about the state of the planet in 50 years for our grandkids. It is obvious with all the changes already happening, that we are in for a load of @rappy weather and devastating storms and rising sea levels that will end up costing us all FAR MORE if we don't stop it now. Where will all those rich convervatives go when the poor and homeless displaced by unliveable situations come after their food, water and shelter? Short sighted conservatives vs long sighted Liberals. Who will win? The greedy or the caring?
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by quickly101 June 30, 2009 5:15 PM EDT
I hope the bill passes the Senate. True it does not go far enough but it is a starting point. I am so sick of the oil and coal industries wrecking the environment.
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by bill517 June 30, 2009 5:15 PM EDT
http://cei.org/cei_files/fm/active/0/DOC062509-004.pdf
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by cdegolier June 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
Reading these posts makes me realize the idiot liberals have no idea what they are talking about, they simply listen to whatever their idiot leader algore (expert scientist) tells them. "A report from The Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research says that Antarctic ice is growing, not melting away. Ice core drilling in the fast ice off Australia's Davis Station in East Antarctica by the Antarctic Climate and Ecosystems Co-Operative Research Centre shows that last year, the ice had a maximum thickness of 1.89m, its densest in 10 years." Not to mention could algore please explain why global warming (if caused solely by man) is happening on several other planets? Global warming is a natural cycle the earth goes through and has been for millions of years. And gee, water vapor is the primary greenhouse gas, so should be drain all the oceans?

Are prepared to lose millions of jobs, pay more for electricity, food, clothing, transportation, housing? Do you actually think that companies are going to stick around and pay more in taxes, when other countries would be happy to have them? The effect of this idiotic bill is companies moving over seas taking millions of jobs with them, in turn raising the cost of goods and the the CO2 levels by having to transport the goods back to the US. Many farmers will go out of business meaning more imported food and less controls and again we come back to added CO2 in transporting the food back to the US. Most of the produce I by was grown less than 2 hours from my home, if obama gets his way it will be thousands of miles from my home.
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by bajabenedik-2009 June 30, 2009 6:12 PM EDT
by cdegolier
Global warming is a natural cycle the earth goes through and has been for millions of years.
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Yes I agree it is a natural cycle but if you look at the scientific data, the warming has sped up MUCH faster than the "normal" cycle. In other words, the warming that is going on right now shouldn't happen for thousands of years in the future instead of causing havoc within 100 years on Earth now.
by impeachbhb June 30, 2009 4:22 PM EDT
All a part of Obama's wonderful master plan. Use global warming as a way to bring down the American economy as jobs will flow to countries who don't have anti pollution regulations in place.

With Obama in power the chickens will come home to roost. He learned a lot of hate for this country in Rev Wrights church.

He will become dictator and supreme ruler within the next two years. America will never have to worry about real elections again. He will run them like his friends in Iran.
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by specialty8 June 30, 2009 4:36 PM EDT
I don't think that will happen, even if it is his goal, The bills are coming due and he is making alot more of them. At a time when we need help he is putting more hurt on us. He is a one term president like Jimmy was.
by bajabenedik-2009 June 30, 2009 4:57 PM EDT
Our economy is already in shambles by the practices and policies by our government for the past 20-30 years. Both Dems and Republicans have equal blame in the mess we are in. Pointing fingers at one party is just deflecting responsibility on your own party. When Americans start holding BOTH parties responsible is when we may be able to save ourselves.
by zonkzilla June 30, 2009 4:13 PM EDT
I think the headlines were meant to read "Raising gasoline prices during a depression to keep record profits" or maybe "Raising the stakes of the collapse of the US by raising gasoline prices".
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by artvandelay005 June 30, 2009 4:11 PM EDT
I can't believe the divisiveness on this. Climate change, if you look at pure numbers and get away from the polarizing force it's become, is very real, at least in terms of the amounts of C02 we're pumping into the atmosphere as both a country and as a planet. The US needs a step in the right direction; whether this provides it or not will be seen in the future, with the hopeful advent of new technologies. Anyway, this wraps up a few sources into one for a better picture:

http://www.newsy.com/videos/climate_bill_heats_up_congress
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by specialty8 June 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT
Why don't you tell it to Al Gore? Tell him to unplug some of his heated swimming pools, and turn some of the lights off at his mansion. He uses enough energy for a city block. His motto is "save, make more for Gore".
by specialty8 June 30, 2009 4:10 PM EDT
Must have run poor ole Sky off. Besides that he needs to learn who the confederate party was. Is it the the one he loves now?
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by specialty8 June 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT
sky, I would as did alot of the democraps, they know when the bills come due for this and the working families see it hit their pockets, already has started, just like Jimmy Carter the party is over. My how history repeats itself.
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by dynaride93 June 30, 2009 3:25 PM EDT
That bill is no victory. It was the worst ever written. Highlights include dismantling everything Made in the USA. All autos, all steel, all fuels, all go to foreign countries. The taxes are intolerable towards businesses, and consumers won't buy into it.

In fact it may save the Nation. Not because it was something the Nation needed, but because Middle America has awoken to this liberal nonsense. The November 2010 will tear down the Obama legacy of Worst President Ever, and null all the Democrat irresponsibility.

The United States of Middle America can't afford it, doesn't want it, and will "revolt and overthrow it" if this continues.

I remind you of something in Abraham Lincoln's First Inaugural Address, Monday, March 4, 1861:

This country, with its institutions, belongs to the people who inhabit it. Whenever they shall grow weary of the existing Government, they can exercise their constitutional right of amending it or their revolutionary right to dismember or overthrow it.
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by monitutonka June 30, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
And here I thought that congress was supposed to be there to do what the people wanted. I guess the people don't count as long as congress gets it's way. The energy bill is not what is in the best interest of the people, and if senators do the "full court press" and will punish those who vote against it, it just shows they are there for their own interests not the people's.
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by bajabenedik-2009 June 30, 2009 3:23 PM EDT
Our country is doomed to fail if our policiticans do not COLLECTIVELY yank their heads out of their a$$e$ and do the right thing to move our country forward as opposed to only worrying about whether they can stay in power. At the current pace of our trade deficit, federal deficit and annual budget deficit, an economic collapse is imminent that will make the last 6 months seem like nothing. Then and ONLY then will this force Americans to re-evaluate how our government has been run for the last 20-30 years. All politicians are blind to the REAL problems this country is facing.
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by skyk-2009 June 30, 2009 2:42 PM EDT
The Confederate Party should be REAL careful on this... the Democrats have an ACE in the hole.. a VERY big ACE in the whole, the PRESIDENT. I wouldn't want to gamble my political future against this Man... NO WAY!
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by tincup356 June 30, 2009 2:38 PM EDT
They should ALL worry about their jobs. BOTH parties are in conspiracy with corporate America to destroy the middle class,,,,,,,,Americans better wake up and see that NEITHER party represents the people,,,,,,,they have harloted out their representation to the highest bidder,,,,,they brag about giving Bernie 150 years for running a ponzi scheme,,,,,BUT,,,,,what is Social Security?,,,,,It is the same type of ponzi scheme....but it is robbing every American citizen who works and pays into it. Members of congress have a lot of gall to blame the economic crisis we face on anyone except themselves,,,,the truth of the matter is,,,,they are BOTH guilty of lobby tainted legislation over the last 50 years that has led directly to the mess we face. The American people need to show these life time political crooks they are NOT too big to fall,,,,and be held responsible for the damage they have done,,,,They should ALL, BOTH parties and EVERY single lobbyists,,,,,be charged with HIGH TREASON.
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by bajabenedik-2009 June 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT
It doesn't matter whether you are a Democrat or a Republican, our politicians are painting as rosy a picture as possible on our economy just so they can stay in power. BOTH parties have contributed to the mess that we are currently in. Wall Street and the Fed Reserve is also to blame for putting our economy on the brink of collapse. We are no longer a manufacturing/exporting nation. We are a consumer/service based economy that will eventually collapse under the heavy weight of our trade deficit and federal deficit. Until, we as a country, get back to exporting goods and creating wealth within our own country, we are in for a VERY RUDE awakening. Time is running out. Time to start voting in politicians who have a grasp of economic principles.
by sly_64 June 30, 2009 2:31 PM EDT
Everyone in the country needs to be a member of GRIP. Get Rid of Incumbent Politicians . Vote them out each and every election. Sooner or later they will get the message.

Though some might disagree, it's generally accepted that the longer a politician stays in office, the less they concern themselves with the desires or wishes of their constituents and the more intrenched they become in the political machinery that runs on our tax dollars. It's no secret that a politician will say virtually anything, around election time, to stay in office and continue feeding from the government trough. However, as it has been noted too many times to count, as soon as they're back in power, all the promises they made seem to vanish into thin air or be excused away by bureaucratic gibberish that's about as transparent as wax paper.
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by skyk-2009 June 30, 2009 2:44 PM EDT
Oh come on! The Right starts this trash up every time they are out of power. Let's get on with what we KNOW we have to do. We can allow the Leaders of the Middle East to continue to Black Mail us or we can be American's and come up with better. It's up to us. One thing is certain IF we force Corporations to cut back on Pollution they are going to need equipment to stop that Pollution. That means JOBS right here in the Good Old USA!
by sly_64 June 30, 2009 2:49 PM EDT
The right isn't starting this up. The people are starting this up. You must also be feeding from the government trough. I'm too smart of a person to ever declare myself a demoCRAP or republiCON.
by skyk-2009 June 30, 2009 3:00 PM EDT
IF you believe the PEOPLE out here do NOT want to protect their environment and their families you must be a Cracker! No one I know is against this President or his Plan.
by sly_64 June 30, 2009 3:07 PM EDT
I'm not so much against the president as I am against what goes on in the government. If you think politicians think about what's good for the people you are blind. They think about how they can make money during and after their terms.
by bajabenedik-2009 June 30, 2009 3:29 PM EDT
We need term limits on our politicians period. This will get rid of the party power mentality.
by jojo9357-2009 June 30, 2009 5:02 PM EDT
What the hell is a CRACKER?
by bill517 June 30, 2009 2:22 PM EDT
Rohm Emanuel said it himself: Something like, "Never let a crisis go unused."
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by bill517 June 30, 2009 2:18 PM EDT
Global warming is a hoax invented to win a research grant. Misguided, well-meaning supporters have been hood-winked into the hoax. The ring-leaders see it as an opportunity to increase control and raise taxes. It is the modern-day equivalent of the boogyman, much like the USSR
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by skyk-2009 June 30, 2009 2:57 PM EDT
Now here you see the problem with the Confederate Party... they can't even agree if there IS a problem... even with the ICE MELTING in front of their Noses. IF we wait on these folks to protect our families and our futures it will be WAY to late. We can't wait, we must not wait. IF the President is Wrong, which I doubt, we have our OWN source for fuel and clean air. It this poor uneducated person is wrong, we are in REAL trouble... especially those who live on the coast or the Southwest.
by jojo9357-2009 June 30, 2009 5:00 PM EDT
skyk, how does America's clean up stop the ice melting? Does it control China and India? Beside the fact that the ice melts and reforms constantly.
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