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June 26, 2009 11:09 PM

EPA May Have Suppressed Report Skeptical Of Global Warming

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The Environmental Protection Agency may have suppressed an internal report that was skeptical of claims about global warming, including whether carbon dioxide must be strictly regulated by the federal government, according to a series of newly disclosed e-mail messages.

Less than two weeks before the agency formally submitted its pro-regulation recommendation to the White House, an EPA center director quashed a 98-page report that warned against making hasty "decisions based on a scientific hypothesis that does not appear to explain most of the available data."

The EPA official, Al McGartland, said in an e-mail message to a staff researcher on March 17: "The administrator and the administration has decided to move forward... and your comments do not help the legal or policy case for this decision."

The e-mail correspondence raises questions about political interference in what was supposed to be a independent review process inside a federal agency -- and echoes criticisms of the EPA under the Bush administration, which was accused of suppressing a pro-climate change document.

Alan Carlin, the primary author of the 98-page EPA report, told CBSNews.com in a telephone interview on Friday that his boss, McGartland, was being pressured himself. "It was his view that he either lost his job or he got me working on something else," Carlin said. "That was obviously coming from higher levels."

E-mail messages released this week show that Carlin was ordered not to "have any direct communication" with anyone outside his small group at EPA on the topic of climate change, and was informed that his report would not be shared with the agency group working on the topic.

"I was told for probably the first time in I don't know how many years exactly what I was to work on," said Carlin, a 38-year veteran of the EPA. "And it was not to work on climate change." One e-mail orders him to update a grants database instead.

For its part, the EPA sent CBSNews.com an e-mailed statement saying: "Claims that this individual’s opinions were not considered or studied are entirely false. This Administration and this EPA Administrator are fully committed to openness, transparency and science-based decision making. These principles were reflected throughout the development of the proposed endangerment finding, a process in which a broad array of voices were heard and an inter-agency review was conducted."

Carlin has an undergraduate degree in physics from CalTech and a PhD in economics from MIT. His Web site lists papers about the environment and public policy dating back to 1964, spanning topics from pollution control to environmentally-responsible energy pricing.

After reviewing the scientific literature that the EPA is relying on, Carlin said, he concluded that it was at least three years out of date and did not reflect the latest research. "My personal view is that there is not currently any reason to regulate (carbon dioxide)," he said. "There may be in the future. But global temperatures are roughly where they were in the mid-20th century. They're not going up, and if anything they're going down."

Carlin's report listed a number of recent developments he said the EPA did not consider, including that global temperatures have declined for 11 years; that new research predicts Atlantic hurricanes will be unaffected; that there's "little evidence" that Greenland is shedding ice at expected levels; and that solar radiation has the largest single effect on the earth's temperature.

If there is a need for the government to lower planetary temperatures, Carlin believes, other mechanisms would be cheaper and more effective than regulation of carbon dioxide. One paper he wrote says managing sea level rise or reducing solar radiation reaching the earth would be more cost-effective alternatives.

The EPA's possible suppression of Carlin's report, which lists the EPA's John Davidson as a co-author, could endanger any carbon dioxide regulations if they are eventually challenged in court.

"The big question is: there is this general rule that when an agency puts something out for public evidence and comment, it's supposed to have the evidence supporting it and the evidence the other way," said Sam Kazman, general counsel of the Competitive Enterprise Institute, a non-partisan think tank in Washington, D.C. that has been skeptical of new laws or regulations relating to global warming.

Kazman's group obtained the documents -- both CEI and Carlin say he was not the source -- and released the e-mails on Tuesday and the report on Friday. As a result of the disclosure, CEI has asked the EPA to re-open the comment period on the greenhouse gas regulatory proceeding, which ended on Tuesday.

The EPA also said in its statement: "The individual in question is not a scientist and was not part of the working group dealing with this issue. Nevertheless the document he submitted was reviewed by his peers and agency scientists, and information from that report was submitted by his manager to those responsible for developing the proposed endangerment finding. In fact, some ideas from that document are included and addressed in the endangerment finding."

That appears to conflict with an e-mail from McGartland in March, who said to Carlin, the report's primary author: "I decided not to forward your comments... I can see only one impact of your comments given where we are in the process, and that would be a very negative impact on our office." He also wrote to Carlin: "Please do not have any direct communication with anyone outside of (our group) on endangerment. There should be no meetings, e-mails, written statements, phone calls, etc."

One reason why the process might have been highly charged politically is the unusual speed of the regulatory process. Lisa Jackson, the new EPA administrator, had said that she wanted her agency to reach a decision about regulating carbon dioxide under the Clean Air Act by April 2 -- the second anniversary of a related U.S. Supreme Court decision.

"All this goes back to a decision at a higher level that this was very urgent to get out, if possible yesterday," Carlin said. "In the case of an ordinary regulation, these things normally take a year or two. In this case, it was a few weeks to get it out for public comment." (Carlin said that he and other EPA staff members asked to respond to a draft only had four and a half days to do so.)

In the last few days, Republicans have begun to raise questions about the report and e-mail messages, but it was insufficient to derail the so-called cap and trade bill from being approved by the U.S. House of Representatives.

Rep. Joe Barton, the senior Republican on the Energy and Commerce committee, invoked Carlin's report in a floor speech during the debate on Friday. "The science is not there to back it up," Barton said. "An EPA report that has been suppressed... raises grave doubts about the endangerment finding. If you don't have an endangerment finding, you don't need this bill. We don't need this bill. And for some reason, the EPA saw fit not to include that in its decision." (The endangerment finding is the EPA's decision that carbon dioxide endangers the public health and welfare.)

"I'm sure it was very inconvenient for the EPA to consider a study that contradicted the findings it wanted to reach," Rep. James Sensenbrenner, the senior Republican on the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming, said in a statement. "But the EPA is supposed to reach its findings based on evidence, not on political goals. The repression of this important study casts doubts on EPA's finding, and frankly, on other analysis EPA has conducted on climate issues."

The revelations could prove embarrassing to Jackson, the EPA administrator, who said in January: "I will ensure EPA’s efforts to address the environmental crises of today are rooted in three fundamental values: science-based policies and programs, adherence to the rule of law, and overwhelming transparency." Similarly, Mr. Obama claimed that "the days of science taking a back seat to ideology are over... To undermine scientific integrity is to undermine our democracy. It is contrary to our way of life."

"All this talk from the president and (EPA administrator) Lisa Jackson about integrity, transparency, and increased EPA protection for whistleblowers -- you've got a bouquet of ironies here," said Kazman, the CEI attorney.
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by blinda123 November 16, 2009 2:01 AM EST
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by wmb1957 August 25, 2009 11:50 PM EDT
The writer of the report has 40 years experience, quite a bit of it in this type of work. That does speak volumes on his knowledge on the subject, it is way more then a college degree.

I am particulary concerned about the idea that the administration might remove this agency from providing its reports on pertainent issues in the future to avoid views contrary to the administrations policies.

It isn't worth funding science if the science is going to be inhibitied by politics, then its not science, its politics.
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by skjhovhaosihg August 14, 2009 10:45 PM EDT
I trust some one to do a study who isn't looking to fund a grant based on the outcome of the study! I have a Phd in Environmental Science and can PROVE just as well that global warming is not happening as I can prove that it is not man-made! But then again if my funding ran out I could PROVE that it is warming and it is caused by YOU! Who's writing the check????
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by louatsea July 22, 2009 3:26 PM EDT
Thank you EnvEngineer for your July 08, 2009 comments and valuable tutorial. To a layman on this issue like me, you provided more real enlightment, and made more sense, in that one blog entry than did all the other 421 comments combined. Can you recommed one book, pamphlet, article, etc. which I can readily obtain that parallels your entry. I would like to provide a copy to those who make policy on this issue. To the rest of the blog commentators I can only say - Shut up, listen to EnvEngineer and stop being enamored of your voices.
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by SmokyMtnCarpenter July 11, 2009 5:09 PM EDT
Show me the money.

Who are the major economic beneficiaries of denying global warming? To ask the question is to answer it: fossil fuel producing giant conglomerates who have poured millions of dollars into the denial industry.

As a recent survey, showed, 97 per cent of climatologists except the reality of global warming.

The uproar over the so-called suppressed Carlin report is purely contrived. Carlin is an economist who received an undergraduate degree in physics more than fifty years ago. He has been part of the global warming deniers camp for years. His work--much of which is perilously close to the publications of oil industry hacks--has been thoroughly discredited by climatologists who have examined the hastily thrown together pastiche of blog quotes, studies that never passed peer review and (in one case) the meanderings of an astrologist. It's pathetic and would never have been even noticed were it not for the political advantages to wingnuts like Senator Inhofe and Faux News. What is depressing is to see CBS, a once proud news source, simply passing along plainly erroneous information (such as the absurd and inaccurate statement that the earth has been cooling for the past 11 years.) See:
http://hadobs.metoffice.com/hadcrut3/diagnostics/comparison.html
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by vpierce9 July 4, 2009 9:08 PM EDT
The bottom line:
1. Global Warming is a "hypothis" not a fact.
2. There are many "experts" on both sides of the argument.
3. That the planet is even getting warmer has not yet been
proven.

And then the next question that has not been answered is: "Is human activity a contributing factor to global warming?? Unfortunately, those on the "warming" side of the argument are attempting to use politics to shut down the debate.

China is building dozens of coal fired electrical power plants and is forecasted, within 10 years, to be producing more CO2 than all of North America and Europe Combined! Will this draconian "Cap and Trade", "Cap and Tax" (call it what you like), the largest tax in the history of mankind, actually cool the planet even 1/10 of one degree? Are there more effective and less costly things that could be done?

Before we dystroy our economy (further), send millions of jobs abroad, and eliminate the ability of U.S. industry to compete, we need some clarity on all of those questions. China, India, Brazil, etc., etc., are not planning on taxing themselves into oblivion. Maybe we should slow down a look more carefully at the issues.

Please, stop with the name calling, and the "my credentials are better than yours" tactics! It will not get us any closer to the truth.
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by tc1003 July 3, 2009 4:33 PM EDT
I find it very interesting that so many of the comments from those who support the "Global Warming" caused by man hysteria, attack the bearer of the news they don't want to hear rather than confront the reality of the EPA emails suppressing a dissenting opinion. Apparently EPA scientists are only allowed to agree with Al Gore, and it's legitimate to suppress any dissenting views. If this sort of thing had happened during the Bush Administration it would have been front page news in every newspaper. I congratulate CBS for being one of the few media outlets to expose this travesty by EPA.
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by metnav July 2, 2009 7:33 PM EDT
Carlin is critisized for not being a "scientist" but Al Gore gets to testify before Congress??? The Manmade Global Warming/Climate Change lies are old and they don't tell them well anymore.
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by Rockyfromcali July 2, 2009 7:24 PM EDT
This of course is a classic among those of us who question the models of the AGW movement...

http://mars.jpl.nasa.gov/mgs/newsroom/20050920a.html

...the best part is where NASA's press realease states...

"And for three Mars summers in a row, deposits of frozen carbon dioxide near Mars' south pole have shrunk from the previous year's size, suggesting a climate change in progress."

I did a google search (I know, not the most scholarly of methods)...and did not find anyone debunking NASA's statement here...hmmmphh.
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by ubrew12 July 2, 2009 10:30 PM EDT
Three whole years! And HOW many weather stations are on Mars, and HOW many climatologists are studying its weather? What I find amazing is you deniers will reach past the THOUSANDS of scientists studying planet earth, and pretty much in unison crying that AGW is real and could be dangerous, and latch onto a SINGLE data point from MARS!! 'Sorry, all that AGW data on Earth is wrong. No warming here. Ahhh, but MARS!!! Thats another matter' LOL.
by nazdackster July 2, 2009 11:08 PM EDT
ubrew12, just want to make sure you understand. Even though several data sets are corrupt, there IS evidence of warming on earth, at least until 1998 or so. It's mild, and it's related to solar, and possibly even CO2. CO2 increases SHOULD increase earth's temperature slightly, but it is a bit player at best, and just isn't up to the task given water vapor's overwhelming role as the major greenhouse gas and its overlapping absorption pattern with CO2. Further, the idea that there is a net positive feedback that is going to somehow amplify CO2's effect has been shown over and over to be false. How many times must one show that convection is the major driver of heat transport to space (which is a HUGE negative feedback)? No matter what the models say, if the actual earth (um, where I live) refuses to cooperate, it's back to the drawing board. At least that's how it works in any scientific field OUTSIDE of climatology. Why is that? Hmmm?
by Rockyfromcali July 3, 2009 12:07 AM EDT
Did I say there was no warming here?

If there is warming on Earth...Mars...Jupiter...and apparently other planets...could it be that maybe the cause is not something that man is doing...or do you think that SUVs on earth are affecting other planets too?
by Rockyfromcali July 2, 2009 7:04 PM EDT
The below link is not evidence for or against AGW...it is just weather....but it is interesting. I especially love the fact that the North Pole recording station is drifting.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/25/arctic-temperature-is-still-not-above-0°c-the-latest-date-in-fifty-years-of-record-keeping??/

Now before someone employs the normal "exxon" talking point...yes...D'Aleo has connections with Exxon...but what he has typed here is either factually correct or it isn't. If you have more correct information, please post it.
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by metnav July 2, 2009 5:44 PM EDT
Even ten years ago, if I had suggested that the majority party?s proposed bill would be withheld from the minority party two hours from the vote ? and then one copy was grudgingly provided, to be shared by all 435 Representatives , you would have looked at me like I was a crazy person??.

Well that?s exactly what happened this past Friday when Congress voted on and passed the infamous HR 2454 Cap and Trade/Carbon Emissions Bill. Final vote: 219 Yea, 212 Nay. A little after 3 am on that very same day a 300 page amendment was added to the original 900+ pages. This is the longest suicide note in history and will further hasten our downward economic spiral. The Senate looks to debate it this Fall where it will likely get nowhere. Friday?s vote may have been a gift to the POTUS for the upcoming UN meeting knowing there?s little chance of it getting thru the Senate. Before Friday?s vote I made my feelings known to our Democratic Congressman. I see he voted No but I?ve no idea what his real motivation was. Some that voted Yes received calls 20:1 urging a No vote and they still voted Yes.

This is about more than just higher electricity rates. It?s a massive redistribution of wealth, further limits our freedoms all under the guise of reducing an essential trace greenhouse gas, and does next to nil for energy independence. This Manmade Global Warming/Climate Change House Of Cards is tumbling down. Every week more and more new contrary evidence is seeing the light of day. The Mainstream Media won?t report it, but this vital information is getting out to those that want honest debate on this important issue.

Looking past the Senate this Fall we have the December Copenhagen UN meeting on a new Global Warming Treaty. Remember the Kyoto Treaty? Well you ain?t seen nothing yet. I shudder to think what the U.S. delegation would love to commit us to for years or decades forward. Lastly there?s the EPA waiting in the wings to regulate all things CO2. Just this past week a leaked string of internal EPA e-mails detailed suppression of evidence that undermines the CO2 argument.

Remember Friday?s vote, because if this horror show is implemented on the American public it will blow up in our face as it has in every country this has been tried. At what cost in dollars and individual freedoms? Mark your calendar in RED, because that is the path we are heading toward. Contact your Senators and ask them if they?re prepared to defend a Yes vote for this misguided Bill. Let them know a NO Vote will ensure your support next election cycle.
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by Rockyfromcali July 2, 2009 4:02 PM EDT
This article, and this entire discussion is directly tied to the events that continue to play out in D.C. with the Waxman-Markey Bill. I challenge anyone to explain how it is proper and necessary to pass any law that was rushed to the House so quickly, and read by so few (some would contend that it was read by nobody), that Sec. 788 was allowed to stand as it was passed?

If you don't know what Sec. 788 of the bill is...you need to learn. This is important and damning.

The argument that "Something must be done, even if it is not perfect" has been exposed as a strawman...and this really takes it to a new level.
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by EdinKansas July 2, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
No surprise! The EPA has systematically suppressed all reports that: 1) do not support the political agenda of the EPA administrator and his upper level minions, and, 2) would lesson EPA's control and therefore funding and size. I am a retired environmental scientist that saw this first hand for the last 20 years. Until Americans wake up and realize the EPA sells fear in order to grow and perpetuate their`swollen bureaucracy, we will continue to pay for their misguided and self-serving interests. The planet is not at risk from CO2!
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by ubrew12 July 2, 2009 3:42 PM EDT
Company records show that Exxon-Mobil handed over hundreds of thousands of dollars to Climate Change Denial lobby groups in 2008. These include the National Center for Policy Analysis (NCPA) in Dallas, Texas, which received $75,000, and the Heritage Foundation in Washington DC, which received $50,000.

According to Bob Ward, policy and communications director at the Grantham Research Institute on Climate Change and the Environment, at the London School of Economics, both the NCPA and the Heritage Foundation have published "misleading and inaccurate information about climate change."

Meanwhile, an Exxon spokesman said: "Only ExxonMobil speaks for ExxonMobil and our position on climate change is clear. We have the same concerns as people everywhere, and that is how to provide the world with the energy it needs while reducing greenhouse gas emissions. We take the issue of climate change seriously and the risks warrant action."
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by Rockyfromcali July 2, 2009 5:38 PM EDT
Hundreds of thousands of dollars!

The much heralded James Hansen received $250,000 from the Heinz foundation in 2001 (and then endorsed John Kerry in 2004...while working for the Bush WH...and somehow they did nothing to silence his endorsement of Kerry) (Source-http://www.gsfc.nasa.gov/news-release/releases/2001/01-20.htm)...and then received a 1 million dollar "prize" (the source I am using put the quotes there...so I thought it should be likewise in my post)
(Source-http://www.dandavidprize.org/index.php/laureates/laureates-2007/60-2007-future-quest-for-energy/79-james-hansen.html)...
by ubrew12 July 2, 2009 10:27 PM EDT
Hansen gets a prize for being a good scientist and you figure he's on the take??

Exxon doesn't send money to NCPA and Heritage Foundation out of altruism. Those aren't awards Exxon is paying, they are salaries.
by Rockyfromcali July 3, 2009 12:05 AM EDT
So let me get this straight...if private industry funds research...it automatically corrupts the data...but if Hansen, who has been derided by people in his own agency for his hysterical pronouncements that go well beyond what the data indicated....it is okay if he received massive amounts of money...and then just happens to publicly endorse the man whose foundation gave him money?

Wow...I am guessing that you also think it is okay to give Al Gore the Nobel prize (with a huge prize) even though his movie was riddled with errors and many of his claims were simply unfounded or overblown.

You also realize that you are on one hand claiming that scientist who argue for AGW...and are either rewarded or paid for their research are honest brokers (because of course scientist cannot be corrupted), but those whose research contradicts AGW claims are, de facto, corrupt.

If their science is wrong that should be fairly easy to prove...would you mind providing proof of such? Dismissing them without taking on the results of their research, while typical, is intellectually dishonest.
by EdinKansas July 2, 2009 3:36 PM EDT
No surprise! The EPA has systematically suppressed all reports that: 1) do not support the political agenda of the EPA administrator and his upper level minions, and, 2) would lesson EPA's control and therefore funding and size. I am a retired environmental scientist that saw this first hand for the last 20 years. Until Americans wake up and realize the EPA sells fear in order to grow and perpetuate their`swollen bureaucracy, we will continue to pay for their misguided and self-serving interests. The planet is not at risk from CO2!
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by neilrieck July 2, 2009 1:59 PM EDT
This story "as presented" seems troublesome. However, the supporting documents came from an organization named "Competitive Enterprise Institute".

According to Wikipedia, this is a libertarian think which has received funds in the past from companies like Exxon.

Shame on you CBS News! You are becoming as politically biased as FOX News. (p.s. Only Canada, Australia, and the US have made climate change a political item. This has not happened anywhere else in the world.)
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by nazdackster July 2, 2009 2:58 PM EDT
No, the supporting documents come from an organization named "Environmental Protection Agency", who would not release the report, which is why it is now hosted at CEI. Perhaps you think CEI has done a disservice by bringing out the truth? If you would prefer, I could post a copy at my website. Will that make you feel better?
by Rockyfromcali July 2, 2009 3:56 PM EDT
This is the standard tactic of attacking contrarian information in the AGW debate...just claim it is the "evil oil companies"...Oil companies are also, if you do the research, putting money into the pockets of those that are making the AGW debate. Additionally, AGW supporting scientists and lobbying groups get much larger sums from solar, biodiesel, natural gas, geothermic, and wind companies....hmmm...I wonder why no one questions the fact that the Pro-AGW groups are funding at far high levels by companies with a vested interest in pushing the AGW meme.

Let the debate continue, and let the science, not the rhetoric determine the outcome of the debate.
by comfortmd1 July 2, 2009 10:50 AM EDT
the stupid thing about the memo author is that his "scientific evidence" is based on the lowest levels of the atmosphere, when the entire atmospheric envelope is concerned, temperatures have risen 8(?) degrees. the report was quashed because it wasn't based on reality. and yes. he is a shill for the coal industry
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by Rockyfromcali July 2, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
8 degrees?

Ummm..

"All the world's meteorological and climatic centres agree that global surface temperatures have risen by about 0.6ºC over the past 100 years."

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/info/warming/
by nazdackster July 2, 2009 11:07 AM EDT
A shill for the coal industry? Prove it. Or should I have Mr. Carlin's lawyers contact you directly?
by nazdackster July 2, 2009 11:25 AM EDT
Thanks Rocky. Alarmists have to develop entirely new and unfamiliar temperature scales to support their position, as you have just witnessed. Even the figure you quote is in dispute.

In the case if GISTemp, it is looking more and more like the surface data is so corrupted that even the recent warming trend may be entirely the result of "corrections" Hansen has applied to the data set. Time of observation, siting, removal of UHI adjustments, and now the HUGE impact of station dropout have all conspired to render the data set useless. Would you trust this data? I wouldn't touch it with a 10 foot pole:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/06/28/an-australian-look-at-ushcn-20th-century-trend-is-largely-if-not-entirely-an-artefact-arising-from-the-%e2%80%9ccorrections%e2%80%9d/
by nazdackster July 2, 2009 10:36 AM EDT
Another new report supporting Svensmark's Cosmic Ray modulation theory. The theory is that low solar cycles (like the one we are in which is the lowest since the early 1800's) produce low solar wind, which then deflects fewer galactic cosmic rays. More cosmic rays leads to higher cloud seeding and higher albedo, producing cooler temperatures. The reverse is also true, when the sun is active (it was abnormally active during the entire last warming period), more solar wind reduces GCR's, leading to lower cloud seeding, lower albedo, and higher temperatures as we have witnessed. The effect amplifies the normal TSI variation, which by itself is quite small and cannot account for the temperature swings alone. Add the GCR amplifying effect, and guess what, solar and temperatures snap into place. The mechanism is described here and is just one more dagger in the heart of the AGW alarmists:

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/07/01/message-in-the-cloud-for-warmists-the-end-is-near/
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by ubrew12 July 2, 2009 4:44 PM EDT
What happens to your theory when the solar cycle returns to normal?
by nazdackster July 2, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
ubrew12, if it wasn't obvious from my post, the natural cycles will simply continue as usual. My point was, that with this GCR / solar magnetic field / solar wind / earth temperature amplifying relationship, the idea that solar variation is not enough to explain earth's temperature cycles is now put to rest. Solar behavior is still so poorly understood that virtually all models attempting prediction of future solar activity fail. The particular minimum we are in now is an excellent example, and explains falling temperatures, and cold weather records falling by the dozens lately. NASA has been trying to predict when the uptick in solar activity will happen and so far has done nothing but regularly extend their guess. We are still in a deep minimum, and really, it's anyone's guess when activity will start to ramp up. There is a potential for this cycle to be much like the Maunder or Dalton minimums, as it is already the longest in 180 years. If this happens, solar cycles will tend to be weak for several 11 and 22 year cycles after that, which is why you often year about cooling until 2030 to 2040. My own model prediction based on ocean cycles and "regular" solar cycles is cooling until 2038, then back to a warming phase.

The other interesting fact is that solar activity during the alleged period of rapid CO2 and temperature growth was also abnormally high for several cycles. But if you measure just TSI, there is not enough difference to explain the higher temps. Now with the GCR link to cloud effects and albedo, less GCR's during that period led to fewer clouds and a darker / more absorptive planet, which does explain the temperature increase (which is exceedingly small anyway). Read up dude, the truth is out there for everyone to see.
by ribbie149 July 1, 2009 10:42 PM EDT
I'll tell you what, when the polar ice cap disappears by the summer of 2025 and sea levels start to rise so your fat-cat REPUBLICAN'T beach houses are flooded, then come to me with quotes from an ECONOMIST which are counter to 90% of the views held by the scientific community and tell me how much better it made you feel. If there is even a CHANCE (90% is pretty good one) that man is exacerbating a warming trend which will have disastrous effects for our children and grandchildren, shouldn't we DO something about it? We have to end our dependence on oil and coal soon ANYWAY. Isn't this a good time and an even better excuse to start doing so NOW. What we will probably do is let the Grand Oil Party water down the energy and climate bills in the name of economics so that we will bequeath a world to our heirs that they will curse us for.
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by cydygitt1 July 2, 2009 9:39 AM EDT
Why do CONServitards fail to conserve even one thing, and always attack any type of renewable energy by supporting BIG OIL?
by nazdackster July 2, 2009 10:53 AM EDT
Thank you for demonstrating how feeble the alarmist position is. Polar ice cap disappears by 2025? Hilarious. Where did you get that one, bugs bunny? (sorry bugs).

The 90% figure you quote is amazingly flawed. I want you to explain this progression to me:

A CONSENSUS OF ONE:
The IPCC's Climate Change 1995 was reviewed by its consulting scientists in late 1995. The "Summary for Policy Makers" was approved in December, and the full report, including chapter 8, was accepted. However, after the printed report appeared in May 1996, the scientific reviewers discovered that major changes had been made "in the back room" after they had signed off on the science chapter's contents. Santer, despite the shortcomings of the scientific evidence, had inserted strong endorsements of man-made warming in chapter 8 (of which he was the IPCC-appointed lead author):

There is evidence of an emerging pattern of climate response to forcing by greenhouse gases and sulfate aerosols ... from the geographical, seasonal and vertical patterns of temperature change. ... These results point toward a human influence on global climate. [ch.8 p.412]

The body of statistical evidence in chapter 8, when examined in the context of our physical understanding of the climate system, now points to a discernible human influence on the global climate. [ch.8 p.439]

Santer also deleted these key statements from the expert-approved chapter 8 draft:

* "None of the studies cited above has shown clear evidence that we can attribute the observed [climate] changes to the specific cause of increases in greenhouse gases."
* "While some of the pattern-base studies discussed here have claimed detection of a significant climate change, no study to date has positively attributed all or part [of the climate change observed] to [man-made] causes. Nor has any study quantified the magnitude of a greenhouse gas effect or aerosol effect in the observed data - an issue of primary relevance to policy makers."
* "Any claims of positive detection and attribution of significant climate change are likely to remain controversial until uncertainties in the total natural variability of the climate system are reduced."
* "While none of these studies has specifically considered the attribution issue, they often draw some attribution conclusions, for which there is little justification."
* "When will an anthropogenic effect on climate be identified? It is not surprising that the best answer to this question is, `We do not know. "'

Santer single-handedly reversed the "climate science" of the whole IPCC report--and with it the global warming political process. The "discernible human influence" supposedly revealed by the IPCC has been cited thousands of times since in media around the world and has been the "stopper" in millions of debates among nonscientists.

Now, more than a decade of cooling later, how does this criminally flawed conclusion become "unequivocal", when virtually all evidence refutes CO2 as a cause and supports natural variation?

I'll wait right here... Thanks.
by Rockyfromcali July 2, 2009 4:30 PM EDT
I don't know if you could get rid of the polar ice caps by 2025 if you gave the population of Poland blowtorches and dropped them at Kaffeklubben.
by ubrew12 July 2, 2009 4:45 PM EDT
You guys should hold an NCPA convention here, and toast Exxon for me while you're at it.
by Rockyfromcali July 2, 2009 5:19 PM EDT
...and the kneejerk reaction follows...if you can't make your argument with facts...just bring up Exxon, and everything will be okay.

It really is the security blanket of the AGW movement.

Would it be okay to bring up 20 million from the Mitchell Endownment? How about GE...BP...Duke Energy? How about Exelon?

Have you researched at all who is providing the funding for those who continue to attempt to build a case for AGW?
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