World Watch
June 4, 2009 8:59 AM

There Was No "Tiananmen Square Massacre"

This story was filed by CBS News correspondent Richard Roth, who was detained by Chinese authorities for 20 hours on June 4, 1989, while covering the Tiananmen Square "crackdown".
(AP (file))
For years now (certainly by the time of the 10th anniversary of Tiananmen) scholars — and many journalists — have been describing it as a weekend massacre, a massacre in Beijing, the "Beijing massacre" or the "crackdown" in Tiananmen, but not a "Tiananmen Square massacre."

"Tiananmen massacre" is a phrase that still has currency, but it does tend to be used a lot less now in careful accounts of what happened there.

Behind this is the weight of eyewitness accounts, de-classified Western government reports, and historians' work that supports the story of a brief period of negotiation between the army and some student hold-outs (there weren't all that many left in the square by then) when troops began entering the square in force just before dawn -- silencing the public address system loudspeakers with a volley of gunfire. The last group of protestors filed out of the square to the south soon after.

I was being held captive by Chinese army troops on the south portico of the Great Hall of the People (which forms one of the borders of the Square) when that round of gunfire occurred.

I could hear it but I could not see into the Square. Around forty minutes later, Derek Williams and I were driven in a pair of army jeeps right through the square, almost along its full length, and into the Forbidden City.

Dawn was just breaking. There were hundreds of troops in the square, many sitting cross-legged on the pavement in long curving ranks, some cleaning up debris. There were some tanks and armored personnel carriers. But we saw no bodies, injured people, ambulances or medical personnel — in short, nothing to even suggest, let alone prove, that a "massacre" had recently occurred in that place.

Later, being debriefed on-air by Dan Rather, I recall making an effort to avoid using the word "massacre." I referred to an "assault" and an "attack."

I reported what I saw; I said I hadn't seen any bodies. Admittedly, I've never made a point of trying to contradict a colleague on the air; I've simply stuck to my own story, because I've believed it's true.

Some have found it uncomfortable that all this conforms with what the Chinese government has always claimed, perhaps with a bit of sophistry: that there was no "massacre in Tiananmen Square."

But there's no question many people were killed by the army that night around Tiananmen Square, and on the way to it — mostly in the western part of Beijing. Maybe, for some, comfort can be taken in the fact that the government denies that, too.
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by rtkw09 June 13, 2009 6:46 AM EDT
I am gratified to read this honest report by Richard Roth, which actually accords with what patchy facts we have of that event. I also note with some dismay the cognitive dissonance evident in the blogs?.showing how difficult it is to dislodge a powerful myth, once it is established in receptive minds, even when it is contradicted by evidence, or the lack of it. Reminds me of the ongoing Loch Ness Monster story. But that?s how myths can become history.

I have followed reports of this so-called ?massacre? from the start here in the UK, and the BBC reports like Kate Adie?s have been mountains of confabulation and hype with little real susbstance. It?s not just the more truthful accounts of other reporters like Roth which expose the disinformation, but the elephant in the room is that there was ZERO camera footage of any massacre, in circumstances when the evidence from the news cameras present in the square should have been overwhelming.

Concerning the injured and dead which were evident in the news footage and mentioned by Roth, consider this. There have been reports that the PLA soldiers were under strict orders NOT to shoot civilians, even under provocation. So the alarming bursts of automatic fire we did hear( but not see) in the news clips may well have been firing over the heads of remaining protestors to drive them off the Square. That the troops have been firing high fits with the pockmark damage observed high up on surrounding buildings and the arching tracers seen in some news clips. But what happens when the high-velocity AK bullets fall to Earth, hundreds of yards away from the scene? This may account for the many casualties amongst innocent bystanders far down surrounding streets, away from the square itself. The PLA was untrained and unequipped for crowd control, and by using live ammo, may not have foreseen the consequences from the spent bullets farther afield.

And that famous tank incident, with the lone protester? Would that guy be so confidently dancing in front of the tanks with his shopping bags, had they really just been crushing his friends? And would those tanks be trying so hard to NOT flatten him, trying desperately to steer around him? Amazing how excited and emotive reporting can override and shape our perceptions. It?s not just the Chinese people who have been vulnerable to brainwashing and propaganda.
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by rtkw09 August 18, 2009 2:11 PM EDT
It may interest your readers to know that I submitted a formal protest to BBC TV regarding Kate Adie?s June 3rd program on the so-called TienAnMen Square ?Massacre?.

I complained about the BBC allowing its good name to be used as a platform for disinformation over the so-called TienAnMen Square ?Massacre? of 20 years ago. The dissonance between the visual evidence and John Simpson and Kate Adie?s reports was evident even then to the careful observer, and I made my first complaint to the BBC back in 1989, to no avail. Twenty years on, the continuing lack of first hand evidence for the claimed massacre, in circumstances where that evidence should have been overwhelming, is damning. On the other hand, there is now quite enough information in the public domain?. from independent witnesses and from reports like Roth?s?.. to warrant a serious questioning of the so-called ?first-hand? story broadcast by Adie & Co from Beijing in 1989, and to construct alternative scenarios which better fit the evidence. The same old blatant hypnotic suggestion and repetition and posturing is no longer good enough. The sobering thought is how easy and effective this simple tactic has worked in making the world see and believe in something which probably was never there.

My complaint was submitted on June 8th, and to date, more than two months on and in spite of a couple of complaints, I have yet to receive a word of reply from the BBC on the matter, which is in breach of their own protocol in the BBC complaints website. That a straight-forward challenge for plain evidence for the claimed dramatic event, which should have been there in the very first place, should result in such a prolonged silence is itself thought-provoking. I continue to await a response.
by mnbrant June 8, 2009 3:05 AM EDT
Yeah the day Tiananmen Square hit I was off searching for dishware and with a twinge of guilt bought some that said "made in China". I managed a store at the time that was selling some 4th of July stuff and when a couple was going to buy some I said you know that is made in China probably by some slave kids. After a bit of hemming and hawing they bought it. They knew a good deal when they saw one. I do like that labor rights are starting to enter into the chinese system. I do hope things continue to improve their.
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by KingSkibo June 5, 2009 11:41 AM EDT
Oh noes!!11!1 This is outrageous. Something should be done about this...you know like exporting more US wealth and jobs to China, yeah that's will work. Keep buying those products made by Chinese prisoners folks.
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by voxpopulus June 4, 2009 6:21 PM EDT
So, Richard Roth didn't get the story. Lucky that BBC reporters like Kate Adie did.
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by OneLifetime June 4, 2009 3:29 PM EDT
It's scary how most chinese people living in china are so brainwashed by the CCP's propaganda. I have a chinese friend, born and brought up outside china, who went back to visit family several years ago and she has this story of how when she asked her young college-going cousin about the tiananmen masacre, he said it didn't occur. My friend said she was shocked and that she couldn't make her cousin believe otherwise. This is so scary! I think that the only way revolution of mind and practice would happen in china is when the chinese people are freed from all that propaganda, and that's probably the reason why the govt tries to control the media. Tiananmen massacre was+is a shame and it makes me cringe everytime I see the image of that brave and bold young man standing in front of those tanks.
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