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May 15, 2009 11:31 AM

The Democrats' Gun Dilemma

(CBS/AP)
By CBS News Correspondent Bob Fuss.

New legislation currently winding its way through Congress is forcing Democratic leaders to face the serious problem the party has when it comes to guns.

At the heart of the matter is the question of packing heat in Yellowstone.

The Senate voted overwhelmingly to attach an amendment to unrelated credit card legislation allowing people to carry guns in National Parks, something more liberal House Democratic leaders are determined to yank out of the bill.

A similar thing happened with the DC Voting Rights Bill passed earlier this year by the House and Senate. The measure, a priority of Democratic leaders and President Obama, would give voters in the District of Columbia a voting member of Congress for the first time since the federal district was created more than 200 years ago.

The Senate attached a provision to the bill wiping out virtually all local gun laws in the District. Outraged leaders in a city long plagued by violent crime were put in the position of having to give up the right to pass their own gun laws in exchange for voting rights in Congress.

The bill is now on hold because House leaders can’t figure out a way to get it passed without the gun provision. That is the crux of the Democrats' gun problem – those who oppose strict gun laws now have a clear majority in both the House and Senate.

Though battles over guns are often seen as a fight between liberals and conservatives, they actually break along geographic lines. People in cities and close-in suburbs, where guns are more likely to be used to rob a house then kill a wayward coyote, want more regulation. Those who live in rural areas and small towns oppose anything that might limit their right to carry a gun.

As Democrats have dramatically expanded their majority in the last two elections, they have been successful in areas where people like to hunt - which means that many new Democrats oppose strict gun laws. The trade-off for winning elections in places like Colorado, Idaho and Alaska is a party that cannot muster a majority against the positions of the National Rifle Association.
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by CraigBerkeley June 9, 2009 3:41 PM EDT
See what Gun Controller California and a lying California attorney, Gun Controller Steven T. Schoonover, and flip flopper James K. Olson did here to a Nevada citizen?s right to have a gun to protect herself after James K. Olson had broken into this Nevada citizen?s home! Gun Controllers Among Us, Marin County California Courts

Most liberal Gun Controller Marin County California has repeatedly thumbed their nose at the US Constitution, then imposed their illegal Gun Controller actions onto a Nevada citizen. What's next?

Lying California attorney, Steven T. Schoonover had the Nevada citizen served at 7:30 Thursday evening in Nevada for a 9 am the following Monday court in California and the California incompetent Gun Controller judge allowed that 1 day notice although illegal as have to be served more than 10 days before a hearing and furthermore it was to a Nevada citizen!

Three strikes you?re out lying California attorney, Gun Controller Steven T. Schoonover

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by billorights May 17, 2009 3:01 PM EDT
No one needs to carry a gun in a National Park.

For the record, I'm a pro-gun Democrat. I'm clean and sober, which means I haven't been a Republican in 12 years. - Posted by lmartink at 7:36 PM : May 16, 2009

You have no need to decide what anyone else might need.
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by Trust_me_ May 17, 2009 1:57 PM EDT
It is un american to tell someone he cant have a gun !
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by JimInHouston May 16, 2009 11:25 PM EDT
Imartink:
So the people that get killed or raped in those parks have no "need"?

Yes indeed, gun control (or an insistence on "need") is murder by proxy.
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by mattcat25 May 16, 2009 2:26 PM EDT
I gather here from what I've read here that the Right Wing has fostered (again) a false sense that the Democratic Party will take away their (beloved) Guns.

The Right Wing/NRA/Republican/BibleThumpers have been following this propaganda and have been hording ammunition creating a shortage and rationing.

Rationed ammunition has in turn fostered the impression that the new Presidential Administration is out to git their gunz!!

Republicans are so easlily coddled at from what I've been witnessing has finally worked in rallying the base of a very fragmented Politial Party.

The 2nd Amendment is not in jeopardy (as always) and, everyone needs to "hold their fire".

The NRA and Gun Lobby in Washingtion needs to be holstered.
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by globalcoolin May 16, 2009 2:24 PM EDT
Gun control appeals to people who believe a violent criminal is NOT REALLY a violent criminal--but just mis-understood or had a bad life is all.
The same people who don't believe a violent terrorist is NOT REALLY out to kill Americans and Westerners-- but people from just another culture supirior to ours in many ways, who have been provoked. Hope Obama's apologies help!
A reflexive dismissive impulse so that no one is particularly good, or especially bad! everyone is equally A COMRAD!
Unless they are not A COMRAD!
In which case you are a hatefull, warmonger,homophobic, bigoted, racist........

Well. I'm not a comrad--and do understand violent criminals have no business being at large in our society and tough enforcemnt of the law is required! and that terrorist are really out to murder people. And neither are my comrads! And never will be!
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by billorights May 16, 2009 11:57 AM EDT
caused by guns in the hands of not just criminals but by the distraught; by youth who find them eveywhere; even a VP who can't shoot his mighty gun straight. -
Posted by oshea43 at 10:19 PM : May 15, 2009

Distraught, aka "mentally ill", who are already precluded from purchase or possession of guns, as well as "youth" and several classes of convicted criminals.

These laws already exist. They just need to be enforced.

Crimes, accidents and tragedies are not caused by guns.
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by midlclass May 16, 2009 10:12 AM EDT
I'm a democrate and i don't have a gun deliemia. everybody should have at least a half dozen or more thats what keeps the politians in line, keeps me safe at night, and provides food for my family every year. the problem is when Illegal use and criminals use them as weapons against there fellow man. the criminal is what needs to be stopped not me or you the legal joe
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by Carl_in_Chicago May 16, 2009 10:10 AM EDT
"People in cities and close-in suburbs, where guns are more likely to be used to rob a house then kill a wayward coyote, want more regulation."

Here CBS fundamentally misunderstands again. The second amendment guarantee is not about hunting. People in cities and close-in suburbs use guns to protect themselves and their homes ... which is a far more important endeavor than "killing a wayward coyote." The core of the guarantee is defense of self, family, property, and community, and this guarantee arises from the natural right to self-preservation. That guns are useful to defedend against lions and tigers and bears may be true. But defense against offending criminal humans is what drives the right and what drives the guarantee.

The second amendment is not about hunting.
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by fcs25 May 16, 2009 10:06 AM EDT
Is gun control all the democratic party can think about?Forget the facts and just take away all guns from private citizens.What a bone headed philosophy.
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by Carl_in_Chicago May 16, 2009 10:05 AM EDT
Running commentary ...

"Outraged [DC] leaders were put in the position of having to give up the right to pass their own gun laws ..."

No government in DC or elsewhere has any right to pass gun laws. The people have the right to own and carry guns. The operative part of the second amendment ... the guarantee ... is that government is barred from infringing that right. The guarantee in the second amendment is not the establishment of a right to keep and bear arms. That right is pre-existing. The guarantee is that the right shall not be infringed.

That CBS and other news media so fundamentally misunderstand these issues is alarming to me.
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by Carl_in_Chicago May 16, 2009 10:00 AM EDT
The only "serious problem" the Democrats have with the "gun issue" is that they continue to pursue infringements upon the right of the people to keep and bear arms.

If the Democrats would simply drop all efforts and even their pretenses of pursuing gun control, there would be no problem.
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by Dgunner May 16, 2009 9:50 AM EDT
II carry any where and everywhere. I had rather be a live felon than a dead man who left his weapon at home when it was needed the most. People like me may very well be the person who saves your life because I chose to be armed when the gunman starts spraying a restaurant or church yard. My question is how many of you would donate to my defense?
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by hungry1968-15 May 16, 2009 9:16 AM EDT
gunownerdan = crackpot
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by summarex May 16, 2009 9:07 AM EDT
Two points

If you are going to be spending time in a national park you have to be armed in case you are attacked by a wild aninal or wild human.

As with lobbying, everyone agrees that the practice of attaching unrelated items to laws has to strop. But it never does. And you all keep voting the same bastards back into office every election.
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by oshea43 May 16, 2009 8:57 AM EDT
To jturskyenet-Great idea! Thanks! I bet others would do the same. I am not against guns. My son is a hunter-a responsible hunter. I have no problem with that. It is the insanity around those thinking the "right to bear arms" should follow no rules. We all need guidelines-especially when it comes to guns that can cause great carnage when in the wrong hands. The NRA has too much power with our politicians. They too need guidelines. They do more harm than good.
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by hungry1968-15 May 16, 2009 8:45 AM EDT
The whole idea of attaching issues to unrelated legislation needs to stop.

There should be separate legislation for guns, separate legislation for credit card regulations, separate legislation for Washington getting a congress person, etc, etc, etc.

This process is complete madness, and needs to stop.
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by Slrman May 16, 2009 6:08 AM EDT
Here in Brazil, private gun ownership is almost unknown. It is nearly impossible for a private citizen to get a perit to own any weapon, much less a handgun.

Yet, the traficantes (drug dealers) and other criminals have no problem getting any gun they want. Often, they have more and better weapons than the police. Obviously, gun laws are not the answer.

In the USA, an equitable solution would be to license the gun owner to own a weapon. You need a license to drive a car or fly a plane, why not to own a gun? True, it still would not keep guns away from criminals, but a decent licensing system might ensure that law-abiding people that own guns would have a level of knowledge and skill that could reduce gun accidents. What's bad about that?
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by juwboy May 16, 2009 5:12 AM EDT
hawksprings:

All the bank robbery laws in the world don`t stop criminals from robbing banks.

That`s why they`re called CRIMINALS.

So, let`s repeal all of the bank robbery laws.
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by hawksprings May 16, 2009 2:14 AM EDT
Why is it so hard for Liberals to understand that all the gun laws in the world won't stop criminals?
That's why they're called CRIMINALS.

Pass a law banning guns, and all that will happen is law-abiding citizens will turn in their guns, and CRIMINALS won't.

And it will be open season on an unarmed populace.
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