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May 12, 2009 3:06 AM

It's A Good Time To Work For Uncle Sam

(AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)


President Obama's call last year for "shared sacrifice" doesn't extend to federal employees, at least based on the details of his administration's 2010 budget released this week.

At a time when the official unemployment rate is nearing double digits, and 6.35 million people are receiving unemployment benefits, the U.S. government is on a hiring binge.

Executive branch employment — 1.98 million in 2009, excluding the Postal Service and the Defense Department — is set to increase by 15.6 percent for the 2010 fiscal year. Most of that is thanks to the Census Bureau hiring 102,000 temporary workers, but not counting them still yields a net increase of 2 percent in one year.

There's little belt-tightening in evidence in Washington, D.C.: Counting benefits, the average pay per federal worker will leap from $72,800 in 2008 to $75,419 next year.

Meanwhile, according to Forbes' layoff tracker, there have been 558,087 layoffs since November 2008 at large public companies; even local school districts aren't immune. That's just a sliver of the total unemployed, which government data estimate to be 8.6 percent of the workforce, or an alternate method of reckoning that counts discouraged workers puts at 20 percent.

Some of the Feds' hiring increases have been stunning. If you look at the four-year period from 2006 to 2010, the number of Homeland Security employees has grown by 22 percent, the Justice Department has increased by 15 percent, and the Nuclear Regulatory Commission can claim 25 percent more employees. (These figures assume that Congress adopts Mr. Obama's 2010 budget without significant changes.)

A 39-page "dimensions" document accompanying the White House's 1,380-page appendix offers justifications for each new hire. Homeland Security says its new employees will "increase border security." The Agency for International Development wants to improve "the management and stewardship of foreign assistance programs." The Smithsonian Institution wants "additional security guards." And so on.

The final evidence that it's a good time to have a .gov e-mail address? Civilian government employees are set to enjoy a 2 percent raise. Not only are private sector workers are struggling to keep their jobs, but their earnings are stagnating and pay cuts are no longer uncommon.
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by smlong_123 June 26, 2009 3:19 PM EDT
There's a new site giving advice about getting Government Jobs:

http://www.governmentjobadvice.com/

It's powered by the job site www.governmentsupportjobs.com
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by ThePRSF May 13, 2009 9:38 PM EDT
"If" government is the answer to our prayers (sorry, Leftists don't pray to God) but if government is the answrer, then more of it is better right? And if that is true, that means that the more the government grows and spends, the better it is for our naiton right? And since education, health care, welfare, housing, food, vehicles, etc. are all now "rights" that must be provided by the federal government, then why isn't every government on the planet as wealthy as we (once) were?

Why isn't Zimbabwe or Somali (or any other African country) as rich as the United States? What happened to Russia's big collapse at the end of the 80's? Not "enough" Barack Obama, big government "stimulus?"

Spending doesn't equal stimulus nor does it equal wealth, it's debt. Debt is not an asset on the balance sheet it's a liability.
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by my-comments May 13, 2009 4:54 PM EDT
The only people I see who are retired with a good income seems to be those who worked for the government. Everyone else has seen their retirements shrink up or go away, leaving only social security and the need to return to the workplace in some capacity. We may have finally reached the point where there are more people who ride on the wagon than those who have to pull it.
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by willcaine May 13, 2009 4:28 PM EDT
Can someone explain to me how/why we need or have had a 25% increase in the Nuclear Regulatory Commission? Based on what I know we haven't built a nuclear power plant in the U.S. in over 30 years. And as far as I know we haven't had a serious nuclear "incident" since the Love Canal.

In the real world where I live if responsibilities of a particular "job" haven't increased I just don't see hiring 25% more employees.

Please explain the logic.
Posted by minnkj at 12:44 PM : May 13, 2009

Love Canal was not a nuclear incident.
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by minnkj May 13, 2009 3:44 PM EDT
Can someone explain to me how/why we need or have had a 25% increase in the Nuclear Regulatory Commission? Based on what I know we haven't built a nuclear power plant in the U.S. in over 30 years. And as far as I know we haven't had a serious nuclear "incident" since the Love Canal.

In the real world where I live if responsibilities of a particular "job" haven't increased I just don't see hiring 25% more employees.

Please explain the logic.
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by kevintheelder May 13, 2009 9:07 AM EDT
The work force of the Federal Government comes from the US population. The pay of the federal workers are provided by We The People. Our average salary in private industry is $45,000 vs. the average salary of the government worker of $75,000. There is absolutely no reason that government shouldn't cut that average salary to LESS than $45,000. There are obviously more than enough qualified individuals working in private industry that would willing to take those jobs. It's grotesque that I have to pay someone $75,000 to perform a job that I myself perform in the private sector for which I'm paid only $45,000. And though that's a simplification, it's actually what is happening.
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by delsigne May 13, 2009 8:09 AM EDT
Just a note on Federal pay....Census workers get $10.25 per hour and 55 cents per mile.....when you have to stop/start your vehicle 100-150 times per day or leave it running...and get in and out of your vehicle that many times....it isn't hard to understand how it is hard to get Census workers......and they don't pay any expenses for vehicle breakdowns, etc. that is included in the 55 cents per mile. Maybe the overpaid federal workers should share???
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by mdrubush May 13, 2009 5:13 AM EDT
Welcome to the United States of Canada!!!
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by Randall6666 May 13, 2009 5:11 AM EDT
What can I say? As congress is pressing for tax increases for the population due to their passage and inept enforcement of the laws, rules, and regulations governing our country it seems they should share in the economic downturn just like all of us are doing!

As most retirement plans have decreases on average of 50% it seems only fair that congress and the remaining federal government reduce their salaries, expenses and staff (total government employees) 50% also!

Something has to be done and it is up to the public to start the ball rolling for fiscal reforms to government employee benefits and salaries.

Why should we pay this President and congress to make these types of mistakes?

So stop complaining and get the ball rolling! Contact your local churches, clubs, meetings, town halls, and especially your state congressmen and tell them you want to pass laws cutting back congressional salaries, staff members, allotments and expenses! Be sure to discuss this at your next tea party!

Please pass this to all of your e-mail contacts and post on as many political news agencies on the net as often as possible until changes are made!

If you are faint of heart, I would appreciate your moral support!
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by tpb-home May 13, 2009 3:12 AM EDT
fontbonne you are simply wrong.

Quote from article
"Counting benefits, the average pay per federal worker will leap from $72,800 in 2008 to $75,419 next year."

The average pay for all workers in the US is about $45,000 and that includes the overpaid government workers.

That means the average pay for the private sector is even less than $45,000, when government pay isn't included in the average.

I do agree that executives getting on average 400 times worker pay is obscene.
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by cyberties May 13, 2009 2:14 AM EDT
All of you discussing whether the pay is more or less than the pay of equivalent private sector jobs are completely missing the point. When you work for the government, it is very difficult to be fired for doing a mediocre to poor job; you can retire with FULL pay and be hired on as a consultant at 150% to 200% of your government pay; you have all the wonderful medical, dental and other health care benefits MY tax dollars can pay for. That is why people flock to these jobs. It ain't the pay its the perqs (pronounced "perks" - short for perquisites).
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by db-dawg May 13, 2009 12:46 AM EDT
"My father could support a stay at home mom with 3 kids.

--Posted by JediRockk"

Jedi, you are a fool. The reason you father could do this, is because prior to the Great Society in the 60s, the tax burden on Americans (federal, state, local), was uner 25%. Today that number is over 50%. I could support a wife and 3 kids if I could keep 75% of what I make. Sadly, there are people, like the president, who think I work to have my income redistributed to others. That is the problem, not the solution. Geet government out of the way, and people prosper.
I really don't want to work my private sector job, so government can tax it away, to make useless government jobs, for political payback.
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by fontbonne May 13, 2009 12:09 AM EDT
"We need federal, state and local laws that require government pay and benefits to be no larger on average than private sector pay and benefits. "

No law necessary. Government jobs inevitably and invariably pay less than their private-sector equivalents.
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by JediRockk May 12, 2009 11:55 PM EDT
Their pay in nothing in comparison as the outrages pay of corporate management, CEO's and Bankers. That a decent salary for any American and I fully support it. Our wages have been drowned out since Nixon's "wage" freeze. My father could support a stay at home mom with 3 kids. Now not even a two parent income can keep up. We lost the value of labor, human dignity and a decent days pay. Look at all the poverty in the richest country and all the inhumane crap that goes on here. The top 1% owning 50 percent of the countries wealth. Greed is sickening. "Labor is primary to capital for Labor creates capital." - Abraham Lincoln
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by westwxwoman May 12, 2009 11:31 PM EDT
One thing many people do not understand about working for Uncle is that all the less well paying jobs have basically been contracted out. It would blow many people's minds to find out how many federal workers there actually are - if you count the people who do contract work. For example, your Medicare reports come from a contractor. Your IRS forms are initially handle by contractors, and on and on. Even some airport's towers are operated by contractors. None of whom get counted in the federal employment numbers or pay average.

Leaving aside, as specified above, the Post Office and Dept. of Defense, most federal jobs remaining under the Civil Service pay umbrella are for specialists of one kind or another, or for people who can manage multi-million dollar contracts. Such people do not come cheap.

When I worked we had trouble recruiting the necessary specialists because they could get better money elsewhere. Well, the worm has wiggled a bit and now federal jobs for white collar specialists are attractive. Probably based on health insurance alone. Which, by the way, I understand many federal contractors do not provide.
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by Solarrays247 May 12, 2009 11:28 PM EDT
Federal employees typically make less than their private sector counterparts. The primary reason to work for the federal government is the job security and benefits, not the pay. As a person mentioned the salaries are not tied to a product they are tied to a service and of course they are not tied to profit, if these jobs were profitable they could be done by private companies instead of the government (that is part of the reason the jobs are done by government because they benefit society but do not generate any direct profit. That is kind of the point).
Posted by gsigas at 8:08 PM : May 12, 2009

I was recently approached by a young relative of mine seeking advice on whether to stick with his federal government position or go the private sector route. This young man has just earned his MBA and is continuing a rapid rise in his chosen field. He has been approached by headhunters from the private sector with offers that are much more lucrative in the short run. However, he has decided that because of the current economic uncertainties, he will stay put for the added job security that he currently enjoys.
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by Solarrays247 May 12, 2009 11:14 PM EDT
I'm a Federal employee, and I can guarantee that when I remind co-workers that it's the "taxpayers" money footing the bill, I get either a blank stare, a churlish smirk, or a hint of indignence. You better wake up people, you're being led by the nose...Americans being led by the nose by politicians! God help us.

Texas
Posted by vega4me at 7:16 PM : May 12, 2009


Unfortunately, I know first hand that what you have stated is true, and it has been going on for many, many years, not just recently. I learned first hand when I used to deal with several federal agencies. I made it my personal policy to always seek out the "workers" in each unit in order to have my business facilitated in a timely manner.
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by gsigas May 12, 2009 11:08 PM EDT
Federal employees typically make less than their private sector counterparts. The primary reason to work for the federal government is the job security and benefits, not the pay. As a person mentioned the salaries are not tied to a product they are tied to a service and of course they are not tied to profit, if these jobs were profitable they could be done by private companies instead of the government (that is part of the reason the jobs are done by government because they benefit society but do not generate any direct profit. That is kind of the point).
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by Solarrays247 May 12, 2009 11:04 PM EDT
Dang, that Obama is something else, ain't he?

Jeepers, he's only been in office since January 20, 2009, and all these high payin' govenenenenment jobs are his fault!!!

Everybody done get a raise on January 20, 2009, eh? WOW!!!!

Just sayin'..... :)
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by lagunagal May 12, 2009 10:42 PM EDT
This aint gonna fly.

In 41 months when a new administration takes over, so go these jobs with the majority of Americans blessing who don?t make half that. Obama is not doing anyone any good with this give away. He is hurting them because this simply can?t be sustained. The freeloaders will be looked upon like the CEO is now.

You elected a child people. Thank God mid terms are next year and the next election is in 38 months.
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