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December 22, 2008 7:01 PM

Obama Stimulus Package Could Grow To $850 Billion

Though President-elect Obama is taking some time off to spend with family and work on his golf game in Hawaii, CBS News correspondent Chip Reid reports that the president-elect's advisers are working overtime on a massive government spending plan that is getting bigger by the day.

Sources on Capitol Hill told Reid that the stimulus package could grow to at least $850 billion, which is about double the cost, in today's dollars, of the interstate highway system and more than the United States has spent on the Iraq war.

With consumers not spending, and more and more businesses laying off workers, some economists say there's no alternative.

"Government is the difference between a bad recession and very bad depression," Mark Zandi of Moody's told CBS News.

But deficit hawks on the Hill and some conservative economists argue that continuing to throw money at the economic meltdown will only make it worse.

"It didn't work the first time, it's not going to work this time," said J.D. Foster of the Heritage Foundation. "The only thing that it has in common is that it's going to leave us with a hangover."

Democratic leaders are hoping to move the stimulus package through Congress at rapid speed. They want to have it ready for Mr. Obama's signature about ten days after he's sworn in as president.

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by jt_lancer December 23, 2008 11:54 PM EST
Junipera1 - ''Are Americans not worth the investment?''

And where will this money come from? A magic government money tree? Government CANNOT ''invest'' ANYTHING without first disinvesting somewhere else (like the private sector).

Government cannot create wealth out of thin air.
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by jt_lancer December 23, 2008 11:52 PM EST
payasyougo - ''With that logic, how about make it 200 Trillion and we can all just retire.''

Exactly my point. It is a fraudulent scheme.

Government CANNOT magically help the economy with ''stimulus'' without DE-STIMULIZING the private sector from where the money comes.
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by payasyougo December 23, 2008 10:05 PM EST
"If $850 Billion in ''''government stimulus'''' will ''''help'''' the economy, why not make it $3 Trillion and REALLY help the economy."
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With that logic, how about make it 200 Trillion and we can all just retire.
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by junipera1 December 23, 2008 6:29 PM EST
Why was it OK for Bush to squander $800 billion at a whack on the war in Iraq, but no OK for Obama to spend a similar amount to jumpstart the US economy. Are Americans not worth the investment?
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by rwassel December 23, 2008 2:37 PM EST
First off, nowhere did he say that "balanced budgets are out the window". But he has taken the very realistic viewpoint that going from a deficit of almost a TRILLION DOLLARS (left behind by this administration) to a balanced budget or a surplus won''t happen overnight.

But you''re not even going to give him a chance to try. Sounds like you''ve already made up your mind about this administration, before it''s even began. How patriotic.
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by jt_lancer December 23, 2008 1:45 PM EST
rwassel - ''Give Obama some time to fix the last eight years of bloated spending and reckless behavior that has endangered our country.''

HOW? With more bloated spending and reckless behavior? Are you serious? He has already said that balanced budgets are out the window. What a freaking hypocrite.
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by rwassel December 23, 2008 1:37 PM EST
The Obama economic team has no idea how to grow the economy.They keep throwing money in the wrong direction."

Posted by jtmangum49

Really, professor? You talk like he''s already president, and has been for sometime. NEWSFLASH, Einstein: Bush is still in charge. Any money that has been thrown anywhere has been under HIS watch.

So simmer down, and give Obama some time to fix the last eight years of bloated spending and reckless behavior that has endangered our country.
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by cynm1 December 23, 2008 1:36 PM EST
Where did the bailout money go???
After receiving billions in aid from U.S. taxpayers, the nation''s largest banks say they can''t track exactly how they''re spending the money or they simply refuse to discuss it.
"We''ve lent some of it. We''ve not lent some of it. We''ve not given any accounting of, ''Here''s how we''re doing it,''" said Thomas Kelly, a spokesman for JPMorgan Chase, which received $25 billion in emergency bailout money. "We have not disclosed that to the public. We''re declining to.
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The Associated Press contacted 21 banks that received at least $1 billion in government money and asked four questions: How much has been spent? What was it spent on? How much is being held in savings, and what''s the plan for the rest?
None of the banks provided specific answers.
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by jt_lancer December 23, 2008 1:04 PM EST
If $850 Billion in ''government stimulus'' will ''help'' the economy, why not make it $3 Trillion and REALLY help the economy.

What the politicial elites refuse to inform the dumb masses of is that any government ''stimulus'' results in a private sector DE-STIMULUS.

The government does NOT have its own money, folks. Every dollar it gets comes out of the pockets of those who work for it and earn it.
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by fedupman December 23, 2008 12:57 PM EST
Carter Started This You Jerks
Learn Your History Clinton Also Helped A Lot
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by bjcone8559 December 23, 2008 12:43 PM EST
We are witnessing the end of America.

Thanks Reagan, Bush I, Bush II
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by rwassel December 23, 2008 12:18 PM EST
Oh, so it''s okay that we just spent $700 billion to give to banks and Wall Street Execs for their bonuses, but now when we want to spend that plus a little more to ease the suffering of the people on Main Street, you NEOCONS are all up in arms?

Typical, self-serving, unpatriotic right-wing neocons.
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by dinkydog1 December 23, 2008 12:07 PM EST
....Reagan accomplished this with spending cuts and tax cuts......


Posted by ReaganiteGOP at 06:29 AM : Dec 23, 2008

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Have you lost your mind? Regan was responsable for elimination of many middle class tax deductions resulting in huge middle class tax increases and spent his way out of a recession with record deposits and debt.


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by jtmangum49 December 23, 2008 11:35 AM EST
The Obama economic team has no idea how to grow the economy.They keep throwing money in the wrong direction.They give the banks billions and they still want loan no money unless you have excellant credit.If a person has no job how can he borrow money hello they should have throwed that money toward the working class instead of banks.Hey everybody wake up we are the taxpayers we are footing the bill for all these greedy CEOs and big business and still doing without.
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by rwassel December 23, 2008 10:39 AM EST
Oh, so it''s okay that we just spent $700 billion to give to banks and Wall Street Execs for their bonuses, but now when we want to spend that plus a little more to ease the suffering of the people on Main Street, you NEOCONS are all up in arms?

Typical, self-serving, unpatriotic right-wing neocons.
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by nojoy01 December 23, 2008 10:12 AM EST
Hey, morphndol8, it really sucks when your meds run out before the end of the month, doesn''t it ??
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by reaganitegop December 23, 2008 9:29 AM EST
Obama''s misguided plans go against all proven formulae, largely ignoring the true engines of our economy (entrepreneurs and small business) in-favor of a huge, inefficient, Federal spending spree... just like the policies that lengthened The Depression by 7 yrs.

The New Deal of the 30s that Obama so proudly emulates was, in-fact, a colossal economic failure. FDR never achieved an employment level under 14%... and averaged 17%.

FDR''s own Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau stated in 1939:

"We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . We have never made good on our promises. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started...and an enormous debt to boot!"

All in stark contrast to the proven Reagan Recovery of the 1980s, which brought us back from almost 11% unemployment (50% worse than today), plus double-digit inflation and interest rates.

Reagan accomplished this with spending cuts and tax cuts, in addition to deregulation and incentives for small businesses and entrepreneurs.

He created 16M jobs...growing the country''s GDP by almost 30% in the process. Those kind of results makes one wonder why Obama''s trillion-dollar spending plan would impress ANY-body, with his pledged 3M new and "saved" jobs ... a paltry figure 11M jobs shy of The Gipper''s towering accomplishment.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com/
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by reaganitegop December 23, 2008 9:23 AM EST
Obama hasn''t the slightest clue how a entrepreneurial market economy functions... and he doesn''t want to, because he detests it.---His misguided plans go against all proven formulae, largely ignoring the true engines of our economy (entrepreneurs and small business) in-favor of a huge, inefficient, and corrupt Federal spending spree... just like the policies that lengthened The Depression by 7+ yrs.---The New Deal of the 1930s that Obama so proudly emulates was, in-fact, a colossal economic failure. In fact, FDR never achieved an employment level under 14%... and averaged 17% over his presidency. ---FDR''s own Treasury Secretary Henry Morgenthau stated in 1939:---"We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. . . . We have never made good on our promises. . . . I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. . . . And an enormous debt to boot!"---This is all in very stark contrast to the proven Reagan
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by tmittelstaed December 23, 2008 3:52 AM EST
This plan isn''t going to work. The fundamental problem in the US right now is the gap between the rich and the poor. 40 years ago it was much, much smaller. Today, we have a situation where anyone who isn''t rich, (ie: the vast middle class) has seen the buying power of their wages eroding over the last 40 years while the rich have skimmed more and more money off. Today the middle class can only really afford the necessities of food and shelter.
You cannot mandate salary cuts, but you CAN raise taxes on the rich, then put the money into services that benefit the middle class and that currently cost them - such as health care.
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by nearl4511 December 23, 2008 3:06 AM EST
Yeah, I thought not.
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