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December 17, 2008 5:39 AM

Iraqi Justice System Swallows Shoe-Thrower

Randall Joyce is CBS News' Baghdad producer.

(AP Photo/Bilal Hussein)
Muntader al-Zeidi, the Iraqi journalist who threw his shoes at President Bush, has become a hero in much of the Arab world and a video sensation in the YouTube universe. His assault or protest (pick your own term) has been seen around the world by millions, but al-Zeidi himself is nowhere to be seen.

He has disappeared into an Iraqi legal system that is deeply flawed and, at times, intentionally confusing. If transparency is the standard for a good court system, then Iraq's is the opposite. Opaque doesn't begin to describe it.

Today's proceedings are a good example of just how hard it is to navigate the system. Our crew just returned from Baghdad's Central Court, where al-Zeidi did not appear as expected. His family and a team of defense lawyers hired by his employer, Baghdadiya TV, had been told that his preliminary hearing would take place today, and they arrived at court with the reasonable expectation that they could see the accused and provide legal representation for him.

Instead, they were given a second-hand account of a hearing that had already taken place. The Central Court judge told al-Zeidi’s lawyers that one of his colleagues had finished the investigative proceeding against the accused yesterday, in a session that took place in the heavily-fortified Green Zone.

Today’s judge announced that al-Zeidi had admitted assaulting President Bush and resisting arrest. According to this account, al-Zeidi said he resisted because he was "nervous and confused" and he added that he would not press charges against security agents who beat him during the incident.

Here's the video again, in case, through some miracle, you've not yet seen it:



The judge said a prosecutor was present at yesterday’s hearing and that al-Zeidi had a court-appointed defense attorney. At that hearing al Zeidi is said to have stated that he did not want to be defended by the lawyers who represented Saddam Hussein (they had volunteered).

(CBS)
But that leaves open the possibility that al-Zeidi (at left) will be represented by the lawyers hired by his TV station. The Central Court judge said the decision on whether this case proceeds to trial could come as soon as eight days from now. He stressed that that it is not up to Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to press charges at this point because the matter is already in the court system. (That preempts any call for al Maliki to drop the charges, of course.)

The charge is assaulting a foreign president, which carries a maximum 15-year sentence, but the judge today indicated there was a wide range of possible sentences.

Al-Zeidi’s family was informed at today’s hearing that he is being held in a jail in the Green Zone, but when our crew went to that facility they were told he had never been there. So far, no member of his family has seen him and we have no idea of his physical condition.

There is no explanation so far as to why the hearing took place a day earlier than planned at a secret location without the presence of al-Zeidi’s legal team or family.

His brother, Dhargam al-Zeidi told the Associated Press that he believes the non-appearance Wednesday suggests his brother was beaten, "and they fear that his appearance could trigger anger at the court."

Whatever al-Zeidi intended with his shoe throwing at that presidential news conference, this incident has opened a window on the Iraqi legal system. For foreigners on the outside looking in, the case is already giving some insight as to what kind of country the U.S. will leave behind.
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by jgunther7 December 18, 2008 7:59 PM EST
This case has gone beyond the detention and now the torture of this guy. We have to question why we are still there. Every day this goes on more people are dying and being tortured.
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by prudentvoter December 18, 2008 7:40 PM EST
time to get out of Iraq. We can not wait until June, or 16 months, time to get out now.
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by metsobitso December 18, 2008 3:05 AM EST
The puppet government and Bush''s sock puppet are beating and torturing this man in the name of the United States. This is a national disgrace to our once proud country.
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by miamiderick December 18, 2008 2:46 AM EST
Take a trip to Iraq and talk to the people on the street. You will quickly learn the the Iraqi people love Bush... Next time you go to Iraq, don''t wear your body armour and don''t carry a weapon, get out of your armoured personel carrier and let the Iraqi people show how much they love you.
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by down-ndirty December 18, 2008 1:46 AM EST
Take a trip to Iraq and talk to the people on the street. You will quickly learn the the Iraqi people love Bush. They are thankful to the US and its people for the sacrifices we have made for their freedom. You have been watching too much liberal controlled media. And yes before you ask, I have been there and spoken to the Iraqi people. My comments came from first hand experience not a news report geared toward getting a democrat elected president.
Posted by redbds at 04:14 PM : Dec 17, 2008


Yes, the fact that they "love" Bush is obvious from the support al-Zeidi is getting from the protesters in the streets of Baghdad.

The "fact" that you have spoken to the Iraqi people means little. After all, how many Iraqi people could you have possibly spoken to? As many as have protested in the street recently? I doubt it.

The last part of your last sentence says it all.


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by ajmarine111 December 17, 2008 9:10 PM EST
Saddma killed about... not sure..5000 during his entire rule.

Posted by signtwo at 04:56 PM : Dec 17, 2008




Full name Saddam Hussein al-Majid al-Tikriti. AKA ''Great Uncle'', AKA ''Lion of Babylon'', AKA ''Lion of Iraq'', AKA ''Beast of Baghdad''. Saddam translates to ''One Who Confronts''.


Kill tally:

Approaching two million, including between 150,000 and 340,000 Iraqi and between 450,000 and 730,000 Iranian combatants killed during the Iran-Iraq War. An estimated 1,000 Kuwaiti nationals killed following the Iraqi invasion of Kuwait. No conclusive figures for the number of Iraqis killed during the Gulf War, with estimates varying from as few as 1,500 to as many as 200,000. Over 100,000 Kurds killed or "disappeared". No reliable figures for the number of Iraqi dissidents and Shia Muslims killed during Hussein''s reign, though estimates put the figure between 60,000 and 150,000. (Mass graves discovered following the US occupation of Iraq in 2003 suggest that the total combined figure for Kurds, Shias and dissidents killed could be as high as 300,000). Approximately 500,000 Iraqi children dead because of international trade sanctions introduced following the Gulf War.

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by jamster31 December 17, 2008 8:54 PM EST
When at war most of the countrymen of the invaded country cheer the army that''s passing thru at the time. They just don''t want to die
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by promaclaura December 17, 2008 7:50 PM EST
I''ve seen several posts of supporters for the shoe thrower saying his whole family was killed and he was reacting from grief. What family members were killed? I''m not finding the article that speaks of this personal tragedy. I still think he was stupid to assault a world leader and will pay the price, which would happen in any country that won''t abide this behavior. Wow, he really insulted Maliki as well, don''t people understand how seriously he stepped in the $hit with his stunt.
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by ezchill December 17, 2008 7:41 PM EST
Kind of ironic this guy called Bush a dog and only 8 years ago, Saddam was treating the guy like a dog. A simple "thank you for allowing me to throw this shoe at you.." would have been nice, greaseball.
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by mrmeatspin December 17, 2008 7:28 PM EST
well he was a sensation for the liberal media for 15 mins..

sad....
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by notblue December 17, 2008 7:26 PM EST
promaclur, unlike the former rulers of Iraq that did shoot at them?
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by mrmeatspin December 17, 2008 7:25 PM EST
His brother, Dhargam al-Zeidi told the Associated Press that he believes the non-appearance Wednesday suggests his brother was beaten, "and they fear that his appearance could trigger anger at the court."

Whatever al-Zeidi intended with his shoe throwing at that presidential news conference, this incident has opened a window on the Iraqi legal system. For foreigners on the outside looking in, the case is already giving some insight as to what kind of country the U.S. will leave behind

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I wonder how long before these undeserving animals BEGS THE LIKES OF BUSH to come back..



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by cbscrash072 December 17, 2008 7:25 PM EST
If this guy isn''t charged with assault then we should pardon those Black water guys.
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by mrmeatspin December 17, 2008 7:23 PM EST
this is where Muntader al-Zeidi ''crusade'' will be tested..

this time no cameras no glitz no clapping..

i bet a million dollars he gives up at the very first hit in the face.
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by promaclaura December 17, 2008 7:21 PM EST
Take a trip to Iraq and talk to the people on the street. You will quickly learn the the Iraqi people love Bush. They are thankful to the US and its people for the sacrifices we have made for their freedom. You have been watching too much liberal controlled media. And yes before you ask, I have been there and spoken to the Iraqi people. My comments came from first hand experience not a news report geared toward getting a democrat elected president.


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Posted by redbds at 04:14 PM : Dec 17, 2008

I saw the video of the 13 year old Iraqi boy that was interviewed about Americans, he said he "loved them" because they didn''t shoot at him. This interview was conducted in a market with other kids around him, one interpreted for his friend.
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by redbds December 17, 2008 7:14 PM EST
Seeing as I don''''t listen to Lintball or Hannity, I can only assume you have no idea how other countries ridicule Bush and hate Americans--all because of the manufactured war in Iraq.

Lordie--you are really out of touch with reality!!

Posted by liberalme at 04:09 PM : Dec 17, 2008

Take a trip to Iraq and talk to the people on the street. You will quickly learn the the Iraqi people love Bush. They are thankful to the US and its people for the sacrifices we have made for their freedom. You have been watching too much liberal controlled media. And yes before you ask, I have been there and spoken to the Iraqi people. My comments came from first hand experience not a news report geared toward getting a democrat elected president.
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by notblue December 17, 2008 7:13 PM EST
liberalme, who are "these other countries" Venezuala? Iran? please enlighten us with specifics. Any allies of the U.S. on your list of "other countries". You libs were able to sway the 67 percenters with your generalties this last election but now try some specifics clear thinking adults can use to understand your post.
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by liberalme December 17, 2008 7:09 PM EST
liberalme, why is it you libs believe that America is no longer respected in the world? it would be nice to actually heresome statistics or facts for a change. Do you realize America is the most immigrated too country in the world? There is a fact for you, explain if what you alledge is true how that fact can be?

Posted by notblue at 04:03 PM :

Seeing as I don''t listen to Lintball or Hannity, I can only assume you have no idea how other countries ridicule Bush and hate Americans--all because of the manufactured war in Iraq.

Lordie--you are really out of touch with reality!!
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by redbds December 17, 2008 7:09 PM EST
Good Lord I hope you didn''''t raise any children thinking you had to scare the crapola out of them to get respect!! How Hitlerish!!!

How did we maintain respect from these other countries all these years? (Until Bush)

Sorry---respect is EARNED!

Posted by liberalme at 04:06 PM : Dec 17, 2008

You have no concept of international relations. Do you think that countries respected us because we were nice? They respected us because our military could destroy them as a weekend exercise.
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by liberalme December 17, 2008 7:06 PM EST
Ha ha ha ha. That is hilarious. With the liberals in charge we will no longer be feared. When our enemies stop fearing us we will really be in for a mess. I seriously don''''t think things are going to get better with dems in charge. maintained if we are feared.



Posted by redbds at 03:58 PM :

Good Lord I hope you didn''t raise any children thinking you had to scare the crapola out of them to get respect!! How Hitlerish!!!

How did we maintain respect from these other countries all these years? (Until Bush)

Sorry---respect is EARNED!
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