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December 3, 2008 2:39 PM

Franken Camp Claims To Be Winning Recount

After Saxby Chambliss' convincing victory in the Georgia Senate runoff yesterday, the only remaining undecided Senate seat belongs to Minnesota, where Democrat Al Franken and Republican Norm Coleman are battling for the upper hand in a recount that remains exceedingly close. The Minneapolis Star Tribune reports that Coleman's lead stood at 303 votes at the end of the day Tuesday, with 93 percent of the total vote recounted.

(CBS/AP)
But Franken has gained some momentum: He picked up an unexpected 37 votes thanks to "a combined machine malfunction and human error on Election Day," and, perhaps more importantly, the secretary of state's office has asked local election officials to reexamine roughly 12,000 rejected absentee ballots. The Franken camp has been pushing to add to the recount about 1,000 ballots that it believes were improperly rejected, and the Star Tribune reports that the move appears "to give at least some new life" to that effort.

Franken's team, in fact, claims its candidate has moved ahead: On a conference call today, Franken campaign attorney Marc Elias said its internal count has Franken up by 22 votes. As Politico notes, Franken's side says the 303 figure is misleading because it does not include roughly 6,000 ballots disputed by both sides, ballots which are not included in the official tally.

Franken's side says its calculations result from an inclusion of these disputed ballots; the Coleman camp, unsurprisingly, characterizes its opponent's math as "false." Franken's campaign is now withdrawing 633 ballot challenges, and Elias says they will likely withdraw many more; the Coleman camp says it will probably follow suit, perhaps next week. Any remaining challenges will be resolved by the state canvassing board starting December 16th.
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by whosaid1 December 3, 2008 4:15 PM PST
it won''t be OVER till they find enough votes to elect Franken......what a joke!!! Of course, it can''t be much of a joke for Coleman...must be his biggest nightmare. How can any of us have any confidence in our electorial system after the last couple of elections? Doesn''t matter what side you favor...what most of us want is an HONEST election system.
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by mrmeatspin December 3, 2008 4:36 PM PST
kinda remind of the califronia preposition 8..

whats the point in voting??
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by susanhelit December 3, 2008 4:42 PM PST
Finally - count ALL of the votes, and let''s see who the real winner is. Have you seen some of the rejected ballots? A fully filled in circle, and a little scratch or dot on some other circle, and they reject the ballot - even though it''s obvious who the person wanted to vote for. Count them all - and all they''re doing is one good solid recount, just one, and let''s put in office the person the majority of the voters voted for. You know, just as if this were a DEMOCRACY.
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by mizzerz December 3, 2008 4:45 PM PST
Posted by whosaid1 at 04:15 PM : Dec 03, 2008

Funny funny. Repubs whining about a voter''s nightmare . Now you know what I felt during the Florida recount in 2000 and Ohio in 2004.

Franken is the best candidate for Minnesota. He knows the issues and will be in the majority in the Senate. That will allow him to help Minnesota more than Norm "the Bush" Coleman
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by antoniof123 December 3, 2008 4:56 PM PST
Who cares what you all want it doesn''t matter what you say or do it is in MN not any where else.

Neo cons are scared because that would be one more seat for the Democrats. Democrats are scared because that would be one more seat for the Republicans.

The American people have already decided who is President and who is in control of both the house and the senate so to us it doesn''t really matter.

Now if both side moderate and work together then we will be happy if not the side that does not play well well lose next election of that this swing voter is certain.
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by susanhelit December 3, 2008 4:58 PM PST
They aren''t manufacturing votes, nor doing multiple recounts - they''re doing one singular recount. Normally, we can accept a little .1% error rate on our vote counting, because the usual difference between candidates is far larger than that. But this state has the very logical policy, that when the difference between two candidates is less than 1% (and this one is less than a hundredth of a percent), you recount, using people rather than machines, for maximum accuracy, make sure everyone''s vote is counted.

It''s the right thing to do - no matter who it benefits. The voters - not the machines, not the human errors (like the one registrar who accidentally wrote down 24, rather than 124 as a number of votes for Franken) - should select their representative.
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by tsdc7 December 3, 2008 5:02 PM PST
It would have been faster and more mathematically appropriate for MN to have had a run-off between the two, because neither of the candidates won a majority (i.e., 50% + 1) of the votes.
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by mizzerz December 3, 2008 5:06 PM PST
Posted by edieterle at 04:51 PM : Dec 03, 2008

It does not take a genius to know who is in power in Washington and know that the ones in power get the bigger share.

I guess you are one of those that say that you shouldn''t comment on the Iraq war unless you have been there.
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by erich_1-2009 December 3, 2008 5:13 PM PST
A runoff would be unfair for Franken. He would lose badly, just like Martin in Georgia. Franken needs to keep cheating until he wins, and then MN can be stuck with their Senator for their stupidity to allow Franken to be so close.
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by togeika December 3, 2008 5:15 PM PST

It all is going smoothly. We are lucky in Minnesota to have an honest Secretary Of State in Mark Ritchie.

It is hilarious to listen to the Wingnuts squirm when justice is served.
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by questionnews December 3, 2008 5:28 PM PST
I can''t believe that in the entire state of Minn., Dems couldn''t come up with a candidate better than Franken?? Any other Dem candidate would have easily been carried into office with the backlash aimed at Repubs. But you guys put up Franken as the "best we could offer"????? If Franken is as skilled as a senator as he was a talk show host, God help the people of Minnesota.
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by agogg December 3, 2008 5:31 PM PST
It tickles me no end to see REPUBLICANS worrying about cheating and fraud after absolutely stealing the presidency in 2000 and 2004. Guess you can''t steal ''em all...
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by ausus-2009 December 3, 2008 5:34 PM PST
Overseas Norm Coleman is regarded as a strong advocate for Minnesota''s farmers. It would be a pity to lose him and replace him with a comedian.
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by questionnews December 3, 2008 5:45 PM PST
Overseas Norm Coleman is regarded as a strong advocate for Minnesota''''s farmers. It would be a pity to lose him and replace him with a comedian.

Posted by ausus at 05:34 PM : Dec 03, 2008


I have seen Franken try to be a comedian. It doesn''t work.
Although, him running for the Senate is pretty funny. More of a tragic comedy. Humorous, but tragic. There had to be another Dem more qualified than this clown.
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by exploremore December 3, 2008 5:47 PM PST
Yup, Franken the fool is winning since Dem precinct captains mysteriously turn up w/ boxes of votes - for Franken! - in the trunks of their cars. And perpetuate the bald-faced lie about Republicans "stealing" the presidency. Even the NYT gave up on that one, you chumps.
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by jps19651 December 3, 2008 5:55 PM PST
Al Franken? Come on Minnesota, I know Norm Coleman is not exactly Mr. Charisma, but he is Moderate, thoughtful, and intelligent. Franken is a foul-mouthed, not very talented comedian, who isn''t very funny. Hopefully, Coleman will win and you will be saved by this embarrassment. Senator Al Franken? It''s like one of his bad jokes.
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by shoebox119 December 3, 2008 6:00 PM PST
I can''''t believe that in the entire state of Minn., Dems couldn''''t come up with a candidate better than Franken?? Any other Dem candidate would have easily been carried into office with the backlash aimed at Repubs. But you guys put up Franken as the "best we could offer"????? If Franken is as skilled as a senator as he was a talk show host, God help the people of Minnesota.

Posted by Questionnews

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The Republicans opened the door eight years ago by putting their best man forward... George W. Bush, whose only credentials were name recognition and a product of privilege. In other words, ANYONE can be president.

Fast forward to this year''s election and what do we have? "You betcha" Sarah Palin as VP candidate who makes Bush look like a genius and Harvard scholar.

And you have the nerve to denegrate Al Franken only because he was once a comedian. At least the man has a brain. The GOP should try looking for candidates with IQ''s over 100... they just might get more respect.
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by prometheus41 December 3, 2008 6:09 PM PST
Overseas Norm Coleman is regarded as a strong advocate for Minnesota''''''''s farmers. It would be a pity to lose him and replace him with a comedian.

Posted by ausus at 05:34 PM : Dec 03, 2008

I had no idea they did that sort of really obscure polling overseas. If Minnesota farmers are any of the one''s raking in multi-millions along-side of federal taxpayer subsidies, than as a federal taxpayer, I *** sure hope Franken get''s elected. But then again rich farmers on the federal taxpayer doll shouldn''t be getting majority representation in Congress anyway. What we definitely DO NOT NEED in Congress anymore, are representatives who represent a pork-barrel federal taxpayer subsidized minority.
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by klunder3 December 3, 2008 6:10 PM PST
To ThintheHerd2, re your two most recent vulgar postings: You are embarrassing yourself. Leave your references to ******* out of a political discussion, if you can possibly manage to control yourself. Both postings were reported, via the "report abuse" button. Check back on this part of the string of posts, in about an hour or so, and I''ll bet you a bar of soap -- that you or your mom can use to wash out your mouth -- that they will both have been removed. Between now and then, do yourself a favor and grow up, OK?
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by klunder3 December 3, 2008 6:34 PM PST
That''s right, RJS1955, and watch them censor your most recent one also! (I just hit the "report abuse" button, believe me, it''s for your own good.) Of course, you could always try acting like an adult, instead of your pre-adolescent attempt to fool the grown-ups by getting away with your vulgar fixations in print. If you need more of an explanation, read my response to ThinTheHerd2, just below your most recent post, and feel free to follow the same advice I gave him -- help yourself out a bit and grow up, if at all possible.

Or not -- you can always continue to embarrass yourself, if you find that amusing. Your choice of course. Either way -- best wishes, however it works out for you . . .
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by bjcone8559 December 3, 2008 6:48 PM PST
Democrats have a monopoly on destroying democracy.


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Posted by CBSisPravda1


Republicans have a monopoly on finding ways to make your vote not count... if you voted for the opponent. What is happening right now is an attempt to find the votes that have been hidden and ''not counted'' thanks to the efforts of the rabid right.
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by ausus-2009 December 3, 2008 9:44 PM PST
prometheus41,

My comments were a distillation of remarks from overseas politicians who wanted to dump their agricultural products on the American market. Are you saying you are in favor of dumping?

Doesn''t sending US jobs overseas mean anything to you?
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by amjoe-2009 December 3, 2008 9:52 PM PST
Republicans will win, in different ways, no matter who wins the Minnesota senatorial race. If Coleman wins, Republicans will have another senator. But if Franken wins, the victory could be much bigger for the Republicans. Franken will make such a fool of himself and the Democratic Party, it will help in discrediting the Democrats and help overturn the Democratic majority in the Senate in the next mid-term elections.
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by wtcmedic911 December 3, 2008 10:17 PM PST
Frankin did such a wonderful job on his radio station. didnt pay taxes, didnt pay employee benefits, workmans comp, health, promised vacation pay. Took a shady loan from nyc city fund under jessie jackson. yup, you got yourself a real winner here. oh did you happen to notice the large fine levied by state of ny against him for nonpayment?
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by dennisgreen5 December 4, 2008 12:11 AM PST
Why are republicans so afraid of the democrats? Because democrats want to help working people and republicans are only want to help the rich corporations and high dollar CEO,s. Why the American people haven''t learned this is a mystery. Europeans are vigilint at observing their governments and keep their leaders on a tight leash. A large group of Americans don''t even bother to vote and then wonder why our jobs are going overseas and the rich are getting richer while the middle class is getting poorer by the day.
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by ausus-2009 December 4, 2008 12:21 AM PST
dennisgreen5,

Haven''t you noticed that most of Europe''s economies have tanked even more than that of the US.
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by betraid December 4, 2008 2:34 AM PST
Is this is another hanging chad debacle, to be decided by judges.
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by xlib December 4, 2008 7:08 AM PST
Yep, winning with whatever it takes! Keep finding those "lost ballots". Yep, whatever it takes.
What name is he going by, small or fanken. What a joke.
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by wtcmedic911 December 4, 2008 8:19 AM PST
-IMPRISIONROVE-
"That''''s pretty funny, coming from someone in Ala-F-ing-bama, considering the idol-worship the Rethuglicans pay to Sarah the Moose -- and her "politics" of charging rape victims for rape kits, so as to make it difficult to obtain abortions, which Palin just so happens NOT to think is a woman''''s right -- even tho the Supreme Court has said so.
And, let''''s not forget the fact that Sarah really, really believes that dinosaurs roamed the earth with humans, 4,000 years ago -- despite all scientific (uhh-ohh, there''''s that dreaded word: "scientific"!) evidence to the contrary (not to mention common sense).
Yes, the use of the adjective, extreme, in characterizing one''''s politics, is more revealing about the wordsmith (that would be you), than the person to whom it is ascribed.
BTW, there''''s no need to post in all caps. Are you drunk or just really, really stoo-pid -- like you appear to be??"
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Ahhhh another condescending democrat. This ladies and gent is a gleaming example of the non judgmental, open to any and all ideas, sexes, and creeds. Of course us narrow minded republicans are the only ones that should use such hate speech. Often it seems with this example the new generation of democrats are meaner, nastier, arrogant then us republicans.
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by louiville2 December 4, 2008 8:43 AM PST
"Dish out a lot of groceries and coal.
Get my boys to bring the voters out.
Then count the votes again till they added up right,
and he was elected."-Johnny Rocco Chicago Gangster-Key Largo 1948

Gracious democrat don''t exist.

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by hatesthecolt December 4, 2008 8:48 AM PST
Ahhh
h another condescending democrat. This ladies and gent is a gleaming example of the non judgmental, open to any and all ideas, sexes, and creeds. Of course us narrow minded republicans are the only ones that should use such hate speech. Often it seems with this example the new generation of democrats are meaner, nastier, arrogant then us republicans.

Posted by wtcmedic911

Ahh another narrow minded republican willing to tar everyone because of one individual. Nice try but the truth of the matter is that for the last 30 years in general and the last 8 years in particular it HAS been the Republican party that has been the party of intolerance. And that has played itself out to to a large extent on this website. There is a significant number of foulmouthed race baiting McCain/Palin supporting posters. So maybe you could skip the generalizations next time.
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by hatesthecolt December 4, 2008 8:50 AM PST
Yep, winning with whatever it takes! Keep finding those "lost ballots". Yep, whatever it takes.
What name is he going by, small or fanken. What a joke.

Posted by Xlib

Win by whatever means necessary? If true, Franken learned it from the Republicans.
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by badbrown126 December 4, 2008 8:50 AM PST
The more recent news is that another county found more votes for Coleman. He now leads by a larger count ... mind you still a very small number. Check drudge ... he has the link.

If CBS is going to post a political blog it should be at a bare minimum timely. The folks who respond to these postings get there news off the net. Meaning we know what the latest is. There should never be a high profile political link on such a mainstream profile site that lost it''s relevancy almost 16 hours ago.

Who is the webmaster ... the turtle from the DSL commercials?
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by wtcmedic911 December 4, 2008 8:54 AM PST
-hatesthecolt-
nice screen name. shows lots of love. that poor little colt.
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by xlib December 4, 2008 10:38 AM PST
hatesthecolt-didn''t know acorn worked for the Republicans. Hmm, do tell. NOw, you need to explain your post. If you are referring to way back in 2000, don''t believe any wrong doing was provem. In fact, your very own ny times did it''s own study and found no wrong doing. Look it up yourself. Also, going back to 2000 and Florida, just why didn''t the dems want the military vote counted.
In the case of this particular election, do believe they have come up with more than a few "strange" doings.
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by xlib December 4, 2008 10:40 AM PST
You know, after reading your posts on this site I am constantly amazed at the level of hate you people have. It''s just amazing. There isn''t any discussion, nope, just name calling and hate speech. Good God people, give it up.
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by michig32 December 4, 2008 10:52 AM PST
As far as I''m concerned Republicans have no right to complain about recounts. Even after the 2000 recount proved Gore had more votes the Supreme Court just decided to ignore this and declare victory for Bush. Look where that got us. Better to get it right or else what''s the point of a recount? And WTCMEDIC, maybe you don''t realize the hypocrisy of your statement but you come off as much more condescending than ImprisonRove. (The sarcasm and the grandstanding "Ladies and Gents".) And truly I''m surprised you don''t consider being meaner, nastier, and more arrogant a virtue. If you want hypocrisy all you need to do is look at the Republican party. Far more of these conservative, "family values", politicians are having gay affairs with interns and looking for affection in bathroom stalls. They are for the troops yet our troops have had their benefits cut over and over. They want to go to war but don''t want to accept the cost and want to make future generations pay for it. They love democracy but their for torture and extra-judicial trials without evidence. Many republicans also want help paying their mortgages from the government but still think socialism is completely and utterly evil.
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by antoniof123 December 4, 2008 2:48 PM PST
I would love to see Franken win this just to hear the neo cons screaming and yelling and crying foul. But you know what I really don''t care because next election there are many neo cons in battle ground states in the senate up for re-election and that should pretty much take care of the neo cons for a generation.
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by ausus-2009 December 4, 2008 6:16 PM PST
In the end it is a choice of a Senator who has a proven record of working for the farmers of Minnesota or a person who is most likely to be a party hack, pushing through some of Obama''s more radical measures.
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