Couric & Co.
December 1, 2008 4:38 PM

Herding Money?

Kelly Wallace is a CBS News correspondent based in New York.
(AP)
When producer Melissa Smith first mentioned the idea of doing a story on how more and more people, anxious about the stock market’s daily gyrations, are kissing their stocks and bonds goodbye and saying hello to unconventional investments, like alpacas, comic books and wine, I kind of thought these folks might be a little crazy. I mean, alpacas? How could the llama-like creatures possibly be profitable? And is it really wise to turn your back on your 401k and a market which, over the long run, traditionally brings in a positive return?

I don’t have the answers to all of those questions, but after doing the story for tonight’s CBS Evening News with Katie Couric, I admit I did wonder if breeding alpacas could turn me into a millionaire. No, I’m not entirely serious, but meeting Peggy Parks, who started investing in alpacas a year ago, did get me thinking.

First, let’s cover some of the facts. We don’t have a number but anecdotal evidence shows more people are pulling away from traditional retirement funds and pursuing what experts call hard, tangible assets instead. According to the U.S. Mint, there is unprecedented demand for gold and silver coins. Stanley Gibbons, the world’s oldest and largest rare stamp dealer, reports a huge increase in the rare stamp market in the past few months. Demand for alpacas and bison also appear to be up. So are sales of comic books.

Rick Whitelock of Lynn Haven, Florida estimates he’s invested about a million dollars in comics in the past three years and is enjoying returns Wall Street can only dream about right now. "If you had $80,000 or $90,000 and you had to put it in the stock market, I think today on paper, it’s probably worth $45,000 to $50,000, but you could have taken that same $80,000 or $90,000 and easily turned it into $120,000 or $150,000 or even more, if you had made the right comic book purchases," Whitelock said in an interview. “So you’re looking at a negative 40 percent return in the stock market versus a maybe 200 percent or more in the comic book market."

Peggy told me three years ago she stumbled upon an alpaca brochure and didn’t even know what an alpaca was. She started doing her homework, which included reading a catalogue about alpaca investing (there is a catalogue for such a thing!), going to alpaca auctions and talking with other alpaca breeders. Then, a year ago, she started breeding alpacas. She no longer invests in her 401k.

Her friends feel a bit like I did when I first heard about her story. "They do think I’m crazy because they can’t imagine the worth of (alpacas) and they always ask me what I do with them?" The 49-year-old, who’s an auditor in her day job, told me this during my visit to her farm in Johnstown, Pennsylvania.

Turns out a breeding female alpaca can fetch upwards of $15,000, while a unique alpaca, one deemed worthy enough to be shown at alpaca shows, can go for a price in the six figures. Alpaca fleece is also used in high-end clothing.

But before you rush out to buy alpacas or invest in comic books, consider this: Investors turned to tangible assets in the past during other times when the market was tumbling and they didn’t always come out ahead.

Case in point: investing in emus. Breeding them for their lean, low-fat meat was all the rage in the '90s. “When folks bought these birds, they thought they were gonna make a fortune and finally [they] couldn’t keep them up because they were losing so much money, they turned them off into the wild,” said securities expert Joseph Borg. His agency, the Alabama Securities Commission, has issued an alert, warning investors not to make any sudden and uninformed decisions in these uncertain economic times.

I asked Peggy about Borg’s concerns and the plight of the emu investor. She said she wasn’t worried. "The emus were short-lived, very short-lived. The alpacas have been around for 25 to 30 years in the United States and have been very beneficial to a lot of people who invested early."

In 10 years, Peggy predicts she could have a million dollars for her retirement. We’ll have to catch up with her in 2018 to see if she’s right. And if she is, I’ll be kicking myself for not taking the plunge when it entered my mind, even just briefly, during my time in Johnstown.
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by alpacajoe June 27, 2009 5:13 PM EDT
Alpacas are the best investment that has ever come our way.We have been raising them for the last 6 years and have no regrets whatsoever. visit us at www.themarshfarm.com or www.alpacasocial.com -
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by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 11:07 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
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by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 7:45 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 6:09 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 6:01 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 4:31 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 3:40 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 2:14 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 2:04 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 1:54 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 1:52 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 1:51 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
Reply to this comment
by goinggreen4 December 3, 2008 1:49 PM EST
Try this with tulips or comic books:
Alpaca fiber is:
Sustainable %u2013 an ever-growing American herd is on the horizon
Natural %u2013 not synthetic; not petroleum based
Renewable %u2013 we simply harvest the fleece
Durable %u2013 archeologists have found remnants of Peruvian Inca alpaca textiles


Alpacas are the most agriculturally environmentally friendly of animals %u2013 they live lightly on the earth.
No chemicals are employed either during feeding or during the industrial production of the fleece into fiber.
Alpaca fleece contains no lanolin so no chemical detergents are required during processing.
Alpacas%u2019 fur, referred to as fleece, grows quickly and is lighter, warmer and softer than most sheep wool.
Alpacas consume far less water than most other herds. Their efficient 3-stomach digestive system metabolizes most of what they eat.
Their pellet-like droppings are Ph balanced and an excellent, natural, slow release, low odor fertilizer and even bio-fuel.
They lack upper, incisor teeth, so they do not chew and tear the native vegetation. Rather, they gently "cut" it against their palate, which encourages the plants'' growth.
Even the worst fleece (lower legs, etc) is being used as natural weed mats around trees. (Yes, it is biodegradable)
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by kenhamlett December 3, 2008 1:37 PM EST
I thought I would check back in on this blog and have been enlightened. Thanks for the posts. I still have doubts about the income of selling stock vs the income from fleece but as long as everyone is happy I will keep on buying my socks but not worry about the ranching economics.
As I have always said, Alpaca is great so as long as you folks stay in business, I will have a steady supply of socks. That is especially important since the temp this morning is in the 20s. Alpaca makes it a nice day for a walk.
Good luck to all of you.
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by wrralpacas December 3, 2008 11:18 AM EST
We have been raising alpacas since 1996. They have paid off my home in 5 years. I only work 2 days a week out of the home and it is by choice. Americans are not flexible with produce and diets will not change easily. This is for the emus that can produce rapidly. Alpaca can only produce one offspring a year. Alpaca products have been around for 1,000 of years. Just watch the classic, Street Car Named Desire; they talk about alpaca%u2019s softness and the price. Alpaca fleece is the strongest natural fiber in the word with cashmere like feel. It has never gone down. In the USA we are breeding for color which is not competing with Peru. They breed for primarily white fleece. They now have had interest to purchase our alpacas of over 22 different variations color. We have done very well with our breeding programs here. The fact is that the alpaca registry has sought to recognize what other livestock have done in the US; have maintained the strongest registry in the US almost since conception in this country. Our lines are pure and there is no cheating. You are buying what is on the registration.
FYI: You can secure your investment with 3.7 insurance. Not land, your home or car. Those are your major purchases. I can buy an alpaca and insure it for 3.7% of the total cost. While it is compounding with offspring I am able to profit wonderfully. Meanwhile depreciate that livestock on my taxes.
Life is good at Wild River Ranch Alpacas. We are extremely happy with our investment.
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by alpaca_wny December 2, 2008 5:21 PM EST
As evidenced by Ken''s earlier post it appears that some do not believe there is profit to be had in the selling of alpaca products. Here%u2019s a real world example...Let''s take for example Ken''s pair of socks. We shear our alpacas ourselves, send the fiber to a co-op and buy socks wholesale for around $9 dollars including shipping. Add in feed/vet expenses and they are about $15 per pair of socks. At $22 retail, our profit on one pair of socks is $7.

BUT wait...there''s more...In addition to the approximately 32 pairs of socks, that same alpaca gave me income from his stud services or her cria to sell or add to the net worth of my herd. Additionally, as a business owner (not a hobbyist), my breeding alpaca provides me with significant tax benefits.

I also agree with jeanwithaj that as a business you have to diversify. It isn''t a good idea to put all your eggs in one basket no matter what business you own. The only people that believe alpacas will not garner a positive return on investment are those who have not looked deep enough into it and are satisfied with "believing" it can''t be possible. If you treat your business like a business the potential for creating a handsome income for your self IS possible.

Our farm would be happy to share our experiences in the alpaca industry to anyone interested in learning more about alpacas (and their end products) as an alternative investment. Please visit us for more information at www.SandyCreekAlpacas.com.
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by lanabella December 2, 2008 1:50 PM EST
Anyone interested in raising alpacas should take farm girls advise and do some research. We have been raising alpacas for over 11 years now and have enjoyed everyday of it. We owe a lot of what we have today to our furry critters. I am proud to say that I was able to give up my full time well paying desk job after 4 years in the business, to become a professional poopr scooper while quadrupeling my salary and working from home. Alpacas may be expensive to buy, but are very cheep and easy to feed and maintain. You cant compare the alpaca to the emue, or any other livestock that produces something that you eat. You cant even compare alpaca garments to other materials until you have warn it.
Nothing compares to quality alpaca and when it is cold all as I can say is "You know when you dont have it on"!
Alpaca''s like any other business is what you make of it. Those who wanted to make something of their investments have prospered very well in the apaca business.
More about our success.
www.4alpaca.com
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by pacafarmgirl December 2, 2008 12:47 PM EST
I have been an alpaca farmer for nine years. When I first heard of investing in alpacas I did think it sounded crazy, but research showed me that they are a sound investment with a high ROI and great tax advantages. We started with 3 alpacas and now have over 60. We consistently sell over a quarter of a million dollars in alpaca bloodstock each year. There are fundamental differences between alpacas and emus. Read more at http://www.alpacafarmgirl.com/2008/12/why-alpacas-are-not-emus/
I blog about alpacas and the lifestyle at www.alpacafarmgirl.com. Meet our alpacas at www.fairhopealpacas.com
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by jeanwithaj December 2, 2008 1:40 AM EST
Please check your facts. Alpacas have sustained a fiber industry for thousands of years in South America. The market for the fiber already exists (as evidenced by the garments you say you''re now wearing, and your parents probably wore when you were a tyke), unlike the emu/ostrich fads of the past where no market existed to support the venture. Alpaca breeding is a scaleable business model with a regulated industry and the end product is useful from cottage industry crafting to commercial applications. It''s non-cruel, eco-friendly, and grassroots, not a Stepford wife''s lawn ornament hobby/get-rick-quick/pyramid scheme. Like any other investment, it takes care, research, time and diversification for best ROI. Try reading the WSJ article on October 3rd for more.
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by kenhamlett December 1, 2008 10:23 PM EST
Perhaps you could educate these folks on the history of the Tulip boom and bust. It is the earliest of the fad investments I can think of offhand.
Oddly Alpaca is a great ranch animal with fantastic fleece. (I am wearing an Alpaca sweater and socks right now!)
However the cost of "registered" stock is ridiculous and their upkeep in the USA is far out of line with the cost of those in Peru and Bolivia. It makes for a nice hobby but not a great investment.
Stamps and comic book collecting for fun is also great but as an investment it only survives on the greater fool theory in the marketplace.
Have Peggy send me some socks along with the cost of production. It should be interesting. I do wish her well however.
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