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September 29, 2008 3:22 PM

Bailout Failure Fallout

As the fallout begins to flood through the halls of Congress in the wake of the defeat of the bailout compromise in the House, CBS News’ chief political consultant Marc Ambinder looks at what it might mean to John McCain. The Republican candidate suspended his campaign momentarily last week to return to Washington to work on the crisis. His chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, yesterday touted the results. “What Senator McCain was able to do was to help bring all of the parties to the table,” Schmidt told NBC News, “including the House Republicans, whose votes were needed to pass this.”

Now that the bill has been defeated with larger-than-expected GOP defections, Ambinder asks: “If McCain wanted credit for passage, should he share some of the blame for its defeat? Two thirds of half Republicans voted for its defeat...after a weekend of telephone call diplomacy from McCain.”

The McCain campaign has released a statement on the vote:
“From the minute John McCain suspended his campaign and arrived in Washington to address this crisis, he was attacked by the Democratic leadership: Senators Obama and Reid, Speaker Pelosi and others. Their partisan attacks were an effort to gain political advantage during a national economic crisis. By doing so, they put at risk the homes, livelihoods and savings of millions of American families. Barack Obama failed to lead, phoned it in, attacked John McCain, and refused to even say if he supported the final bill. Just before the vote, when the outcome was still in doubt, Speaker Pelosi gave a strongly worded partisan speech and poisoned the outcome. This bill failed because Barack Obama and the Democrats put politics ahead of country.”
Update: Obama spokesperson Bill Burton reacts to the vote in a statement:

“This is a moment of national crisis, and today’s inaction in Congress as well as the angry and hyper-partisan statement released by the McCain campaign are exactly why the American people are disgusted with Washington. Now is the time for Democrats and Republicans to join together and act in a way that prevents an economic catastrophe. Every American should be outraged that an era of greed and irresponsibility on Wall Street and Washington has led us to this point, but now that we are here, the stability of our entire economy depends on us taking immediate action to ease this crisis.”
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by hapklein September 30, 2008 6:24 PM EDT
Yesterday I was watching the vote and its reaction on Wall Street and happened to catch John McCain at his very worst. Have his handlers taken leave of all their senses?

Periodically the various talking heads mentioned that Mc Cain apparently lost face through his premature announcements especially taking credit in Ohio for a bill that actually had not passed. Then they began to announce Mc Cain was going to make an important announcement. I was switching channels and really didn%u2019t track time and I kept seeing people coming and going from behind a tall blue curtain. Then who steps out from behind is the man behind the cutain himself John Mc Cain who proceeded to say nothing of any consequence.

From now to election day I hope they keep using this prop maybe they can help him overcome the somewhat feeble and detached look he has taken on in the past week.

Who knows with an American public shouting fact free opinion to influence their representatives maybe they would rather elect a man behind the curtain rather than a capable human being.

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by shespar-2009 September 30, 2008 1:27 PM EDT
Lets take a recent bit of history
.. WaMu ...

Even though "TPG, a Texas-based private equity group led a $7.2 billion investment in Washington Mutual Inc. in April 2008. They failed miserably by Sept. 2008. If we throw money at these failing institutions it will only take longer, it will not halt their demise.
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by georgeost-2009 September 30, 2008 4:12 AM EDT
"Angry and hyper-partisan statement released by the McCain campaign" What?? So Pelosi''s diatribe today right before the vote wasn''t hyper-partisan??? People: See through this bias! McCain sought reform for Fannie and Freddie three years ago, and Bush before that! But the Democrats such as Obama have been profiting too much to let it go. So lies were made that Fannie and Freddie were ok. Now we know different! Obama, imo, is a corrupt politician. Read between the lines; read the non-mainstream media, and think for yourselves!
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by fpickern September 30, 2008 4:01 AM EDT
What a shame , that all Americans listen to this new Liar McCain. What a fraud !! What is even funnier, McCain, never even was there , he was at the White House, sitting on his ***, while the vote was taking place , and then he goes back to Ohio , Likehe is some kind of hero !! What a *** hypicit!!! The Republican party , the Crew of Liars , thiefs, hypicrits, and the worse of all , the murderious WAR MACHINE, of 5000 good American Men and Women!!! EXCELLANT JOB GEORGE W. BUSH!! When its your turn go Bush, plese be buried in IRAQ, you seem to love these People more than you do AMERICA , you lousey Traitor!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by fpickern September 30, 2008 3:49 AM EDT
whats the Difference between George W. Bush and Karl Marx????


95 years!!!!Socialism to the Bone!!!!! I believe in Western Justice also , Hang the Lying *** !!
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by greenfun September 30, 2008 3:43 AM EDT
The original video they are trying to ban. It had over 800,000 in just a few days.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NU6fuFrdCJY
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by fpickern September 30, 2008 3:43 AM EDT
It''s socialism, especially , when the ones whom are at fault is the Leadership of Wallstreet, Corporate CEO''S and their failure of leadership and company losses of profits, and get paid mega millions for "simply failig at their postions of leadership! Whats worse is every Congressman , and I mean the RepublicanParty , should have their seats impeached, and their constituencies should be screaming for Blood!!! This sorry piece of human *** in Washington we call President should be impeached immediately!!!This country is in this sorry shape , and know one to blame but the Republican Party , and their constant lax of taxes on Corporates, and to bail Wall street out of hock , is a F--KING crime!!!!! Funny , the rich protects the rich , and the poor gets to front the Bill!! Like I said it''s Socalism to the BONE. George W. Bush , you can go to hell!!!!!!!!!!!
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by fpickern September 30, 2008 3:43 AM EDT
It''s socialism, especially , when the ones whom are at fault is the Leadership of Wallstreet, Corporate CEO''S and their failure of leadership and company losses of profits, and get paid mega millions for "simply failig at their postions of leadership! Whats worse is every Congressman , and I mean the RepublicanParty , should have their seats impeached, and their constituencies should be screaming for Blood!!! This sorry piece of human *** in Washington we call President should be impeached immediately!!!This country is in this sorry shape , and know one to blame but the Republican Party , and their constant lax of taxes on Corporates, and to bail Wall street out of hock , is a F--KING crime!!!!! Funny , the rich protects the rich , and the poor gets to front the Bill!! Like I said it''s Socalism to the BONE. George W. Bush , you can go to hell!!!!!!!!!!!
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by vanron100 September 30, 2008 2:55 AM EDT

This ''bailout'' is America''s new crazy brand of ''Socialism''...without any of the benefits!

Nationalization of AIG, makes the US government owner of the world''s largest insurance company with $5.5 trillion in liabilities.
Nationalization of the finance industry, increases the debt to American citizens to $14.8 trillion.

And all the ''players'' both past and present will continuing to reap $$$ rewards!
The other 95% will continue to lose pensions, 401k, insurance benefits, security benefits, health benefits, paychecks and homes.
No wonder citizens hate their government so much... 18% approval rating and ''crashing''.

This ''bailout'' cannot go forward in it''s present form.

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by themimi1 September 30, 2008 2:06 AM EDT
And it''s real easy for a guy who owns 7 houses to tell us peopns out here WE need to come up with the cash! I don''t have any to give!I''m doing all I can just to stay afloat as it is! If it isn''t on sale, I can''t buy it! And the bigger the markdown the better, So if they have to take less on those loans, they need to do it! If they have to take 20 cents on the dollar, fine!
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by themimi1 September 30, 2008 1:48 AM EDT
If you haven''t been reading, EVEN IF THEY PASS THE BAILOUT, HOME PRICES ARE GOING TO CONTINUE TO DELINE, JOBLESSNESS IS EXPECTED TO REACH 7.5%, FUEL PRICES AND GROCERY PRICES ARE EXPECTED TO RISE. So what are we getting for this bailout? Investors won''t go broke! And who profits from investment money? The same jerks that got us into this mess to begin with! We''re being conned here- and it''s a big one! They expect to break us over like a shotgun and load us up with an enormous debt we''ll never be able to pay off! Not on my watch, if I have anything to say about it. They made this mess- let them fork over all those billions in profits and learn to live with what they''ve got!
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by themimi1 September 30, 2008 1:43 AM EDT
Get a grip people! Your grandparents lived through a depression, you can, too! You won''t be able to hang onto the plush lifestyle you''ve enjoyed up to now, but you won''t die from the loss. Sometimes you have to start from nothing to be able to see what you really DO have! Your grandparents piled in with their parents and siblings and they learned how to live together and pool their resources. My family lived on flap jacks and salt pork and used half the beans they had to plant and grow more for food! You can do it! You can make your wat through this- you may not think you can- but you will.
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by shingles1 September 30, 2008 1:35 AM EDT
Washington Monthly:

What''s odd is how easy it is to expose McCain''s claims as ridiculous. He didn''t put his campaign "on hold for a couple of days"; McCain never actually suspended his campaign at all. He didn''t "fight for a rescue plan"; McCain never actually fought for any plan at all.

McCain may not think he likes to "simply phone in it," but when the bailout negotiations were ongoing, McCain literally phoned in it. Fighters may belong "in the arena," but when policy makers were hammering out the details of the proposal, McCain was hanging out a fancy restaurant with Joe Lieberman.

On Thursday afternoon -- ostensibly the time McCain was working on this issue for the first time -- McCain "rarely came close to the Capitol suites and committee rooms where the talks were taking place." He went to a meeting at the White House, where he proceeded to sit silently while others worked on the legislation. On late Thursday afternoon, after smiling for the cameras, McCain was back in one of his several homes by 6 p.m.

And yet, today, McCain wants Ohio voters to think he''s some kind of hero, working tirelessly to craft bailout legislation. He really does think voters are fools.
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by themimi1 September 30, 2008 1:32 AM EDT
It''s about time congress grew some b---s! They''ve been dancing to Wall Street''s tune for so long, now, and in bed with big business so many times, it was beginning to smell like a pron movie!! They talk about the tools in their tool kit and working with what they have-- they sound like dejected lovers!! Like I said Give the American people enough to pay off the bad loans, it will ultimately cost less than giving these people a trillion dollars! We will pay off what ewe owe, and you can raise our taxes enough to cover it and we won''t suffer nearly as much as if you give it to these guys! They''ll just do a pencil adjustment and in a few years we''ll have to do it all over again!! They want to sell the government the loans at the inflated value, interest and all- if you give it to the people, make it illegal for mortgage holders to charge a fee to pay off the loan early, and make people account for the money they paid at tax time, so they won''t just pocket the money and end in default again. I only owed $38000 when they reposessed my house, but by the time they tacked on all sorts of stuff, it''s now at $70,000. I never want to see my kids or grand-babies have to go through the things I''ve seen. So if we have to take our medicine and the market goes through the floor- so be it!
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by ragnar30066 September 30, 2008 12:39 AM EDT
This evidently is not as urgent a crisis as it has been made out to be. Bush has been trying to prevent it going back to 2001, and McCain has been trying to prevent going back to 2005.

So why does it now crystallize, almost at the exact same time that absentee voting begins? I guess for the same reason that some people were wanting us to lose the war, or to suffer another catastrophic hurricane.

For some people, power is everything, and the ends justify the means.

The voters need to vote on that!
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by dudeky September 30, 2008 12:37 AM EDT
YOU PEOPLE IN WASHINGTON ARE NOT THE LEAST BIT WORRIED ABOUT LITTLE PEOPLE LIKE ME....YOU HAVE ALL THE MONEY YOU NEED AND YU SIT UP THERE IN ALL YOUR RICHES AND LET US SUFFER......ONLY WORKING PART TIME AND STILL HAVE TO PAY MY MORTAGE.....AND DO WITHOUT IN OTHER AREAS.....YOU ARE NOT KIDDING ANYONE WHO HAS ONE EYE AND HALF SENSE.....YOU ARE WANTING IN THE POSITIONS FOR MONEY NOT BECAUSE YOU CARE ABOUT US OR AMERICA...YOU CARE ABOUT YOURSELF AND ALL THE MONEY YOU CAN GET.....IF ALL OF US MADE THE SAME AMOUNT NO MATTER THE JOB WE WULD ALL THEN BE EQUAL....YOU ARE NOT RUNNING FOR US BUT FOR WHAT YOU CAN GET ........
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by dudeky September 30, 2008 12:31 AM EDT
WHY SHOULD WE EVEN CONSIDER PAULSON DOING ANYTHING....WAS HE NOT ALREADY IN CHARGE AND GOT US HERE?????WAKE-UP PEOPLE WE CANNOT KEEP ON LETTING THESE NUTS RUN OURS LIVES ANYMORE....IF THERE WAS SOME WAY TO TOTALY REGROUP....GET RID OF THEM ALL AND START FROM SCRATCH....WANT TO GO HELP ME GET IT DONE???WE COULD SURELY NOT DO ANY WORSE THAN ANY ONE IN THE PAST......
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by dudeky September 30, 2008 12:28 AM EDT
I AM AFRAID OF BOTH OF THESE FOOLS...WE DO NOT STAND A CHANCE IN HELL OF GETTING OUR COUNTRY BACK....PALIN CANNOT DO IT ON HER OWN AND OBAMA IS NOT SMART ENOUGH..SO WE ARE DOOMED....IF THESE FOOLS WOULD HAVE BEEN DOING SOMETHING FOR YEARS LIKE 25 TO 30 YEARS AGO WE MAY BE OK BUT NOT NOW.....IT IS NOT MORE ONE PARTY THAN THE OTHER.....IT IS PEOPLE IN AMERICA.....WE HAVE PUT IN THESE POSITIONS...AND NOW THEY HAVE FAILED US ALL.....
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by dudeky September 30, 2008 12:20 AM EDT
WE ARE NOT GOING TO GET OUT OF THIS FAST......IT TOOK YEARS TO GET HERE AND WE ARE NOT GETTING OUT FAST....DO NOT FEEL EITHER ONE OF THESE CANDIDATES CAN GET US OUT EITHER.....BUSH SHOULD HAVE TO COME UP WITH THE MONEY HIM AND HIS GOONS....
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by gsegreto-2009 September 29, 2008 11:41 PM EDT
The failure is in the court of the executive branch. Paulson knew of this for many months and likely for several years. He failed to take steps to avoid this. Then he compounded the crisis by announcing a made up deadline. We can easily place the blame for this on the shoulders of Paulson and Bernake.
This bill is necessary only if we refuse to consider alternatives. Scrap the Paulson plan and start over. Since the concern is to get loans flowing to American businesses, find a way to fund regional and local banks all across the country and cut out those who perpetrated this debacle. The market will hand them their verdict.
We need options for those in default of the mortgage. I further suggest that every adjustable rate loan in the country be given the option to renegotiate into a fixed rate without qualification so long as their payments are on time. If homeowners are making what ever sacrifice they need to in order to keep their home then we need to allow them to continue to do that.
As for Paulson and Bernake, they need to be stripped of their positions. There is no way that they were ignorant of this situation more than 12 months ago. I suspect they knew it was coming for several years. But they did nothing. They allowed it to brew to a crisis and then used it as an attempt to grab still more power. Replace Paulson and begin the process of minimizing the power of the Federal Reserve.
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