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September 7, 2008 8:08 PM

Biden Wants McCain Plan Beyond "Victory" In Iraq

(CBS)
From CBS News' Ryan Corsaro:

(KALISPELL, MT.) - Joe Biden demanded to know more from John McCain about his plans for Iraq beyond a declaration of victory.

“I’ve never heard John utter a word about what he's going to do after. After, quote, he establishes victory in Iraq,” said Biden aboard his campaign plane today.

“What's he going to do about Syria? Turkey? Iran? Saudi Arabia? What's he going to do to have some reason to believe whatever is worked out, that Iraqi's neighbors are going to sign on to it? And tell me, how is it possible to have a long term stable, stable Iraq, free and open without some regional understanding of Iraq's independence?”

Then, Biden was asked if he still supported a tripartite plan for Iraq, which would divide power up amongst religious sects of Kurds, Shiites, and Sunnis.

For those who know and have covered Biden - who has never been accused of being at a loss for words - they won't be shocked to hear that his response to that one question lasted 13 minutes.

Biden said that he believed the Iraqi government and the Bush administration are currently working such a plan out – adding that Iraq could be divided up into more, or even less, than three areas.

“I said there's a half a dozen ways you can implement this plan. I don't have any -- it wasn't three areas, it doesn't have to be five, it can be two, it can be seven. But there's got to be a way where we finally, if you have peace, [say] ‘Hey, I'm a Shia. I'm not going to kill your Sunni family. And you don't have to worry the Kurds are going to come and get you, because the Kurds are basically with you.’"

Biden called on international involvement to provide stability in order to enforce peace in the region.

“Barack and I -- I have laid this out in painful detail for two years as Barack has. That's why we've called for a regional conference. That's why we talked about the need to bring the permanent five of the United Nations [Security Council] in to give the imprimatur to this. To make it clear to Iran, Syria, Turkey, Saudi Arabia, hands off. Hands off. Whatever deal the Iraqis work out, you've got to stand by.”

Biden, dressed in a blue polo shirt and khakis, then defended Barack Obama over criticism that Obama does not have enough experience with foreign policy.

“Come on. It's time that we had people who understand, understand what's going on in Iraq. Not just sloganeering. Not just sloganeering. And the irony is, the guy who supposedly has the least experience among us, Barack Obama, got it right fourteen, fifteen months ago. He said, ‘Look, let's transfer – let's be as responsible getting out as irresponsibly we were getting in.’ And then he said we need a timeline here. And you're going to go ahead and hand off authority gradually to Iraqis, and what are you going to do? You're going to pull out American combat forces.”

Biden, who is currently chairman of the Senate's Foreign Relations Committee, argued that Obama’s suggestion coincides with plans currently being made in Washington and Baghdad, which Biden expects on his desk in the next month.

“If reports are correct, and my information is based on the State Department and others, what is Maliki demanding? And what is Bush agreeing to? A timeline to draw down American combat troops. A gradual hand off of police authority and military authority to the Iraqis. Who's the only guy, major figure in America who's standing outside that agreement? John McCain. John.”

“So what I, what confuses me and it does confuse me about John McCain and Sarah Palin's position on Iraq is, tell me the end of the story, John. Victory sounds wonderful. We're all for victory. What do you mean by victory?”

In an e-mail, McCain campaign spokesman Ben Porritt told CBS News, “Senator Obama is the only one who continues to advocate an unconditional withdrawal in Iraq, contrary to the Iraqi plan, and contrary to the advice of our generals on the ground. We now know that he stubbornly sticks to this position because the Obama-Biden ticket doesn't believe victory in Iraq is possible. This explains why Senator Obama tried to legislate failure, opposed the surge, and voted against funding for our troops in harm's way--a vote that no amount of rhetoric can explain.”
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by realidad-2009 September 9, 2008 1:26 AM EDT
September 2007: McCain voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments. At the time, nearly 65% of people polled in a CNN poll indicted that "things are going either moderately badly or very badly in Iraq.

May 2006: McCain voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.

April 2006: McCain was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.

March 2006: McCain voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.

A Military Hero, or McBush with 95% Bush Vote in Congress?
McCain "Supports Bush/Cheney Iraq War of Choice and Continued Oil Occupation... For Next 100 Years if Needed For Victory"!

McCain Does Not Care About American Soldiers and Their Families!
McCain - me first, country second- ONLY CARES ABOUT HIMSELF!
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by misha128-2009 September 8, 2008 11:31 AM EDT
McCain should explain this -

Sunni regions were considerably less organized than the Shiite and Kurdish regions because of their initial violence levels and non-participation were not aided with the passage of the Reconciliation Law. The Reconciliation Law (a falsely claimed success), intended to reinstate qualified Sunnis excluded in the initial post-war setup of the government, backfired as significant numbers of "previously qualified" Sunnis were disqualified (not expected) and fewer "previously disqualified" Sunnis were reinstated than expected.

Further indications of failure came with the backsliding provincial elections (another claimed success) as first delayed and then canceled for 2008. The Sunnis remain under represented and their regions remain disorganized due to a boycott of the national elections and the cancellation of provincial elections.

The formal sharing of oil revenues between the Shiites, Sunnis and Kurds is only a interim agreement as the Oil Law is not completed.

Sunnis insurgents (most are still disqualified by the government) were paid and guaranteed future jobs (government) by US forces in exchange for their cooperation (the "Anbar Awakening") cannot be satisfied with the proceeding issues. Especially considering the risks associated with the pending withdrawal of US troops, opening the real possibility for civil war a between the factions considering all the unresolved issues.

Does this even sound like winning or diplomatic failure?
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by PacificGatePost September 8, 2008 5:27 AM EDT

MOST MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS SLID INTO THE SWAMP

The Dems and Reps are left to sell their leaders to America.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/09/dems-and-republicans-now-sell-what-they.html

Image is now everything. The real challenges have vacated consciousness.

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by PacificGatePost September 8, 2008 5:27 AM EDT

MOST MAINSTREAM MEDIA HAS SLID INTO THE SWAMP

The Dems and Reps are left to sell their leaders to America.

http://pacificgatepost.blogspot.com/2008/09/dems-and-republicans-now-sell-what-they.html

Image is now everything. The real challenges have vacated consciousness.

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by claydowner September 8, 2008 3:12 AM EDT
The Isrealis have had many conventional military victories in the Middle East in 1948, 1956, 1967, and 1973. Yet they ended up fighting terrorism for all the years in between each conventional war. Lebanon has also been ongoing flashpoint since 1978 with invasion and occupation from 1982 until the mid 1990''s. Then more warfare in 2006.

Is there such a thing as "victory" under such circumstances? Forgive me but all I see is an endless cycle of violence, death, warfare, and terrorism. Iran is developing ballistic missiles. Syria buying new missiles from Russia all with the range to target Israeli cities. What will an Israeli Prime Minister do when a 1200lb missile warhead lands on a school killing children? Push button missile warfare might unleash regional terrorism and conventional warfare without regard to civilian casualties. Oil prices might well go through the roof hitting $200 per barrel and $7 or $8 per gallon causing a huge economic meltdown in the West. The only way we can "win" is to eliminate imported oil forever. If not Americans will get caught up in this endless cycle of violence a push button away from holocaust.
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by jone775 September 8, 2008 2:39 AM EDT
cacatua08: Amen! Sadly, those who think with their guns instead of their brains currently run the show in the U.S. Will we be the next "greatest generation," or, will we be akin to the rotten society of 1936 Germany with the facism and what not?
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by cacatua08 September 8, 2008 12:15 AM EDT
If you know anything about the Middle East then you know that they have long memories and bide their time in order to settle old scores. There will never be a "victory" over there in the sense that McCain understands, or doesn''t understand it. Bush and the neocons seemed to think it would be a walk in the park. Talk about being out of touch with reality! But then that''s what happens when you throw out the Arabists when you come to town and replace them with "yes men". At least Obama wants to surround himself with a cabinet of people who will challenge him on issues so that all angles are considered.

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