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August 18, 2008 12:29 PM

McCain's "Cone Of Silence" At Saddleback

At Saddleback Church's Saturday evening "civil forum" with the presidential candidates, it was Barack Obama who sat down first with Pastor Rick Warren. Warren asked Obama the same questions he would later ask Obama rival John McCain – though he noted that McCain was in a "cone of silence" and could not hear the questions in advance.

As the New York Times reports, however, McCain was not in a "cone of silence" during Obama's questioning. Instead, he was in his motorcade on his way to the church. McCain's performance at the forum was considered strong, and some Obama supporters speculated that the Arizona senator heard the questions in advance.

McCain spokeperson Nicolle Wallace, a former CBS News consultant, told the Times last night that "[t]he insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous."

Warren's first question for McCain was a joking reference to his comfort level in the "cone of silence." The presumptive GOP nominee quipped that he "was trying to hear through the wall.”

The McCain campaign, meanwhile, is protesting discussing on NBC News about whether or not McCain had access to the questions. As Politico reports, campaign manager Rick Davis sent a letter requesting a meeting with the news network's president. He suggests the network is "abandoning non-partisan coverage of the presidential race."

In the letter, Davis objects to a statement by NBC's Andrea Mitchell on "Meet The Press." Mitchell said on the program that some in the Obama campaign were suggesting "that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama. He seemed so well prepared."

A McCain aide told Politico that "Senator McCain was in a motorcade led by the United States Secret Service and held in a green room with no broadcast feed."

"Andrea Mitchell is repeating, uncritically, a completely unsubstantiated Obama campaign claim that John McCain somehow cheated in last night's forum at Saddleback Church," Davis wrote in the letter. "Instead of trying to substantiate this blatant falsehood in any way, Andrea Mitchell felt that she needed to repeat it on air to millions of 'Meet the Press' viewers..."

Asked about the criticism, Mitchell said she wasn't expressing an opinion but merely "reporting what they were saying."

UPDATE: Mike Allen writes that "Pastor Rick Warren, in an effort to increase the candidates’ comfort level with his pioneering format, gave each of them a heads-up on several of the hardest questions he asked Saturday night."

"A source close to Warren tells Playbook that the candidates knew in advance they would be asked their own greatest moral failure, America’s greatest moral failure, and the three wisest people in their lives," writes Allen. "The source said Obama also knew he would be asked if he’d be willing to commit to an emergency plan for orphans, like President Bush has for AIDS."

UPDATE #2: Beliefnet had an interview with Warren after the event. Check out this portion:
BELIEFNET: A source at the debate tells me that McCain had access to some communications devices in the few minutes before he went on stage with you and that there was a monitor in his green room, in violation of the debate rules.

WARREN: That's absolutely a lie, absolutely a lie. That room was totally free, with no monitors--a flat out lie.

Full Rick Davis letter, via Politico, below.


August 17, 2008
Mr. Steve Capus
President, NBC News
30 Rockefeller Plaza
New York, NY 10112

Steve:

We are extremely disappointed to see that the level of objectivity at NBC News has fallen so low that reporters are now giving voice to unsubstantiated, partisan claims in order to undercut John McCain.

Nowhere was this more evident than with NBC chief correspondent Andrea Mitchell's comments on "Meet the Press" this morning. In analyzing last night's presidential forum at Saddleback Church, Mitchell expressed the Obama campaign spin that John McCain could only have done so well last night because he "may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama." Here are Andrea Mitchell's comments in full:

Mitchell: "The Obama people must feel that he didn't do quite as well as they might have wanted to in that context, because what they are putting out privately is that McCain may not have been in the cone of silence and may have had some ability to overhear what the questions were to Obama. He seemed so well-prepared." (NBC's "Meet The Press," 8/17/08)

Make no mistake: This is a serious charge. Andrea Mitchell is repeating, uncritically, a completely unsubstantiated Obama campaign claim that John McCain somehow cheated in last night's forum at Saddleback Church. Instead of trying to substantiate this blatant falsehood in any way, Andrea Mitchell felt that she needed to repeat it on air to millions of "Meet the Press" viewers with no indication that 1.) There's not one shred of evidence that it's true; 2.) In his official correspondence to both campaigns, Pastor Rick Warren provided both candidates with information regarding the topic areas to be covered, which Barack Obama acknowledged during the forum when asked about Pastor Warren's idea of an emergency plan for orphans and Obama said, "I cheated a little bit. I actually looked at this idea ahead of time, and I think it is a great idea;" 3.) John McCain actually requested that he and Barack Obama do the forum together on stage at the same time, making these kinds of after-the-fact complaints moot.

Indeed, instead of taking a critical journalistic approach to this spin, Andrea Mitchell did what has become a pattern for her of simply repeating Obama campaign talking points.

This is irresponsible journalism and sadly, indicative of the level of objectivity we have witnessed at NBC News this election cycle. Instead of examining the Obama campaign's spin for truth before reporting it to more than 3 million NBC News viewers, Andrea Mitchell simply passed along Obama campaign conspiracy theories. The fact is that during Senator Obama's segment at Saddleback last night, Senator McCain was in a motorcade to the event and then held in a green room with no broadcast feed. In the forum, John McCain clearly demonstrated to the American people that he is prepared to be our next President.....

We are concerned that your News Division is following MSNBC's lead in abandoning non-partisan coverage of the Presidential race. We would like to request a meeting with you as soon as possible to discuss our deep concerns about the news standards and level of objectivity at NBC.

Sincerely,

Rick Davis
Campaign Manager
John McCain 2008
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by meek33 August 18, 2008 1:07 PM PDT
Some of Huck''s Army has gone rouge., theyve started a petition asking Huckabee to leave the GOP, and start a new party. http://www.mccanes.com/newparty.html
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by DCropp August 18, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
Funny McCain''s own campaign admits he wasn''t in the cone of silence that Warren claimed he was in.

Now McCain acts like a victim.

Either Warren lied or McCain refused to abide by the rules. Which is it Senator McCain?

Gotta love McCain''s staff using blackberries. Davis knows that text messages get purged quickly, so they were receiving the questions via text. In other words, McCain did not have to "listen" to the questions being asked to Obama.
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by averageguy7 August 18, 2008 1:32 PM PDT
*Before* Warren asked him about the Supreme Court, McCain asked Warren "Are we gonna get back to the issue of Supreme Court justices?"

Whoops. The poor old man got confused by his own cheating!

Pitiful.
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by memekiller August 18, 2008 1:35 PM PDT
The amusing thing to me is how McCain''s base has attempted to insulate McCain from all his campaign blunders by saying he''s not knowledgeable or in control of all the campaign decisions most people would find abhorrent.

In this case, there is some truth to it. Like Bush, McCain has become a cog in a big Republican machine, and their using his POW "brand" just as they used W''s last name, for marketing purposes, but it''s still the GOP machine pulling the levers.

We can''t blame McCain for his campaign, because the campaign is in charge of him.
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by armydog2 August 18, 2008 1:46 PM PDT
agent maxwell smart,that definitely is mccain. wonder where 99 is?
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by underbear1 August 18, 2008 1:51 PM PDT
McCHEATER

McCain would never cheat....

on something other than his disabled disfigured First Wife
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by jedi080808 August 18, 2008 1:55 PM PDT
Obama lost so McCain must of cheated.... What a bunch of bull. Obama is in big trouble, McCain has been running circles around him ever since he went overseas
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by ringokid1 August 18, 2008 1:57 PM PDT
Either McCain cheated or he''s clearly the right guy to lead our country. He made Obama look rather pitiful. I don''t blame the Obama campaign for putting out the possibility that McCain cheated. They''ve got to do something cause their "rockstar" is beginning to look like a freshman senator from Illinois;) Ladies and gents - let the general begin and may the best man win! This is going to be fun!
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by ringokid1 August 18, 2008 2:06 PM PDT
one more thing - yee haw!
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by seah5 August 18, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
Obama campaign and supporters are really desperate.

The bottom line, each were asked questions, It was not a thing that they could look up the answers for a test.

Personal Questions, So what either answered with was their personal choice of answers.

If they did not answer right, that is their own personal fault, no one else. They could of said anything they wanted to.

Obama campaign always has to find something wrong with everything, blame and condemn people.

Time for Obama and his supporters to Grown up. If Obama did not answer the way he wanted to. Let him contact the press and set up and interview and tell the people what he would like to about himself, his convictions and his religion.

No need to attack, condemn someone else for their answers.
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by karronna August 18, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
bswalker12,

wow you sound like such a true Christian...LOL
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by smiley676 August 18, 2008 2:28 PM PDT
If you look at the candidate''s past performance, you will note that Obama is never as good "off the cuff" as McCain is.

That is not to say that Obama is bad at non-scripted speaking. But for some reason, when McCain doesn''t have a script he sounds well-rehearsed and put together. Obama often sounds like he doesn''t know how to get his point across.

I hope McCain didn''t hear the questions (it offends my sense of fairness); however, the fact that McCain sounded better isn''t a suprise at all.

When they do their scripted speeches, Obama always sounds better. It''s just presentation style.
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by karronna August 18, 2008 2:29 PM PDT
bswalker 12,

judge not lest ye be judged.
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by allurfears August 18, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
McCheater. More Karl Rove politics from the "crooked talk express". Let''s see how well he does in the debates when he can''t get the questions ahead of time.
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by mattcat25 August 18, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
Inciting war for profit to support the military industrial complex economy could be construed as %u201Cbaby killers%u201D too.

GOP = Moral Hypocrisy

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by smiley676 August 18, 2008 2:34 PM PDT
Hey Rick? Everyone knows it''''s the Republican way to cheat. It''''s been happening for the past 8 years....


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Posted by raflin1

Well, if you want to talk about cheating, I suppose you should look at Edwards, Clinton, and Spitzer. Or the fact that Gore tried to win the election in the Courts. Or that the Dems said they would get the troops out, but the troops are still there. Or that Obama said he would support stronger punishments against sexual offenders, but then voted present.

But the republicans cheat too, as you pointed out. Just be careful when you are pointing at someone else, you still have a lot of fingers pointing at you.
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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 2:38 PM PDT
Good grief, the man has lied every single day of his campaign and it is well documented.
The idea that he somehow is above cheating is unreal! He is a Republican, isn''t he?
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by smiley676 August 18, 2008 2:40 PM PDT
Good grief, the man has lied every single day of his campaign and it is well documented.
The idea that he somehow is above cheating is unreal! He is a Republican, isn''''t he?


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Posted by truthmatterz

List the lies. Baseless accusations mean nothing.
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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 2:43 PM PDT
The McCain campaign is trying to get even with Andrea Mitchell, She was on the overseas trip with Obama.
When Johnny M. and his campaign made up lies about Obama not visiting the troops and why, she called them out on their lies on national TV.
She said she was there, it flat out didn''t happen the way the McCain''s were spinning it and putting out phony ads about it.
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by smiley676 August 18, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
Obama not visiting the troops and why, she called them out on their lies on national TV.
She said she was there, it flat out didn''''t happen the way the McCain''''s were spinning it and putting out phony ads about it.


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Posted by truthmatterz

Actually, it did happen. He was offered a chance to visit the troops, but was told he couldn''t bring the media. He chose a media rich forum instead. Ask the troops how it happened. Actually Obama''s campaign admits that this is what happened, they just say it in a nicer way.
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by underbear1 August 18, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
Obama should graciously offer McCHEATER the oppurtunity to clear up any doubts of his not being sequestered at Warren''s forum.
Suggest an open air Faith Forum (no tickets everyone weklcome) moderated by a progressive clergy person, and have McCHEATER sit in a glass sound proof box for an hour on stage.
If McCain refuses, let Americans make up their own minds WHY.
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by karronna August 18, 2008 2:47 PM PDT
Here''s my thinking on this negative ad thing (for what it''s worth)....they WORK! Thing is, everytime I hear "I''m John McCain and I approve this message" at the end of the ad....it leaves a bad taste in my mouth for McCain. I want to dig into every nitty gritty crappy piece of info I can find on mr MCain and get it out there for the world to see, but I DON''T want to hear Senator Obama endorsing it at the end. Challenge -----to everyone who feels like me...go donate at least $25 to moveon.org and let''s let them help him fight.....
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 2:48 PM PDT
I see the media is out it again.McCain kicks Obama''s asss and the media tries to save him.Makes you wonder where Obama is spending the 51 million from last month.
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by underbear1 August 18, 2008 2:50 PM PDT
McCHEATER

McCain would never cheat....

on something other than his disabled disfigured FIRST WIFE.
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by underbear1 August 18, 2008 2:51 PM PDT
Doesn''t cheating on a Faith Forum have it''s own Circle of Hell?
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 2:51 PM PDT
This is BS.McCain hss offered to go head to head at townhalls for months.Obama is scared to face him.Now we see why.Wait until the debayes.This was just a sample...
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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 2:54 PM PDT
List the lies. Baseless accusations mean nothing.

Posted by smiley676
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I am happy to list a few of John McCain''s lies.

Signing of the GI Bill: Now enthusiastically for it... after it passed. Previously attacked it, said it was too generous for veterans who had only been to Iraq once or twice.. Didn''t even bother to vote on it.

Campaign reform: On political reform, McCain last January opposed a grassroots lobbying bill he once supported. In 2006, the "New York Sun" reported that his presidential ambitions led McCain to reverse his support of a campaign financial bill called McCain/Feingold.

Alien Minors Act/Immigration: Last October he said he would vote against the development, relief and education for Alien Miners Act that he co-sponsored, and then said he would vote against an immigration bill that he introduced.


Gay Marriage: In 2006, he said on "HARDBALL," quote, I think that gay marriage should be allowed. Then after the commercial break he added, I do not believe that gay marriages should be legal.


Abortion: On abortion, 1999, publicly supporting Roe v. Wade, privately opposing it in a letter to the National Right to Life Committee. In the 2000 debates, he would change the GOP platform to permit exceptions for rape, incest, the life of the mother. May 2007, "flipped", ABCNews.com reported.

Nuclear Waste: No Storing Nuclear waste at Yucca mountain earlier..now flipped

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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 2:55 PM PDT
Maybe Obama suffers brain damage from all the drugs he was on.
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by nirak2-2009 August 18, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
How can you tell when a Republican is lying?
When he openends his Mouth.
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
Obama did say he was on drugs.
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by fredeferg August 18, 2008 2:57 PM PDT
It may come as a surprise to some that there are reasons why you have rules in this type of forum--to preserve the presumption of impartiality by which the parties agreed to appear at Saddleback in the first place. It is ironic that the McCain camp is now trying to accuse NBC of being partial. [1] You can''t have it both ways. There is absolutely no doubt that McCain had an obligation to inform Rick Warren and the viewers that he was not in fact in the agreed %u201Ccone of silence%u201D. To have not done so now makes it appear as if Rick Warren was complicit in this ruse which I believe he was not. It highlights the degree of moral compromise that McCain is willing to accept in order to get what he wants. McCain obviously believes that the ends justify the means. Now that is a character issue.
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
Obama did say he was on drugs.If it''a a lie.He told it....
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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 2:58 PM PDT
List the lies. Baseless accusations mean nothing.

Posted by smiley676
*****************************
********
a few more of John McCain''''s lies.

Negotiating with Cuba/Castro: With Fidel Castro acceptable in 2000, not 2008.

Negotiating with Hamas/Terrorists: ...with terrorists appropriate when Colin Powell went to Syria and in 2006 when McCain said sooner or later we%u2018ll talk to Hamas, but not appropriate now re: Obama''s willingness to use diplomacy.

Pakistan: Unilateral action against suspected terrorists in Pakistan; "Confused leadership" when Obama suggested it, not when Bush did it.

Warrantless Wire-taps: Six months ago, presidents had to obey the law, not anymore.

Torture: Torture detainees, no way, except for the CIA. Hold them indefinitely, wrong in 2003, the right move in 2008.

Iraq War: The Iraq war, the right course 2004, stay the course 2005. Today, McCain has always been a Rumsfeld critic.

Tax Cuts: In 2001, he could not in good conscious support them. Now he can.

Estate Tax: 2006, "I agree with President Roosevelt who created it". In 2008, "most unfair".

Privatizing Social Security: This month not for privatizing Social Security, never has been. In 2004, he "didn%u2018t see how benefits will last without it".

Balanced Budget: In February, promised a balanced budget in four years by April, make that eight years.

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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
List the lies. Baseless accusations mean nothing.

Posted by smiley676
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a few more of John McCain''''''''s lies.

Windfall Profits Tax: In May, glad to look at the windfall profits tax. By June, that was Jimmy Carter''s big idea.

Offshore Drilling: In 2000, no new off shore drilling. Last month, it would take years to develop. This month, very helpful in the short term.

Coyotes..Bush Big Time Fund Raisers: The Bush fund-raisers McCain called coyotes breaking the law in 2000. By 2006, they were co-chairing McCain fund-raisers.

"Agents of Intolerance": Buddy Jerry Falwell...an "agent of intolerance in 2000". Kissed Falwell''s *** in 2007... The Reverend Hagee and Parsley in, then out this year alone.

Martin Luther King Holiday: In 1983, opposed Martin Luther King Day. Today, all for it.

Confederate Flag: In 2000, defended South Carolina''s confederate flag as a symbol of heritage. Two years later, McCain calling it, quote, an act of political cowardice not to say the flag should come down. Quote, "everybody said, look out. You can''t win in South Carolina if you say that."

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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 3:00 PM PDT
Obama said he was on drugs.Maybe he suffers brain damage.
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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 3:01 PM PDT
List the lies. Baseless accusations mean nothing.

Posted by smiley676
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and still a few more of John McCain''s lies.

Evolution in Public Schools: In 2005, McCain said alternatives to evolution should be taught in school. "Evolving" the opposite position he had taken in 2000.
http://thinkprogress.org/...

Restoring the Everglades: On June 5, John McCain traveled to the Everglades to win over Floridians and environmentally-minded voters. There he proclaimed, "I am in favor of doing whatever%u2019s necessary to save the Everglades." Sadly, as ThinkProgress documented, McCain not only opposed $2 billion in funding for the restoration of the Everglades national park, he backed President Bush%u2019s veto of the legislation in 2007. "I believe," he said, "that we should be passing a bill that will authorize legitimate, needed projects without sacrificing fiscal responsibility."
http://www.crooksandliars.com/...
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
Cut and paste all you want I will keep posting.Obama said he was on drugs.Do we want a president that say''s he was on drugs.DRUGS DRUGS DRUGS !!!!!
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by underbear1 August 18, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
Obama be the BIGGER man, call McCain''s campaign and tell them you forgive John for not abiding by Rick Warren''s forum''s rules.
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by wellhell3 August 18, 2008 3:04 PM PDT
So Obscamma lies and accuses McCain of cheating! Hogwarsh! They both had the questions beforehand or you can bet Obscamma wouldn''t have show up! I mean his teleprompter was loaded up with Matthew 25, he took it very slow so he could say the exact words he memorized...

Too bad it looked like he was going to puke every time he quoted a scripture or talked about faith.
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 3:06 PM PDT
An Anti-American Racist-ON DRUGS...
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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 3:06 PM PDT
Maybe Obama suffers brain damage from all the drugs he was on.

Posted by mr2258 at 02:55 PM : Aug 18, 2008
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I am surprised, that coming from a girl like you who clearly does have mental problems that you would try to push that onto somebody else, especially one who has a rare gift of the combination of high intelligence as well as common sense..
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by underbear1 August 18, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
mr2258
I doubt you want to bring up drug addiction,
Cindy McBigBucks...a.k.a "the pillionaire"

is kinda touchy on the subject
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
Obama has zero common sense.
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by August 18, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
Please note, the McCain campaign has never denied that he cheated. They protested Andrea Mitchell reporting a rumor that was not "substantiated" and "the insinuation that a POW would lie". Hello?
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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 3:08 PM PDT
An Anti-American Racist-ON DRUGS...

Posted by mr2258
************************************* Yes sweetie pie, we already knew that about you, no need to advertise yourself.
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 3:11 PM PDT
Obama was the one that brougt up using drugs.
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
truthmatters--YOU got me.I was talking about Obama,but you knew that...
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by jayceer1 August 18, 2008 3:14 PM PDT
Just another example of media bias. In fact, Obama blurted out a response to one specific question about an emergency plan to help orphans: %u201CI cheated a little bit. I looked into this.%u201D What''s that? Was OBAMA revealing that he somehow received Warren%u2019s questions in advance and had time to prepare answers while McCain did not? I brief check into the transcript of this debate (which all journalists can easily do) would verify this.

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by dnsallday August 18, 2008 3:15 PM PDT
Actually, it did happen. He was offered a chance to visit the troops, but was told he couldn''''t bring the media. He chose a media rich forum instead. Ask the troops how it happened. Actually Obama''''s campaign admits that this is what happened, they just say it in a nicer way.

Posted by smiley676
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Gee the press who where there got it wrong, but somehow you have the inside scoop? Did you get it from the high school drop out sean hannity?

There was never any plan to bring the media to visit the hospital in Germany, just as he doesn''t bring media when he goes to other VA hospitals.
The pentagon said it would be considered a political trip if he went. He chose not to pull the wounded troops into the middle of a politics.
Of Course, that didn''t bother McCain, who dishonored himself and the troops as well as showing how little respect he has for Americans, by lying about the situation.
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by mr2258 August 18, 2008 3:16 PM PDT
Did Obama say what drugs he was using ???
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