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August 16, 2008 2:29 PM

Obama Birth Certificate Fuss "Ridiculous"

Anti-Obama and right-wing bloggers have been throwing more and more criticism against the wall to see what sticks. One of their more fanciful charges is that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, born in Hawaii in 1961, is not a U.S. citizen and therefore cannot be elected president.

In the face of Internet insinuations that the Illinois Senator was actually born somewhere outside the U.S. and therefore does not fall within Article II of the Constitution ("A natural born Citizen") and the 14th Amendment, Barack Obama's campaign has posted a copy of his birth certificate on its rumor-discrediting Web site, www.fightthesmears.com. But that still isn’t good enough for some skeptics.

Some Web chatterers question the authenticity of the document, pointing to the lack of a state seal on the online copy. Some also suggest a black rectangle (a redacted identification number, obscured by the state for security reasons) hides something more revealing.

Earlier this week The Honolulu Advertiser reported that Hawaii's Department of Health receives requests weekly for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. [It was their concern about the unending requests that prompted the Obama campaign to take action.]

Officials said that under the law only people with a "tangible interest" (parents, spouses or other relatives, or the subjects themselves) could obtain a copy.

"Our state law is very firm on information on vital records," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo told the Advertiser. "You cannot receive someone else's birth certificate — to protect the person's confidential information."

As for the persistent accusations that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, Okubo replied, "It's pretty ridiculous."

The ruckus recalls a similar controversy during the GOP primaries when the fact that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone — when his father was serving at a U.S. military base there — caused some to claim he was ineligible to serve as president, not having been "natural born" on U.S. soil.

A bipartisan team of lawyers declared earlier this year that McCain's 1936 birth to U.S. citizens outside the continental United States did not disqualify him from being president.
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by mindlessmissy August 16, 2008 3:16 PM PDT
These fools will do anything to make McSame win and some retards will believe the *** coming from these right wing nut jobs ...
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by tothestars2 August 16, 2008 3:38 PM PDT
I wonder why CBS news has no report on the racist remark of dnc leader dean about republicans as other news org. have?
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by zerato-2009 August 16, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
What was the right wing nuts trying to prove; that obama wasn''t born I am glad at least a hawaii official has stated the claim is ridiculous
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by greenfun August 16, 2008 3:41 PM PDT
How about those pumas?
The Denver groups commercial
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McfAVoR-C7A
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by cfin5 August 16, 2008 3:43 PM PDT
I expect every candidate to abide by the Constitution''s rules that are set for the qualifications to run for the Presidency. His Birth Certificate lacking the State Seal should be looked into by professionals trained in forgery. You can''t change the rules of the game after it starts people.
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by tothestars2 August 16, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
What has that same "bipartisan team of lawyers" declared about obambi?
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by meek33 August 16, 2008 3:45 PM PDT
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by verified-cbs August 16, 2008 3:50 PM PDT
.....and yet.....no matter how many times he is asked.....Obama still cant produce a birth certificate?
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by mcvet-1 August 16, 2008 4:11 PM PDT
Hey when you are as desperate as the Fascist are I guess you will try anything!! LOL
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by mcvet-1 August 16, 2008 4:12 PM PDT
I expect every candidate to abide by the Constitution''''s rules that are set for the qualifications to run for the Presidency. His Birth Certificate lacking the State Seal should be looked into by professionals trained in forgery. You can''''t change the rules of the game after it starts people.

Posted by cfin5 at 03:43 PM : Aug 16, 2008

We went through this Garbage in the State Of Illinois as well. The state official is right... it''s rediculous and is nothing but losers grasping at straws!!
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by mcvet-1 August 16, 2008 4:15 PM PDT
and yet.....no matter how many times he is asked.....Obama still cant produce a birth certificate?

Posted by Verified-CBS at 03:50 PM : Aug 16, 2008

He HAS produced it AND if you could read you''d KNOW the State Official says you losers are Ridiculous! Since you obviously aren''t educated enough to read and understand what that State Official Said, take this to a neighbors house... a 6th grader should do, they can READ it to you! LMAO Sieg Heil McSlime
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by mcvet-1 August 16, 2008 4:17 PM PDT
Since you are too ********* lazy to get any info on your own or even to click on the link in the article, I doubt you will paste this address into your browser. But here is a picture of his Birth Certificate from fight the smears:
http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO
_birthcert.jpg

Posted by azure11 at 04:14 PM : Aug 16, 2008

Yes but you have to first be educated enough to paste don''t you? I seriously doubt this 6th grade drop out can do that!
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by greenfun August 16, 2008 4:20 PM PDT
Azure11-you should consider an anger management class. Here is a commercial I am sure you will love.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McfAVoR-C7A
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by zerato-2009 August 16, 2008 4:24 PM PDT
....and yet.....no matter how many times he is asked.....Obama still cant produce a birth certificate?

Posted by Verified-CBS

Are you contesting the fact that he was not born? I think that you will lose on that one.

I guess you can not read! The state of hawaii has stated that the claim was ridiculous. Waht part of the english language do you not understand?
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by chika6 August 16, 2008 4:39 PM PDT
I can now see why the US economy is a mess - Republican party is full of dull and lazy people who can''t even understand english language not to talk of tell the truth to themselves. All the people who wants to have McCain as president at the risk of causing embarrassment to US are the enemy of the nation. What will people think about America should Mccain be elected president. Has US come so low as this? God forbid!
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by garbuck August 16, 2008 4:45 PM PDT
It''s really simple. Obama should authorize the Hawaiian authorities to release his birth certificate and related info to anyone who asks. As long as he doesn''t, the question will be, What''s he hiding?

It doesn''t work for him to obtain a copy and release it. Folks will always say it''s doctored in some way to hide something embarrassing or disqualifying.
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by allurfears August 16, 2008 4:46 PM PDT
The more these people make ridiculous accusations the stupider they look. I hope they continue- they only hurt their own cause.
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by August 16, 2008 4:51 PM PDT
The issue isn''t about Obama''s eligibilty as a US citizen, it''s about his veracity.

If it is proven that he has been touting a forged government document on his website then there is no way he can be considered honorable or truthful enough to lead the country.
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by mindlessmissy August 16, 2008 4:55 PM PDT
garbuck will YOU authorize you birth certificate to be released to the whole population of America ??

No one is that stupid and Sen. Obama sure isn''t ... so long as the government knows he IS eligible to run for POTUS he is eligible ...

If you don''t like it SUE HIM ...
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by August 16, 2008 5:06 PM PDT
McVet-1 is flat out wrong.

Obama has NOT released, or posted, his Birth Certificate.

He claims in one of his book to be in possession of it but that is not what you see on his website.

His Birth Certificate is a document issued at or soon after the time of birth.

What you see on his website is a "Certification of Live Birth" which is not the same thing. It is a document issued at any time at the request of the subject or their immediate family showing the details that were on the original Birth Certificate but is dated, embossed, and notarized as of the time of issue.

The document on Obama''s website is argued convincingly to be a forgery constructed from a COLB issued for his half sister Maya.

Why is anybody''s guess, but it is a serious problem if it proves to be true.
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by pr_boxer August 16, 2008 5:07 PM PDT
Again we see that the so called "Values" Republicans simply omit "honesty" as one of the values they choose to follow!
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by sanfelz August 16, 2008 5:10 PM PDT
Bush apologists and McCain supporters cannot find reasons to vote for their ancient flyboy so they pick absurd non-issues to attack Obama. Such sticklers for facts except when Bush lies about WMDs, reasons to invade another country and "Mission Accomplished".
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by polarik August 16, 2008 5:23 PM PDT
No, David, you''re totally off-the-mark. The alleged image copy of Obama''s "Cirth Certificate, actually, his "Certification of Live Birth," (COLB) is such a total fabrication that there is no other cdonclusion that can be reached.

I have the irrefutable evidence to back up that statement, too.

The only challenges to it have come from self-proclaimed "experts" who have made one non sequitur after the other, interspersed with a few ad hominem arguments.

I''ve been working on this controversy every day for the past two months, and I have provided a lot more than just a reasonable doubt.

Not only is it a contrivance - a totally forged image of a non-existent COLB, but I have demonstrated how it was actually make it -- something no one else has done.

So, if you like to continue promulgating lies to the American public, just keep your head in the sand, and we''ll go ahead without you.

If you actually wish to do some genuine investigative journalism, visit my blog, and read what I have to say about the biggest fraud in American political history.

polarik.blogtownhall.com
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by polarik August 16, 2008 5:37 PM PDT
No, David, you''re totally off-the-mark. The alleged image copy of Obama''s "Cirth Certificate, actually, his "Certification of Live Birth," (COLB) is such a total fabrication that there is no other cdonclusion that can be reached.

I have the irrefutable evidence to back up that statement, too.

The only challenges to it have come from self-proclaimed "experts" who have made one non sequitur after the other, interspersed with a few ad hominem arguments.

I''ve been working on this controversy every day for the past two months, and I have provided a lot more than just a reasonable doubt.

Not only is it a contrivance - a totally forged image of a non-existent COLB, but I have demonstrated how it was actually make it -- something no one else has done.

So, if you like to continue promulgating lies to the American public, just keep your head in the sand, and we''ll go ahead without you.

If you actually wish to do some genuine investigative journalism, visit my blog, and read what I have to say about the biggest fraud in American political history.

polarik.blogtownhall.com
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by wellhell3 August 16, 2008 5:44 PM PDT
Make the idiot prove up his birthright and qualifications and citizenship or boot his butt out of the country!

A passport proves NOTHING!

Where''s the ORIGINAL birth certificate!
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by polarik August 16, 2008 6:19 PM PDT
Sorry about the repetitive postings, but when I pressed the Publish button, it said that it was disabled.
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by jongood53 August 16, 2008 6:26 PM PDT
These crys of "ridiculous" and even worse from all these left wing pinkos only makes this whole thing worse.

After all, Sen. NObama by his own published writings admits he is a 50%-America at best.

His father was never American, not even naturalised.

And, his mother appears to have lived outside the US more than she lived on US soil.....What might you expect real Americans to be thinking the DemoTards might be giving us?
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by jongood53 August 16, 2008 6:30 PM PDT
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Yes! An important point is that Americans recognized our need and demanded change and sought a President who could lead again, and drafted Obama to run. Obama is not calling for change, he is answering the call.
Posted by andor3 Aug 15, 2008
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Please, let us get one thing absolutely clear....For about this, there is zero debate:

America did not "draft[] Obama to run."

The fascist who run the DNC disenfranchised the votes of sufficient numbers of DemoTard lemmings in the primary so they could use this secret "Super Delegate" network they control to install Sen. NObama as their puppet.

We''ve seen this exact tactic used every time a dictator has ever come to power.

I''ve told you folks time and again, we are witnessing Libtards doing exactly what they do best.....Working to destroy America as built, so they can implement the "CHANGE" as they rebuild it into the NEW AMERICA....

A MARXIST AMERICA that all DemoTards dream of.
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by ponca63 August 16, 2008 6:32 PM PDT
I do not know if birth certificate fake or not. I wish CBS would investigate to put this to rest and not simply poo poo it as they did with John Edwards affair. Has any news media checked or just believed Obama''s website? Guess we will wait for National Enquirer again. Sad and shame on the media.
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by ponca63 August 16, 2008 6:38 PM PDT
It is ridiculous if it can be disproven. The valid question is %u201Cwhy hasn%u2019t it been?%u201D.

I recall the Dan Rather fake but accurate documents. This should be easy to prove, but WHY will the media not investigate, go to Hawaii and find out?
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by imakana August 16, 2008 7:05 PM PDT
To those who want to get rid of Obama, I say: I''m a senior citizen, born and raised Republican. I am so dismayed at what that party has done to our country, I wouldn''t vote for a Republican no matter what they say. The Republican party is a disgrace!
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by imakana August 16, 2008 7:06 PM PDT
To those who want to get rid of Obama, I say: I''m a senior citizen, born and raised Republican. I am so dismayed at what that party has done to our country, I wouldn''t vote for a Republican no matter what they say. The Republican party is a disgrace!
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by imakana August 16, 2008 7:07 PM PDT
To those who want to get rid of Obama, I say: I''m a senior citizen, born and raised Republican. I am so dismayed at what that party has done to our country, I wouldn''t vote for a Republican no matter what they say. The Republican party is a disgrace!
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by imakana August 16, 2008 7:12 PM PDT
To those who want to get rid of Obama, I say: I''m a senior citizen, born and raised Republican. I am so dismayed at what that party has done to our country, I wouldn''t vote for a Republican no matter what they say. The Republican party is a disgrace!
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by wellhell3 August 16, 2008 7:13 PM PDT
AGAIN!

Make the idiot prove up his birthright and qualifications and citizenship or boot his butt out of the country!

A passport proves NOTHING!

Where''''s the ORIGINAL birth certificate
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by August 16, 2008 7:35 PM PDT
I don''t know if Hawaii is different from other states, in that the baby is fingerprinted.
Does his b-certificate have his fingerprint, and is it the size of a baby''s, or an adult?
Apparently this communist, terrorist, and muslim sympathizing creep thinks he''s qualified to be President, and he is. He''s as qualified as Jimmah the *** Carter.
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by August 16, 2008 7:37 PM PDT
I don''t know if Hawaii is different from other states, in that the baby is fingerprinted.
Does his b-certificate have his fingerprint, and is it the size of a baby''s, or an adult?
Apparently this communist, terrorist, and muslim sympathizing creep thinks he''s qualified to be President, and he is. He''s as qualified as Jimmah, the commie, Carter.
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by TexGEOas August 16, 2008 7:42 PM PDT
Obama''s birth certificate is not validated until some independent news agency (obviously, not Rather''s CBS) obtains it directly from its source.

Obama is the most un-vetted candidate EVER to run for office. It is a disgrace to the major news media that they WILL NOT vet this man. It is quite un-American.

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by fhbug August 16, 2008 7:52 PM PDT
If it''s so ridiculous, why won''t Obama provide a paper copy of the Original?! I''m sick of the wool being pulled over the voters eyes on this. People have been calling for him to address this like Senator McCain did for a year! Even Hawaii''s health department has contacted him. And yet he won''t take the simple step of providing it? He was in Hawaii last week - he could have picked it up in person! His refusal to come clean is only making it more suspect.
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by reunionpi August 16, 2008 7:54 PM PDT
Obama''s mother''s original Social Security Number Application

webofdeception.com/obamamother''sssapplication.html
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by wellhell3 August 16, 2008 8:13 PM PDT
Plenty of people do not have their original birth certificate. I don''''t have mine. I had to get a new one from the state, so I could get a passport.
Comon people, obviously he has been investigated up, down and all around. I am sure that if he wasn''''t born in Hawaii, it would have come out a long time ago.
Looking at the posts here though, it appears that the Obama campaign needs to do more to put this to bed.



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Posted by azure11 at 07:20 PM : Aug 16, 2008

That''s the point, nobody''s vetting this jackass!!!!

AGAIN, where''s the original birth certificate? I have mine from YEARS before Obscamma was born! And I have my son''s original birth certificate who wasn''t born much after Obscamma!

C''mon, Obscamma present the original birth certificate, prove up your US citizenship or get the HELL out of my country back to Indonesia where you DO have citizenship!
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by larysinclair August 16, 2008 8:29 PM PDT
This same woman has also said "We do not distribute any copies electronically" and "The certificate must have an embossed log and signature to be valid",..what is ridiculous is nthat the media would rather peddle some little article from a po-dunk newspaper in Hawaii than to actually do any investigation on their own,...2008 the death of the investigative reporter!! Maybe The National Enquirer will handle this too?

Barry Soetoro need to produce a VALID birth certificate!!

WWW.BARRYSOETORO.COM

A SURPRISE IS COMING!!
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by johnnyatwrk August 16, 2008 8:33 PM PDT
Barry had two Islamic dads, one a Kenyan, the other an Indonesian. He spent the formative years of his childhood in Indonesia.

Obama is a DeFacto foreigner.

The Founding Father%u2019s knew that the loyalty of the President to the US Constitution was paramount to the posterity of this new democracy. Such loyalty was deemed so vital, that they included the clause
%u201CNo person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.%u201D

This is distinction is magnified by the different standard for Congressmen and Senators. A Congressman need only have been a citizen for seven years, and nine years for a Senator.

%u201CNo Person shall be a Representative who shall not have been seven Years a Citizen of the United States%u201D. And %u201CNo person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States.%u201D

Loyalty was so vital for the Executive that the founders wanted a president who was a citizen when he passed from the womb and until his death, someone who%u2019s loyalty to the US and Constitution would never be in doubt.

Barry Soetoro is an Islamic Indonesian as documented by his mother. Barry is a DeFacto foreigner.

Barry is a %u201CCitizen of the World%u201D first, a US Citizen second.

A POTUS must be, as the Founders intended, a LIFELONG US Citizen without exception.
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by vincan-2009 August 16, 2008 8:44 PM PDT
Republicans are always so determined to undermine the very wonderful Democrats who run for office. I hope all you rats and rodunts who have evil as your motives will get what you have coming and it won''t be pretty. Has anyone cared that McCain has not gone to church until he wanted to be president? Has anyone cared that McCain is turning himself into a completely different person to please the republican base - 20%. Does anyone have something of worth he criticize Senator Obama about? No. This is a fine man who is very intelligent, a Christian, a man who wants to make our country better.
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by August 16, 2008 9:17 PM PDT
Let''s not forget the questions of Barry Goldwater''s citizenship when he ran for president in 1964. He was born in Arizona at a time when it was a territory, not yet a state.

I seem to recall a gentlemen''s agreement not to pursue the question finally shut up the peanut gallery.

If a person is born on American territory, he is a citizen. Puerto Ricans, Marshallese, and Samoans among others are born U.S. citizens.

Sheesh, with the problems facing the incoming president I don''t understand the energy poured into a pointless non-issue like this.
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by mainer501 August 16, 2008 9:23 PM PDT
If it''s not such a big deal, why doesn''t Obama let anyone have access to it?
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by mainer501 August 16, 2008 9:24 PM PDT
If it isn''t such a big deal, why doesn''t Obama simply allow the release of his birth certificate to anyone who wants to pay for it?
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by OrionCA August 16, 2008 10:02 PM PDT
This the same CBS that tried to pedal "Fake, but accurate" documents about Bush''s Texas Air National Guard service? I wouldn''t question Obama''s citizenship except that he''s made it so difficult to confirm. The "Certificate of Live Birth" on fightthesmears is a low-res copy of one posted on Moveon.org that''s most likely a photoshopped fake according to experts who''ve looked at it. The easy way for the Obama camp to settle the issue would be to have Hawaii provide a certified copy to any news agency that requested it. So far, that hasn''t happened. Y???
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by john5750 August 16, 2008 10:33 PM PDT
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by john5750 August 16, 2008 10:44 PM PDT
Two experts have already proven the birth certificate Obama posted is a forgery.

Obama also refuses to show his passport which is likely an Indonesian passport because he was an Indonesian citizen, Barry Soetoro.

Gee, I wonder if that federal passport break-in that was tied to an Obama operative a few months back had anything to do with trying to retrieve or forge Obama''s passport???

A dual citizenship (American & Indonesian) would also make Obama ineligible to be prez.

Running in a primary under a false name would also be fraud and cancel any votes he received.

Bottom line - why all the lies, forgery, and cover-up???

I''m sure after Denver the GOP will tell us all about it.
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