Obama Birth Certificate Fuss "Ridiculous"
Anti-Obama and right-wing bloggers have been throwing more and more criticism against the wall to see what sticks. One of their more fanciful charges is that the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee, born in Hawaii in 1961, is not a U.S. citizen and therefore cannot be elected president.
In the face of Internet insinuations that the Illinois Senator was actually born somewhere outside the U.S. and therefore does not fall within Article II of the Constitution ("A natural born Citizen") and the 14th Amendment, Barack Obama's campaign has posted a copy of his birth certificate on its rumor-discrediting Web site, www.fightthesmears.com. But that still isn’t good enough for some skeptics.
Some Web chatterers question the authenticity of the document, pointing to the lack of a state seal on the online copy. Some also suggest a black rectangle (a redacted identification number, obscured by the state for security reasons) hides something more revealing.
Earlier this week The Honolulu Advertiser reported that Hawaii's Department of Health receives requests weekly for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. [It was their concern about the unending requests that prompted the Obama campaign to take action.]
Officials said that under the law only people with a "tangible interest" (parents, spouses or other relatives, or the subjects themselves) could obtain a copy.
"Our state law is very firm on information on vital records," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo told the Advertiser. "You cannot receive someone else's birth certificate — to protect the person's confidential information."
As for the persistent accusations that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, Okubo replied, "It's pretty ridiculous."
The ruckus recalls a similar controversy during the GOP primaries when the fact that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone — when his father was serving at a U.S. military base there — caused some to claim he was ineligible to serve as president, not having been "natural born" on U.S. soil.
A bipartisan team of lawyers declared earlier this year that McCain's 1936 birth to U.S. citizens outside the continental United States did not disqualify him from being president.
In the face of Internet insinuations that the Illinois Senator was actually born somewhere outside the U.S. and therefore does not fall within Article II of the Constitution ("A natural born Citizen") and the 14th Amendment, Barack Obama's campaign has posted a copy of his birth certificate on its rumor-discrediting Web site, www.fightthesmears.com. But that still isn’t good enough for some skeptics.
Some Web chatterers question the authenticity of the document, pointing to the lack of a state seal on the online copy. Some also suggest a black rectangle (a redacted identification number, obscured by the state for security reasons) hides something more revealing.
Earlier this week The Honolulu Advertiser reported that Hawaii's Department of Health receives requests weekly for a copy of Obama's birth certificate. [It was their concern about the unending requests that prompted the Obama campaign to take action.]
Officials said that under the law only people with a "tangible interest" (parents, spouses or other relatives, or the subjects themselves) could obtain a copy.
"Our state law is very firm on information on vital records," Health Department spokeswoman Janice Okubo told the Advertiser. "You cannot receive someone else's birth certificate — to protect the person's confidential information."
As for the persistent accusations that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, Okubo replied, "It's pretty ridiculous."
The ruckus recalls a similar controversy during the GOP primaries when the fact that John McCain was born in the Panama Canal Zone — when his father was serving at a U.S. military base there — caused some to claim he was ineligible to serve as president, not having been "natural born" on U.S. soil.
A bipartisan team of lawyers declared earlier this year that McCain's 1936 birth to U.S. citizens outside the continental United States did not disqualify him from being president.
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Posted by cfin5 at 03:43 PM : Aug 16, 2008
We went through this Garbage in the State Of Illinois as well. The state official is right... it''s rediculous and is nothing but losers grasping at straws!!
Posted by Verified-CBS at 03:50 PM : Aug 16, 2008
He HAS produced it AND if you could read you''d KNOW the State Official says you losers are Ridiculous! Since you obviously aren''t educated enough to read and understand what that State Official Said, take this to a neighbors house... a 6th grader should do, they can READ it to you! LMAO Sieg Heil McSlime
http://www.barackobama.com/images/fts/BO
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Posted by azure11 at 04:14 PM : Aug 16, 2008
Yes but you have to first be educated enough to paste don''t you? I seriously doubt this 6th grade drop out can do that!
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Are you contesting the fact that he was not born? I think that you will lose on that one.
I guess you can not read! The state of hawaii has stated that the claim was ridiculous. Waht part of the english language do you not understand?
It doesn''t work for him to obtain a copy and release it. Folks will always say it''s doctored in some way to hide something embarrassing or disqualifying.
If it is proven that he has been touting a forged government document on his website then there is no way he can be considered honorable or truthful enough to lead the country.
No one is that stupid and Sen. Obama sure isn''t ... so long as the government knows he IS eligible to run for POTUS he is eligible ...
If you don''t like it SUE HIM ...
Obama has NOT released, or posted, his Birth Certificate.
He claims in one of his book to be in possession of it but that is not what you see on his website.
His Birth Certificate is a document issued at or soon after the time of birth.
What you see on his website is a "Certification of Live Birth" which is not the same thing. It is a document issued at any time at the request of the subject or their immediate family showing the details that were on the original Birth Certificate but is dated, embossed, and notarized as of the time of issue.
The document on Obama''s website is argued convincingly to be a forgery constructed from a COLB issued for his half sister Maya.
Why is anybody''s guess, but it is a serious problem if it proves to be true.
I have the irrefutable evidence to back up that statement, too.
The only challenges to it have come from self-proclaimed "experts" who have made one non sequitur after the other, interspersed with a few ad hominem arguments.
I''ve been working on this controversy every day for the past two months, and I have provided a lot more than just a reasonable doubt.
Not only is it a contrivance - a totally forged image of a non-existent COLB, but I have demonstrated how it was actually make it -- something no one else has done.
So, if you like to continue promulgating lies to the American public, just keep your head in the sand, and we''ll go ahead without you.
If you actually wish to do some genuine investigative journalism, visit my blog, and read what I have to say about the biggest fraud in American political history.
polarik.blogtownhall.com
I have the irrefutable evidence to back up that statement, too.
The only challenges to it have come from self-proclaimed "experts" who have made one non sequitur after the other, interspersed with a few ad hominem arguments.
I''ve been working on this controversy every day for the past two months, and I have provided a lot more than just a reasonable doubt.
Not only is it a contrivance - a totally forged image of a non-existent COLB, but I have demonstrated how it was actually make it -- something no one else has done.
So, if you like to continue promulgating lies to the American public, just keep your head in the sand, and we''ll go ahead without you.
If you actually wish to do some genuine investigative journalism, visit my blog, and read what I have to say about the biggest fraud in American political history.
polarik.blogtownhall.com
A passport proves NOTHING!
Where''s the ORIGINAL birth certificate!
After all, Sen. NObama by his own published writings admits he is a 50%-America at best.
His father was never American, not even naturalised.
And, his mother appears to have lived outside the US more than she lived on US soil.....What might you expect real Americans to be thinking the DemoTards might be giving us?
Yes! An important point is that Americans recognized our need and demanded change and sought a President who could lead again, and drafted Obama to run. Obama is not calling for change, he is answering the call.
Posted by andor3 Aug 15, 2008
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Please, let us get one thing absolutely clear....For about this, there is zero debate:
America did not "draft[] Obama to run."
The fascist who run the DNC disenfranchised the votes of sufficient numbers of DemoTard lemmings in the primary so they could use this secret "Super Delegate" network they control to install Sen. NObama as their puppet.
We''ve seen this exact tactic used every time a dictator has ever come to power.
I''ve told you folks time and again, we are witnessing Libtards doing exactly what they do best.....Working to destroy America as built, so they can implement the "CHANGE" as they rebuild it into the NEW AMERICA....
A MARXIST AMERICA that all DemoTards dream of.
I recall the Dan Rather fake but accurate documents. This should be easy to prove, but WHY will the media not investigate, go to Hawaii and find out?
Make the idiot prove up his birthright and qualifications and citizenship or boot his butt out of the country!
A passport proves NOTHING!
Where''''s the ORIGINAL birth certificate
Does his b-certificate have his fingerprint, and is it the size of a baby''s, or an adult?
Apparently this communist, terrorist, and muslim sympathizing creep thinks he''s qualified to be President, and he is. He''s as qualified as Jimmah the *** Carter.
Does his b-certificate have his fingerprint, and is it the size of a baby''s, or an adult?
Apparently this communist, terrorist, and muslim sympathizing creep thinks he''s qualified to be President, and he is. He''s as qualified as Jimmah, the commie, Carter.
Obama is the most un-vetted candidate EVER to run for office. It is a disgrace to the major news media that they WILL NOT vet this man. It is quite un-American.
webofdeception.com/obamamother''sssapplication.html
Comon people, obviously he has been investigated up, down and all around. I am sure that if he wasn''''t born in Hawaii, it would have come out a long time ago.
Looking at the posts here though, it appears that the Obama campaign needs to do more to put this to bed.
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Posted by azure11 at 07:20 PM : Aug 16, 2008
That''s the point, nobody''s vetting this jackass!!!!
AGAIN, where''s the original birth certificate? I have mine from YEARS before Obscamma was born! And I have my son''s original birth certificate who wasn''t born much after Obscamma!
C''mon, Obscamma present the original birth certificate, prove up your US citizenship or get the HELL out of my country back to Indonesia where you DO have citizenship!
Barry Soetoro need to produce a VALID birth certificate!!
WWW.BARRYSOETORO.COM
A SURPRISE IS COMING!!
Obama is a DeFacto foreigner.
The Founding Father%u2019s knew that the loyalty of the President to the US Constitution was paramount to the posterity of this new democracy. Such loyalty was deemed so vital, that they included the clause
%u201CNo person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President.%u201D
This is distinction is magnified by the different standard for Congressmen and Senators. A Congressman need only have been a citizen for seven years, and nine years for a Senator.
%u201CNo Person shall be a Representative who shall not have been seven Years a Citizen of the United States%u201D. And %u201CNo person shall be a Senator who shall not have attained to the Age of thirty Years, and been nine Years a Citizen of the United States.%u201D
Loyalty was so vital for the Executive that the founders wanted a president who was a citizen when he passed from the womb and until his death, someone who%u2019s loyalty to the US and Constitution would never be in doubt.
Barry Soetoro is an Islamic Indonesian as documented by his mother. Barry is a DeFacto foreigner.
Barry is a %u201CCitizen of the World%u201D first, a US Citizen second.
A POTUS must be, as the Founders intended, a LIFELONG US Citizen without exception.
I seem to recall a gentlemen''s agreement not to pursue the question finally shut up the peanut gallery.
If a person is born on American territory, he is a citizen. Puerto Ricans, Marshallese, and Samoans among others are born U.S. citizens.
Sheesh, with the problems facing the incoming president I don''t understand the energy poured into a pointless non-issue like this.
Obama also refuses to show his passport which is likely an Indonesian passport because he was an Indonesian citizen, Barry Soetoro.
Gee, I wonder if that federal passport break-in that was tied to an Obama operative a few months back had anything to do with trying to retrieve or forge Obama''s passport???
A dual citizenship (American & Indonesian) would also make Obama ineligible to be prez.
Running in a primary under a false name would also be fraud and cancel any votes he received.
Bottom line - why all the lies, forgery, and cover-up???
I''m sure after Denver the GOP will tell us all about it.
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