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April 26, 2008 5:38 PM

There’s No Debate – Obama Says He Won’t Face Clinton Before Indiana and North Carolina

(CBS)

From CBS News’ Maria Gavrilovic:


ANDERSON, IND. – Barack Obama’s campaign is refusing any more debates with Hillary Clinton until after the May 6th primaries, despite attempts by the Clinton campaign to offer a new debate structure. “We have participated in 21 nationally televised debates, the most in primary history, including four exclusively with Senator Clinton,” said Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs. “Senator Clinton refused an earlier invitation that had been accepted to debate in North Carolina.”

The Clinton campaign objected to that debate because it was during Passover. Clinton campaign manger Maggie Williams sent a letter the Obama camp today, suggesting a Lincoln-Douglas style debate without moderators.

“If Lincoln and Douglas had debated 21 times,” Obama chief strategist David Axelrod responded, “I don't think there would be much appetite for another Lincoln-Douglas debate."

But that’s not how the Clinton campaign is doing the math. “Our final two primary candidates to date have had three fewer debates than Lincoln and Douglas held in single state over 60 days in 1858,” says Williams in her letter, referring to the seven Lincoln-Douglas debates. Obama and Clinton have only had four one-on-one debates – the other 17 were all with other candidates participating as well.

Obama himself also closed the door to any debates in the near future. “We're not going to have debates between now and Indiana,” he told Chris Wallace of Fox News.

But he wasn’t shy about taking on John McCain’s “gas tax holiday” idea today, calling it his “latest scheme.” “The truth of the matter is the only way we’re going to lower gas prices over the long term is if we start using less oil,” Obama said. “The only way we do that is to increase fuel efficiency standards on cars and invest in new technologies and alternative fuels.”

Obama said the tax holiday would save consumers only $25, and that the federal highway fund would suffer as a result. “You remember that bridge in Minneapolis? We’re already short on money in terms of investing, and for what, for $25?” Obama asked.

He also argued that McCain now supports President Bush’s tax cuts, which he originally opposed, because he is running for president. “Somewhere on his path to the Republican nomination, John McCain kind of lost track of his conscience, the Straight Talk Express lost a wheel,” Obama said.

The McCain campaign fired back at Obama’s criticisms, accusing him of not understanding how the economy works. “How does it make sense for Barack Obama to talk about relief, but call for raising taxes on hardworking American families and opposing lower gas taxes when prices at the pump are a record high?” asked McCain spokesman Tucker Bounds. “The more Senator Obama campaigns, the more we see how little he understands the American economy.”
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by Lai K W April 26, 2008 5:58 PM PDT
If he had the gut to announce this ''there would be no debate in NC and Indiana'', he would lose by 20 points in Pennsylvania.

This guy is determined to silence the media and people''s voices and questions about him.

He threw his grandma, Florida, the Michigan, and the rural Americans under the bus.

The fact remains that he has never been a factor in Congress or Senate, not of any leadership in bipartisan drive and major causes. Now he is running for the highest position of the office. Any query is what he called negativity and not debatable.

You should only look at the fantasy prescribed by OBAMA and company. Shut up Florida, Michigan, .... because OBAMA is talking some thing big. That may cause you many tax dollars in the future.

Those are not debatable. Sigh!!!!
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by Lai K W April 26, 2008 6:03 PM PDT
The only way to pull him back in a debate is up to Indiana and North Carolina.

Should he lose by a landslide again, he would be crying out loud for Hillary for debates.

How insidious can one be!!!!This is just another sample from OBAMA
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by nancy00-2009 April 26, 2008 6:31 PM PDT
For the love of God...he did not throw the people of Michigan and Florida under the bus. It is not his decision. And what kind of fair play is counting Michigan anyway...oh yeah, the moving marker type of hHillary. Her theory of if you can''t win honestly, cheat. Probably because honest, honestly, ect. isnt part of her vocabulary.
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by sorne-2009 April 26, 2008 6:50 PM PDT
john lai is for hillary what he does not realize is she is a lying *** who will take us doen the road to hell. that is a place she is going sooner or later i just wish it was sooner.
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by sorne-2009 April 26, 2008 6:53 PM PDT
i do not understand why the b.... word is not printed it is not any worse than other words and it really fits when when used with hillary.
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by PulSamsara April 26, 2008 7:07 PM PDT
Hillary Clinton should have a debate with herself as to why she chooses to put her ego before the needs of the American people.

I voted Clinton into her senate seat.

I will NEVER vote for her again as long as I live.

Never.
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by vote4thebest April 26, 2008 7:08 PM PDT
Obama continues to show his weak character and refuses to hear the people who want to know more about him, than just his speeches.
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by sjbj2322 April 26, 2008 7:26 PM PDT
Barack Obama is a wuss. He repeatedly complains that there are differences between his ideas and Hillary''s but when given a real opportunity to highlight those differences while also being denied the opportunity to misinterpret those differences for political gain, he wimps out. People are so naive about his real agenda because they refuse to check out his record. If they did they would be hardpressed to defend their support. Look at all the murders going on in Chicago by gangs. Then go look at his record of voting on key issues that would have made it more difficult for known gang members to continue their affiliations while serving parole or probation. Why did he vote against it? Because he felt that it disproportionately targeted blacks. Well guess what...it''s blacks killing blacks. What a blastid fool. Please people....I understand that need for a civil rights awakening in this country but this man is not the messiah that will get us there.
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by iss2010 April 26, 2008 7:45 PM PDT
I am a non American and I find it quite incredulous that Americans can''t see how much better a candidate Obama is compared to Hillary Clinton, and all because of the race issue. Blacks in Amrica have voted whites into power for decades. For God''s sake can''t you people show a little gratitude and put a black guy in power for a change? Or what do you want? Race riots? Because that''ll be coming if you don''t start getting graterful.


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by dspeight3 April 26, 2008 7:59 PM PDT
I am glad to see Barack say no to Hillary. All she wants is free face time on TV. Just stay on the campaign trail and you will get free air time.
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by aoife32 April 26, 2008 8:13 PM PDT
For the love of God...he did not throw the people of Michigan and Florida under the bus. It is not his decision. And what kind of fair play is counting Michigan anyway...oh yeah, the moving marker type of hHillary. Her theory of if you can''''t win honestly, cheat. Probably because honest, honestly, ect. isnt part of her vocabulary.

Posted by Nancy00 at 06:31 PM : Apr 26, 2008
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try to see past the koolaid. Both states had plans for re-vote, OBAMA refused! BUSH stole the election by not counting votes , now Obama is Bush.. Rev Wright says: "He says what he has to say as a politician," Translation: Obama is a lying politician, who says anything to get votes. Steals the election by not allowing 2 states to vote he CANT win! Afraid to debate because someone asked a %u201Chard%u201D question He cant win a debate with an intelligent woman and his fear of *** up yet again is clear. Just a crooked Chicago political hack. As a Democrat if he steals this nomination all my Hillary donations will go to McCain to help defeat Obama. Many other Hill supporters will do the same. The polls in Pa, almost 45% Dems will vote McCain or stay home. McCain can have 4 years, during which the rest of the dirt (Rezko, Auchi, Wright, Ayers, et al) will come out and Obama will be destroyed,
Hillary runs in 4 years. I can wait
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by popstom1 April 26, 2008 8:43 PM PDT
Obama can''t debate when he dose
He look stupid and he'' can''t
stand on polyice it''s her''s
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by rowdytexan2 April 26, 2008 9:07 PM PDT
"The more Senator Obama campaigns, the more we see how little he understands the American economy.%u201D

Hahaha! Tell it like it is, John! Obama would run our economy to the ground and then raise taxes on the only ones paying any!
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by rowdytexan2 April 26, 2008 9:10 PM PDT
Because that''''ll be coming if you don''''t start getting graterful.





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Posted by iss2010 at 07:45 PM : Apr 26, 2008

Grateful for WHAT? What has Obama done for this country that I need to be grateful for? Absolutely NOTHING!

Race riots? Is this crackhead willing to lead his people to race riots?

All the more reason not to put this idiot in the White House!
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by rowdytexan2 April 26, 2008 9:13 PM PDT
Run! Obama, run! Run like crazy from people trying to make you tell the TRUTH for a change!

You can''t possibly win with your lying! Nobody believes you anymore!
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 9:15 PM PDT
Obama is committing Political Suicide. This will really separate the people who really think that Obama would make a better President and those that vote for him just because...well, you know.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 9:37 PM PDT
I''m not tired of seeing Obama and Hillary debate. Obama having to face Hillary with no Moderators would be the best one yet.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 9:39 PM PDT
Whoever thought that it would be Obama himself that would put the final nail in his coffin.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 9:45 PM PDT
Obama must be afraid to debate Hillary. I think a debate without any moderators would be just what he wanted.
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by blkpresident April 26, 2008 9:46 PM PDT
Lil'' missy can debate Obama''s middle finger. Who does this lil'' gal think she is?! Somewhere in NY a neglected kitchen oven needs cleaning. Where''s lil'' Hillary? Still criss-crossing the country pipe dreaming about a woman becoming president. Does lil'' missy know that the next president has two wars to manage, and a sagging economy? After Tuesday, May 6th she''ll know her place.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 9:50 PM PDT
Blackpresident, Debate his middle finger??? Is that in refrence to that obscene gesture he made about her after he lost the Penn. primary??
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 9:53 PM PDT
It''s all over for Obama. His supporters are leaving him like rats jumping from a sinking ship.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 10:03 PM PDT
No other candidate has refused to debate the other candidate and gone on to win the nomination.
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by blkpresident April 26, 2008 10:05 PM PDT
truthyness,

How perceptive of you. Now if only your candidate, lil'' missy, was as bright.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 10:10 PM PDT
lil missy....I mean Hillary is a lot more brighter and perceptive than I am, but thanks anyway.
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by popstom1 April 26, 2008 10:13 PM PDT
Hey BLKprz remember P.a. hahahahah
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 10:20 PM PDT
Yeh....Obama lost both the Penn. primary and the debate too. You''d think that he would want to debate Hillary to make up for his last bad showing. He must be afraid of making another bad showing and losing Indiana.
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by blkpresident April 26, 2008 10:26 PM PDT
popstom1,

In response to your jab about do I remember Pennsylvania, remember this, there are no "bitter" hillbillies in North Carolina and Indiana, so lil Hillary will be knowing her place real soon (an insignifigant lil'' footnote alongside Geraldine Ferraro)...file under female pipe dreamers. Smirk.
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by popstom1 April 26, 2008 10:30 PM PDT
your right just good old Boys and
Girls
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 10:31 PM PDT
Indiana and North Caroline doesn''t have "hillbillys" but they are mostly rural and small town. They''re very proud too and I''m sure they will take offense at being called bitter and clinging to their guns and Religion.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 10:37 PM PDT
OBAMA IS JUST PLAIN AFRAID

TO DEBATE HILLARY!!! lol!!!
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by blkpresident April 26, 2008 10:46 PM PDT
Hillary-Fonda ''08? A national nightmare unless Indiana and North Carolina votes smart.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 10:53 PM PDT
This is a cute film clip called

Obama: Jedi Master

http://www.worldontheweb.com/

2008/04/14/obama-jedi-master/

Check it out if you haven''t already.
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 10:55 PM PDT
CORRECTION

http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/04/14/obama-jedi-master/
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by truthyness April 26, 2008 11:10 PM PDT
Talking about John McCain, Obama said (see above story) "Somewhere on his path to the Republican nomination, John McCain kind of lost track of his conscience, the straight talk express lost a wheel.''

You know.... Obama''s college frat

boy remarks are just plain crude

and disrespectful. He was equally

disrespectful to Hillary Clinton

when he made an obscene gesture

towards her. This type of behavior

is really an insult to America.

I''m a Hillary supporter, but if

Obama wins the nomination, I will

be proud to cross party lines and

vote for a real American,

John McCain.
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by rayacop April 26, 2008 11:17 PM PDT
Qbama is a empty suit coward who is afraid to debate one on one because he lacks true intelligence and substance! That is the problem with affirmative action recipients, the have plenty of credentials but no substance to back those credentials up!
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by rayacop April 26, 2008 11:19 PM PDT
Qbama is a empty suit coward who is afraid to debate one on one because he lacks true intelligence and substance! You see that is the problem with affirmative action recipients, they have plenty of credentials but no substance to back up those wafer thin credentials!
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by hillfan01 April 26, 2008 11:36 PM PDT
It does not surprise me that Obama is ducking a debate with Hillary before Indiana and N.Carolina vote on may 6th.I guess he is afraid of getting "smoked" like she has done in their prvious 4 debates.The Obama campaign is trying to make it sound like he has debated Hillary 21 times,but this 25 year old "hillbilly"from Kentucky has watched EVERY debate,and they have only debated 4 times since Edwards dropped out of the race after Florida voted before Super Tuesday.So,they have only debated 4 times since Jan.29th.And Hillary clearly was the winner of all of the debates.I will admit that the ABC debate in Pennsylvania did not focus enough on the issues that democrats are concerned with,such as the economy,education,and bringing our troops home safely from Iraq.But,if Obama can''t debate Hillary when she even says she will debate him one-on-one with no moderators,then how do the super delegates expect him to win debates against McCain in the fall?I am not giving up on Hillary.This is the first time I have ever voted for President,and I have been a Hillary supporter since Edwards left the race.She has shown that she will take on the issues that Edwards fought for,like universal healthcare ending povery,and fighting for the middle class.Elizabeth Edwards has said she prefers Hillary over Obama,but it doesn''t look like Edwards will endorse either candidate before May 6th.I will be voting for her on May 20th,no matter what happens in the next 2 contests!
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by hillfan01 April 26, 2008 11:44 PM PDT
I completely agree with "rayacop" Obama is afraid of a one-on-one debate with Hillary.I also agree with "truthyness",Obama has been very rude and disrespectful to Hillary.I saw the finger gesture also,that is why me and my family who are life-long democrats will be voting for McCain if Hillary loses to Obama.KYgirl4Hillary in 08
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by eroosevelt08 April 27, 2008 12:17 AM PDT
Senator Obama is losing credibility by not agreeing to debate Senator Clinton. Some voters do not really think about the elections until it is actually time to vote. There have been moderated debates, but this is different. The public deserves to see how the candidates think on their feet. Our nation is in crisis and It is too important an election for Senator Obama to just try to run out the clock. This is not a basketball game, Senator Obama.
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by eroosevelt08 April 27, 2008 12:19 AM PDT
Well, Senator Clinton won the last debate. Maybe that explains why Senator Obama won''t agree to another debate. Senator Obama is losing credibility by not agreeing to debate Senator Clinton. Some voters do not really think about the elections until it is actually time to vote. There have been moderated debates, but this is different. The public deserves to see how the candidates think on their feet. Our nation is in crisis and It is too important an election for Senator Obama to just try to run out the clock. This is not a basketball game, Senator Obama.
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by mrtutto April 27, 2008 12:22 AM PDT
HILLARY CLINTON WANTS TO AMBUSH OBAMA AND HE IS NOT TAKING THE BAIT..... THE LONGER SHE INSISTS SHE WILL START SOUNDING LIKE A NAGGING WIFE
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by rowdytexan2 April 27, 2008 12:32 AM PDT
Obama won''t do another debate because he can''t use a teleprompter and control the questions so somebody else can write the answers down and he can read them off a teleprompter!

Cheap empty suit! Cheap class clown shooting his finger off on videotape!

Ick! Ick! Ick!
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by rowdytexan2 April 27, 2008 12:34 AM PDT
HILLARY CLINTON WANTS TO AMBUSH OBAMA AND HE IS NOT TAKING THE BAIT..... THE LONGER SHE INSISTS SHE WILL START SOUNDING LIKE A NAGGING WIFE


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Posted by mrtutto at 12:22 AM : Apr 27, 2008

Wife has to nag you a LOT, huh?

Figgers.
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by geteducated1 April 27, 2008 12:38 AM PDT
THANK HEAVEN FOR MRTUTTO! I don''t usually log in to these things but you guys and gals were killing me. This Primary is over. Do the math. Unless Senator Clinton has a way to not only win Indiana and North Carolina by a landslide but the remaining primaries there is no way for her to over take Presidential Candidate Obama. Please educate yourselves. The Pennsylvania "victory" netted Senator Clinton a delegate gain of a whopping 12. I am sorry but there is no need for another debate. That is a futile attempt of a failing campaign to get more air time for that failing campaign. Besides how can you argue in good faith about the economy when you can''t even keep your campaign in the black? Bueller? Bueller?
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by geteducated1 April 27, 2008 12:39 AM PDT
THANK HEAVEN FOR MRTUTTO! I don''t usually log in to these things but you guys and gals were killing me. This Primary is over. Do the math. Unless Senator Clinton has a way to not only win Indiana and North Carolina by a landslide but the remaining primaries there is no way for her to over take Presidential Candidate Obama. Please educate yourselves. The Pennsylvania "victory" netted Senator Clinton a delegate gain of a whopping 12. I am sorry but there is no need for another debate. That is a futile attempt of a failing campaign to get more air time for that failing campaign. Besides how can you argue in good faith about the economy when you can''t even keep your campaign in the black? Bueller? Bueller?
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by bhisback April 27, 2008 12:42 AM PDT
Give her credit for always scamming. Give him credit for refusing to be ambushed again. Countdown to May 7 when the media will have to be more responsible and call for her to stand down. Considering the current circumstances there really is no reason they shouldn''t be doing now.
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by omaar-101 April 27, 2008 12:53 AM PDT
Comment: Comment: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24314959/n

Cry about Michigan & Florida...Hillary & Barack, Both Agreed, neither State would... COUNT

Hillary wants them to Count Now..(Illegally) now that her A!! is BEHIND !!!

If the this were Reverse, these same Clinton Cronies, would be saying, the EXACT thing, I''m stating above !!



Too much, Too Late...To ever Try again !!


Call me, when she EVENS Obama or SURPASSES Obama...until that Mystical, Majical, Majestical Moment Happens...

Your Blowing Sand out of Your A!!''s

Shes Done...Period

Johnny Mathis & Deniece Williams Sang the Song ''Too Much, Too Little, Too Late, to Ever Try Again''

Its Over !!! Its Over !!

WASHINGTON - The good news for Hillary Rodham Clinton is that she???s winning a lot of battles. The bad news is that the war is pretty much lost.

Sure, she won Pennsylvanias April 22 primary by a strong 9 points in the face of being outspent on television ads by Barack Obama 2-to-1. She also won Ohio, Rhode Island, and at least the primary part of the bizarre Texas two-step primary-and-caucus combination on March 4.

But today, she is 133 delegates behind Obama, 1,728 to 1,595, according to NBC News. At this point last week, she trailed by 136 delegates.

Since then Clinton has scored a net gain of 10 delegates in Pennsylvania, according to NBC, but has lost a few more superdelegates, so she has made little headway.
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by omaar-101 April 27, 2008 1:18 AM PDT
Clinton Mathematics...

Just Don''t Add Up !!


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24314959/n


Cry about Michigan & Florida...Hillary & Barack, Both Agreed, neither State would... COUNT

Hillary wants them to Count Now..(Illegally) now that her A!! is BEHIND !!!

If the this were Reverse, these same Clinton Cronies, would be saying, the EXACT thing, I''''m stating above !!



Too much, Too Late...To ever Try again !!


Call me, when she EVENS Obama or SURPASSES Obama...until that Mystical, Majical, Majestical Moment Happens...

Your Blowing Sand out of Your A!!''s

Shes Done...Period

Johnny Mathis & Deniece Williams Sang the Song ''Too Much, Too Little, Too Late, to Ever Try Again''

Its Over !!! Its Over !!

WASHINGTON - The good news for Hillary Rodham Clinton is that shes winning a lot of battles. The bad news is that the war is pretty much lost.

Sure, she won Pennsylvanias April 22 primary by a strong 9 points in the face of being outspent on television ads by Barack Obama 2-to-1. She also won Ohio, Rhode Island, and at least the primary part of the bizarre Texas two-step primary-and-caucus combination on March 4.

But today, she is 133 delegates behind Obama, 1,728 to 1,595, according to NBC News. At this point last week, she trailed by 136 delegates.

Since then Clinton has scored a net gain of 10 delegates in Pennsylvania, according to NBC, but has lost a few more superdelegates, so she has made little headway.
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by jaybs3 April 27, 2008 2:26 AM PDT
It is time the Voters sent out a Challenge to Hillary, STOP YOUR LIES & SMEARS!

We are sick and tired of your TV debates let''s get on with the Voting!
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