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March 19, 2008 7:58 AM

Starting Gate: Was Ferraro (Sort Of) Right?

Nobody watching the events of the past week could possibly come to the conclusion that Barack Obama is “lucky” to be a black man running for president. He is getting mostly glowing reviews for his speech addressing race in America but the very tangle of attitudes he described in Philadelphia yesterday only serve to underscore the challenge he faces in winning the White House.

But underneath Geraldine Ferraro’s insistence that Obama was getting something of a free ride because of his historic candidacy was equal frustration at how the woman she supports has struggled with her own barrier-breaking campaign.

And she appears to have company in that view. According to a new CBS News poll, voters see gender as more of a barrier in presidential politics than race. Thirty nine percent of registered voters said a woman faces more obstacles in a presidential race while 33 percent said a black candidate does. More to the point, 42 percent of voters said they felt Hillary Clinton has been treated more harshly because of her gender while just 27 percent felt Obama has been treated more harshly because of his race.

When it comes to judging perceptions of attitudes, voters say more people they know would be likely to vote for a black candidate than a woman. Fifty six percent said that “most people” they know would vote for a black candidate for president while just 46 percent said the same of a woman candidate. A full 45 percent said “most people” they know would not vote for a woman. Yet the poll also shows that racism (42 percent) is considered a “more serious” problem in the nation than sexism (10 percent).

The poll was conducted before Obama’s speech yesterday, but it was not conducted in a vacuum. Clinton is a singularly unique candidate for reasons beyond gender and carries the kind of baggage that no presidential candidate ever has. A former First Lady whose public image was forged in the crucible of the modern 24/7 media spotlight has been lightening rod for criticism since bursting onto the public stage.

The first glimpse many Americans got was of her defending her husband’s infidelities on national television and saying, "you know, I'm not sitting here like some little woman standing by my man, like Tammy Wynette." Clinton has established her own legacy in the 16 years since but the partisan and scandal-filled 1990s produced hardened attitudes toward her. And the poll may reflect some of those, even while displaying some sympathy for the obstacles she faces. Perhaps she can take some solice in opening line of the Wynette song she once ridiculed. “Sometimes it’s hard to be a woman.”


Clinton Heads To Michigan: Clinton will travel to Detroit today for one of her “solutions for America” events, a late-addition to her schedule designed perhaps to put a little pressure on her primary opponent. Yesterday her campaign called on Obama to come out in support of a re-vote in Michigan, which appears stalled in the state legislature due to opposition from Obama supporters – and his campaign. Obama aides have said the proposed re-vote is too complicated and may be disadvantageous for their candidate because it bars independents who may have voted in the Republican primary from participating. Those are likely Obama voters.

Clinton, of course, would like to lengthen the primary season with re-votes in both Michigan and Florida while doing so would seem to hold little upside for Obama and may only serve to reduce his lead in delegates and the total popular vote. But failure to count the delegates in both states may come back to haunt the eventual nominee – particularly one seen as having opposed the inclusion of the two states.

A new St. Petersburg Times poll highlights the risk. The poll shows that “more than three out of four Florida Democrats say it’s ‘very important’ that Florida’s delegates count toward the nomination, and one in four said they would be less likely to support the ultimate Democratic nominee if Florida’s delegates don’t count.” The polls also showed Clinton with a 46 percent to 37 percent lead over Obama if the primary were held today.


Clinton Gets Anti-War Boost? Rep. John Murtha’s endorsement of Clinton yesterday may carry beyond his home state of Pennsylvania, where the establishment continues to line up behind her campaign. As one of the leading proponents of ending the war in Iraq, Murtha has become a major figure in a movement that has been suspicious of Clinton and at times downright hostile. “I’ve known Sen. Clinton for 15 years,” Murtha said in a statement yesterday. “I know that she continually reaches out for opinions and ideas, not just from our nation’s leaders, but from all Americans.”


Around The Track

  • The National Archives will release over 11,000 pages of Hillary Clinton’s daily schedules this morning at the Clinton presidential library and online, it was announced yesterday. The schedules cover the former First Lady’s schedules for some 2,888 of her days in the White House.

  • The majority of Supreme Court justices appeared to be skeptical of Washington DC’s handgun ban. Should the court rule the ban unconstitutional, would the GOP benefit in the fall?

  • Calling himself the campaign’s “rural hitman,” Bill Clinton kicked off a tour of Indiana in Lawrenceburg yesterday, touting his wife’s record and accomplishments. Clinton has been used in rural and smaller venues in recent contests and Indiana will be a prime target for Clinton should she win Pennsylvania on April 22nd.

  • Obama is turning quickly from the topic of race as he heads to North Carolina to discuss national security issues and the war in Iraq with military families in the upcoming primary state.
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    by seanoneill5 March 19, 2008 8:38 AM PDT
    Those who ridicule "hope" and ironically see minority as an advantage all seem to claim a "realistic" vision. If one''s pride is anchored to "reality" then she will never have the vision for change. Ferarro''s comments were not repuganant; they were pathetic. One who once proudly carried the banner of progress for the Democratic party has allowed her "self" and her past to drag us all down and back to "reality". No thanks.
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    by crtoo March 19, 2008 9:48 AM PDT
    After spending several hours of looking for Geraldine Ferraro''s speech transcript or video of her speech, all with no luck.

    DOES ANYONE HAVE A LINK TO HER SPEECH?

    So far during this campaign, everything said by anyone who is not an Obama supporter has been marked racist. I would like to read her own words in its entirety so I can determine if it is or is not racists or demeaning.

    Please post a link to her speech so everyone can read it. or view it on video.
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    by infidel_us March 19, 2008 9:55 AM PDT
    Is this a joke?
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    by marathonmel March 19, 2008 9:55 AM PDT
    HOW CAN ANYONE STAND WITH ANY SHRED OF PRIDE NEXT TO CLINTON & HER CYNICAL, HYPOCRITICAL CRONIES AT THIS POINT?!

    Mrs. Clinton represents the cynical, compromised, corruption & cronyism plagued political leadership that has been the decline of this country''s underlying spirit for the last 16 years. Why is it that the two biggest Hillary supporters that come to my mind right now are so fittingly Eliot Spitzer & Gavin Newsom? What are these soulless bodies lining up to vote for a democrat who''s concept of change is changing her views to match the winning candidate''s? (and then sophmorically accusing him of ''plagiarism''?

    If you didn''t hear Obama''s speech last night, go to Youtube and listen to what a Leader with Principals sounds like.

    If you want to hear what a fear-driven, equivocating chameleon that rode in out of purely nepotistic relationships (not unlike a certain Republican politician) they have those on Youtube as well.

    As for Ferraro, after cleaning out your ears so you can LISTEN as well as you have managed to prove you can SEE, please feel free to tune in as well and listen a man embodies the very spirit that this country was founded on.

    WE WOULDN%u2019T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IF HE WASN%u2019T BLACK? FERRARO: WE WOULDN%u2019T BE HAVING THIS CONVERSATION IF SHE WASN%u2019T A WOMAN. IT CUTS BOTH WAYS.
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    by mattcat25 March 19, 2008 9:57 AM PDT
    The giant expression in all the statements made by Geraldine Ferarro is the word %u201CIf%u201D.
    There is no %u201Cif%u201D there is only %u201Cis%u201D. Barack Obama is a Presidential Candidate of multi-cultural background, any other notion such as the statement by Ferarro is pure fiction.
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    by jockh March 19, 2008 10:09 AM PDT
    If Hillary can loan 5 million dollars to her campaign then surely the voters have a right to know the source of her funding.

    Why wont Hillary release her tax returns? People with nothing to hide don''t usually hide.
    The main excuse we''ve gotten so far is that Hillary Clinton just has too much on her plate. "I''m a little busy right now," she said during the Ohio debate. "I hardly have time to sleep. But I will certainly work toward releasing, and we will get that done and in the public domain."
    That was three weeks ago. Two weeks ago, Howard Wolfson promised the returns would be released "on or around April 15." But weren''t the returns completed and filed a long time ago? Doesn''t Clinton''s accountant have time to print them out and make some copies (note to Clinton''s accountant: many Kinko''s are open 24 hours).

    In short, it''s well past time for Hillary Clinton to be as "vetted" as she claims to already be -- and to have this vetting done now by Democratic voters rather than later by GOP hit squads. She needs to live up to the standard she laid out for Rick Lazio, the opponent in her 2000 Senate race. At that time, she said it was "frankly disturbing" that Lazio was holding back on releasing his tax returns and she even sent a staffer dressed as Uncle Sam to taunt him during campaign stops.
    What a difference eight years -- and tens of millions of dollars (some of them from questionable deals) -- can make.
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    by Razzl March 19, 2008 10:32 AM PDT
    Politics is about doing right more than being right. The time is past for aging feminists to be acting out in public--Ferraro''s rant was clearly blowing off steam about her own feeling of being a token as vice presidential candidate more than it was about Obama. Back in the day we would tolerate this stuff from feminists because so many of them were clearly damaged women who needed to act out, but it''s too late for that and there''s too much at stake now. Anyone who was one of the damaged women of the pre-feminist era has had plenty of time to settle the damage, we''re not going to let stale rage derail this most vitally important campaign in all modern American political history. Get with it sisters, or get out of the way...
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    by hillsangels1 March 19, 2008 10:45 AM PDT
    The SNL skits said it all for a majority of Americans. Obama did indeed get a free ride while the more qualified candidate, Clinton, had the biased media against her. The media has been the biggest cheerleader for Obama since this race began and now they have been shocked by the revelations of Obama''s minister and Obama''s subsequent ''standing by HIS man'' if you will. All in one week he went from having viablity to having a huge liability. And now the media and even the DNC is in the awkward position of haing to go forward with their darling who appears to have chosen not to distance himself entirley from his minister. God Bless America.
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    by therealpook-2009 March 19, 2008 10:51 AM PDT
    Clinton supporters like to victimize themselves by playing the gender card whenever her numbers are down. Actually, she is employing a stereotypical female tactic of trying to claw her way to the top. IF she doesn''t get there, blame the sexists. There are many reasons that many people don''t support Hillary - the biggest being Hillary herself.
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    by pepperp1 March 19, 2008 10:58 AM PDT
    WELL HEEELLLO YEAH, Just take these two pints imagine if

    Hillary attended a church where White Supremacy was preached%u2026..
    %u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026%u2026.any takers that she would still be in the race now

    And


    And Rev Jeremiah attacks that Hillary%u2019s never been called a Niggger%u2026.while he called her everything but a Nig%u2026 killer of blacks among them%u2026%u2026.the Press had these tapes and said nothing of the community vitriol hate attack on her but instead just that Blacks moved to Obama through Pride how about hate bigotry and fear being spewed from such a prominent leader in the community what if that got the coverage instead of the LBJ comment

    And when Obama attacked a 71 year old Dem female Geraldine Ferraoro a rich white Italian descent Catholic the Press said nothing again about the hate Obama%u2019s community preaches against this they call CULT that Oppresses Blacks.

    And the vitriol hate attacks the lies the by Obamas campaign, his continual misogynic statements they don%u2019t hear somehow his dismissive biased language code if you will against women, moody, tone shrill divisive, secretive, deceitful, nagging. Chief attack dog liar and architect of the Obama hope persona vicious vitriol attacks which use gender against Hillary and they never ever ask him for the proof never and they are some of the nastiest hateful lies ever to be used against another candidate.


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    by donnell828 March 19, 2008 11:16 AM PDT
    Here is a link to the interview:

    http://www.dailybreeze.com/lifeandculture/ci_8489268
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    by greenfun March 19, 2008 11:27 AM PDT
    Yes, she was right. What puzzles me is that the Obama campaign so aggressively attacked her and insisted that Clinton distance herself even more from Ferraro. Yet, his speech(which I liked) wants to suggest we should rise above this sort of thing.(I agree) ACTION speaks louder than words Obama campaign. You can''t have it both ways because it reeks of political maneuvering.
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    by beader59 March 19, 2008 11:50 AM PDT
    Where''s your proof pepperp1?????
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    by tomanyt March 19, 2008 11:52 AM PDT
    Of course Geraldine was right!!!!
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    by spinster2 March 19, 2008 11:57 AM PDT
    After the public outcry by the Obama campaign, it seems to me that the question is, "Should we expect Obama to live by his own standards?" He clearly isn''t doing so in the case of "Wright".

    On another front, everybody understands that Mich&Fl voted too early. Now that the propisition to vote within the guidelines has come up, Obama is against it. Once again, should we expect him to live up to his own standards. Heck, Fl''s vote date was set by REPUBLICAN''s over the objection of democrats.

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    by pepperp1 March 19, 2008 11:58 AM PDT
    Yes, she was right. What puzzles me is that the Obama campaign so aggressively attacked her and insisted that Clinton distance herself even more from Ferraro. Yet, his speech(which I liked) wants to suggest we should rise above this sort of thing.(I agree) ACTION speaks louder than words Obama campaign. You can''''t have it both ways because it reeks of political maneuvering.


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    Posted by greenfun at 11:27 AM : Mar 19, 2008


    SIlly cause she one of the rich white decedent of Rome a member of the Catholic cult just as the Rev Jeremiah he explains it in his hater tapes

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    by spinster2 March 19, 2008 12:09 PM PDT
    The media sat on this story until after democrats had a presumptive nominee. It''s because NBC/CBS/MSNBC are owned by Westinghouse, and General Electric who are getting ready to build 26 risk free nuclear power plans spread across the US. McCain voted FOR it, Obama voted FOR it, and Clinton voted AGAINST it under D. Cheney''s energy bill. Go figure!
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    by greenfun March 19, 2008 12:27 PM PDT
    I could swear I remember Obama saying-Let the voters be heard, and delegates should support the will of the voters. Did he mean all of the voters, or just all the voters except
    those in FL and MI???
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    by old300d March 19, 2008 12:50 PM PDT
    Woopie Goldberg said the same thing on the view. Did G.F. watch the view that day ?
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    by prinzowhales March 19, 2008 12:51 PM PDT
    Ferraro has been irrelevant for the last eight years...she is irrelevant today. Dumb-as-dirt Demopublicans can repeat the mistake they made in backing War Pig Kerry in 2004 by backing either Obama or Clinton or McCain.

    The Demopublican policy is set...the war will continue unless you vote them out of office! Obama speaks of withdrawal...but he also says that he will stay to deal with al Qaeda--We brought al Qaeda to Iraq! And they will stay there as long as we stay there... just as the drug-lord regime in Kabul will stay there as long as we are there and the KLA drug gang in Kosovo will stay in power as long as the US military stays and supports them!!

    Voting for Demopublican imperialism will give us war...open borders and more de-iondustrialization of our nation!

    The enemy of this nation is the Demopublican Regime!!
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    by pepperp1 March 19, 2008 1:10 PM PDT
    Of course she was and she was attacked and threatened by Obama and his attack crowds not because she said something about his resume but because she is rich white, roman descended and a Catholic female not in Rev Jeremiah hate sermons women are always vilified with hate names no so the men.

    Folks this is movement of hate code that the Washington the hope and change is an exploration of victimized groups and it%u2019s dangerous at it core to our communities.



    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72B3tUAqpo4


    words do matter ....
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    by pepperp1 March 19, 2008 1:16 PM PDT
    beader59 follow everylink to your guys staff its digusting hate hate hate bigotry

    examples:

    "Disingenuous"
    "Too polarizing to win"

    ''Divisive''
    "Untruthful"
    "Dishonest"
    ''Calculating''
    "Saying and doing whatever it takes to win"
    "Attempting to deceive the American people"
    "One of the most secretive politicians in America"
    "Literally willing to do anything to win"
    More...


    More negative campaign tactics by Obama:

    To top it off, they have blanketed big states with false radio ads and negative mailers -- ads and mailers that experts have debunked time and time again. They have




    distributed health care brochures using Republican framing. They have tried to draw a nexus between Hillary''s votes and the death of her friend Benazir Bhutto. And one of Senator Obama''s top advisers (who has since left the campaign) recently called Hillary "a monster."


    and on and on and on Axelrod
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    by pepperp1 March 19, 2008 1:19 PM PDT
    Everyone who wants Obama out needs to inform the Democratic Party in no uncertain terms. E-mail them, call them, write to them. Let them know that if Obama is their candidate, we are voting for McCain.


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    Posted by elicatlover at 01:08 PM : Mar 19, 2008


    HOLD ON HERE 67 percent of Dems are flat out anti Obama his strenght his votes come from the red states and non dems...so your talking about the worng base it will not be Dems non liberal social justice Dems who put Obama in office the Dems have been on to him for somethime the women because of the bigotry focused on geneder got it some time ago.
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    by greenfun March 19, 2008 1:41 PM PDT
    If I were a voter in Mi or Fl and Obama did not support counting my vote, I would have a hard time voting for him in the general election. We need all of our Democratic voters in November. The DNC had better think long and hard before they offend voters in Mi and Fl. I also think we should hold the DNC responsible if this gets screwed up.
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    by ggguevara March 19, 2008 1:47 PM PDT
    Obviously another article by the Clinton Broadcasting System.
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    by hhkeller March 19, 2008 3:07 PM PDT
    Obama speech fell short of the apology needed for running a racist campaign in South Carolina. He used the churches and divisive tactics which were succesful but are obvious and questionable now. I dont think lecturing the country was appropriate. Obama should have been apologizing. He needs to mature before running for President.
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    by kansas1946 March 19, 2008 5:53 PM PDT
    The only place I can see where race helps Obama is with black Americans. Huge numbers of white Americans love him and support him, and I don''t think they give a toot about race.
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    by converze March 19, 2008 8:51 PM PDT
    When Women Candidate = Clinton, and Black Candidate = Obama, no wonder more people say they would vote for the Black Candidate.
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    by stirg March 19, 2008 9:43 PM PDT
    Yes kansas, and they apparently don''t give a toot about their county either
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    by stirg March 19, 2008 9:46 PM PDT
    right on elicat-i''ve been suggesting we sign an online petition to obama asking him for the sake of"G#D D#MN AMERICA" torecuse himself from the race
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    by elizabeth444 March 19, 2008 10:15 PM PDT
    Race has also seemed to help Obama with many white "educated" liberals, who have gone too far the other direction in blindly favoring a black person in any kind of contest, period. But this is just more discrimation that some people of color have told me they''re not comfortable with. Especially in academia (with which I am very familiar), if an even slightly qualified black candidate applies, they get the job. The other applicants may have PhD''s and they have the lesser Master''s degree, but that doesn''t matter. Even in schools predominantly white, black faculty are in high demand. People have been quietly accepting this and not making waves (to do so would be the kiss of death for any future job), but yes--Ferraro was right, absolutely. Right now, if one is black and educated, the world is your oyster. That''s why Obama''s church philosophy, "down with white people," is extra painful to hear.
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    by beinformed March 20, 2008 10:42 AM PDT
    I wonder why it took the media so long to report on Obama''s church and Rev Wright? The information has been there all along... The stand Rev Wright takes about America sheds light on Mrs Obama''s statement about being proud of her country for the first time in her adult life...
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    by taddles-2009 March 20, 2008 10:53 AM PDT
    "HOLD ON HERE 67 percent of Dems are flat out anti Obama his strenght his votes come from the red states and non dems.
    Posted by pepperp1 at 01:19 PM : Mar 19, 2008"


    67% of Dems are anti-Obama?!?! where did you get that from? Obama is in the lead in votes and delegates in the highest Dem turn out primary in history. How could that be if 67& of Dems are Anti-Obama. Please explain.
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    by taddles-2009 March 20, 2008 10:56 AM PDT
    "Obama speech fell short of the apology needed for running a racist campaign in South Carolina.

    Posted by hhkeller at 03:07 PM : Mar 19, 2008"

    How did he run a "racist" campaign in S. Carolina? Soth Carolina is the single most racist state in the union and always has been. Ah because blacks actually came out to vote in a state that is notorious for voter disenfranchisement you call it "racist"? Well I guess we know your view on race don''t we.
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    by taddles-2009 March 20, 2008 11:07 AM PDT
    "right on elicat-i''''ve been suggesting we sign an online petition to obama asking him for the sake of"G#D D#MN AMERICA" torecuse himself from the race

    Posted by cowgirlblue2 at 09:46 PM : Mar 19, 2008"

    First off, Obama shouldn''t have to apologize or recuse himself because of Wrights comments any more than Hillary should apologize or recuse herself because of Ferraro''s comments. Second, your insinuation that Rev. Wright "hates America" is foolish, he served as a Marine during Viet Nam and you owe him a debt of gratitude for his service not this childish derision because of something he said in anger. Your comments are foolish and juvenile, grow up.
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    by taddles-2009 March 20, 2008 11:10 AM PDT
    "The information has been there all along...
    Posted by beinformed at 10:42 AM : Mar 20, 2008"

    Good question. Perhaps this is what the Hillary people meant when they said hey had some dirt on Obama but weren''t ready to use it yet.
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    by rowdytexan2 March 20, 2008 7:44 PM PDT
    67% of Dems are anti-Obama?!?! where did you get that from? Obama is in the lead in votes and delegates in the highest Dem turn out primary in history. How could that be if 67& of Dems are Anti-Obama. Please explain.


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    Posted by taddles at 10:53 AM : Mar 20, 200

    Nahhhhh, Hillary was too smart to put that out there!

    And Geraldine Ferraro was right. No other man would be given a look in at the presidency with such an obvious lack of credentials.
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    by stirg March 20, 2008 11:16 PM PDT
    Taddles-first of all ferraros comments were not in the same realm as Mr. Wright and that was not a momment -of anger-obama phrased it"sometimes, you can talk kind of rough" thats an understatement he spewed hate-black racism is''nt any better than white racism-you want respect-you have to give respect-you are''nt ENTITLED a pass on accusing everyone who does''nt agree with you-a racist. MR obama needed to give his speech to his pastor-and see how well it worked on him. Also was that another momment of anger- the sunday after 911,blaming america for terrorists attacking the towers-people in the congregation were amening and standing and cheering, for a momment I thought it was deja vue, muslims cheering the deaths of americans in the middle east-and you want us to understand you and sympathise-its very difficult
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    by whtpresident March 20, 2008 11:20 PM PDT
    taddles, I also served as a Marine and I''m here to tell you that his statements were unAmerican and not that of the Spirit of the Corps. I owe him nothing.
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    by whtpresident March 20, 2008 11:23 PM PDT
    If I were a voter in Mi or Fl and Obama did not support counting my vote, I would have a hard time voting for him in the general election. We need all of our Democratic voters in November. The DNC had better think long and hard before they offend voters in Mi and Fl. I also think we should hold the DNC responsible if this gets screwed up.


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    Posted by greenfun


    That is a very good point and one I hae not thought of. Time will tell if both show up as Red states in the General.
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