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February 23, 2008 1:04 PM

Clinton: "Shame on You, Barack Obama"

(CBS)
From CBS News' Fernando Suarez:

CINCINNATI -- Today, Hillary Clinton aggressively went after Barack Obama, criticizing him for playing similar political games to Karl Rove and at one point saying, "Shame on you, Barack Obama."

Speaking to reporters following a rally at a community college here, Clinton slammed Obama and his campaign for distributing mailings to Ohio voters attacking Clinton’s universal health care plan and her position on NAFTA.

“Today in the crowd I was given two mailings that Senator Obama’s campaign is sending and I have to express my deep disappointment that he is continuing to send false and discredited mailings with information that is not true to the voters of Ohio. He says one thing in speeches and then he turns around does this,” Clinton said waiving the two mailings at the cameras.

“Just because Senator Obama chose not to present a universal health care plan does not give him the right to attack me because I did. So let’s have a real campaign. Enough with the speeches and the big rallies and then using tactics that are right out of Karl Rove's playbook, this is wrong and every Democrat should be outraged.”

“Everything in those mailers is completely accurate," Obama campaign spokesman Bill Burton said in a statement. "We look forward to having a debate this Tuesday on the facts, and the facts are that Senator Clinton was a supporter of NAFTA and the China permanent trade treaties until this campaign began. And she herself has said that under the Clinton health care plan, she would consider 'going after the wages' of Americans who don't purchase health insurance, whether they can afford it or not,” Burton continued.

Clinton’s tough tone and sharp words are a stark difference from her tone and appearance on a debate in Austin, Texas two days ago.

When asked about her new tone Clinton skirted the question going back to the mailings and attacking the Obama campaign for funding them.

“This election is about misleading, false and discredited attacks that interfere with voters being able to make an informed judgment,” she said.

“I am not going to stand here and see this campaign polluted by the kind of misleading, discredited and false attacks. We deserve better than that. He’s been called out on it, he has been contradicted on it, he knows better and here it is ‘Paid for by the Obama for America Campaign.’”

“So, shame on you Barack Obama. It is time you ran a campaign consistent with your messages in public, that’s what I expect from you. Meet me in Ohio and let’s have a debate about your tactics and your behavior in this campaign.”

Earlier at the rally, she slammed President Bush, saying that under his presidency “the American people got shafted.”

She also suggested a parallel between Bush and her opponent Barack Obama, saying that talking "about change" doesn't necessarily translate into a successful presidency.

“You know people talk a lot about change in this election,” Clinton said.

”We have lived through some of the worst change anybody could imagine over the last 7 years. Do you think people voting in 2000 knew what they were getting? I don’t. People thought they were getting a compassionate conservative; and it turns out we got neither and we have lived with the consequences of those mistakes year after year after year.”

“Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me!” she added.

“Now more than ever we need a president we can count on, a president who’s in it for you,” said Clinton.

Clinton will hold another event in Ohio today before heading to Louisiana and Texas later this evening.
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by athy4 February 24, 2008 9:03 PM EST
Hillary owes it to the voters to challenge Sen. Obama when he may not be telling the truth.
See
www.cjr.org/campaign_desk/obamas_lobbyist_line.php
"Obama''s Lobbyist Line" Columbia Journalism Review 2/25/08 by Trudy Lieberman and
www.capitaleye.org/inside.asp?ID=336 "Seeking Super Delegates" By Lindsay Renick Mayer (Capital Eye Center For Responsive Politics).
Obama has misled public.How much support he is really getting from lobbyists? Also,it is Clinton who should be concerned about possible inappropriate influences by the Obama camp when it comes to Super Delegate votes. Sen Obama claims that Sen Clinton voted for the war in Iraq. She (and other members of Congress) did no such thing.When Congress approved the Authorization for the use of Military Force in Iraq Pres. Bush, VP Cheney, Colin POwell, and others in the Bush administration LIED to Congress. Congress approved what they were told was a bill to allow inspections to t ake place in Iraq for weapons of mass destruction. Sen obama thinks he can stand up better to McCain because he (Obama) opposed the war from the start? What form did your opposition take Sen Obama? The only ''early stage ''Obama opposition'' on public record is a statement you made during an anti-war rally held in Chicago. Why were you so weak in your opposition to the war when your voice needed to be heard when it mattered?
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by katefranklin February 24, 2008 5:37 PM EST
%u201CNow more than ever we need a president we can count on, a president who%u2019s in it for you.%u201D Hillary, try invoking the word "we" a little more, and "I" a little less, if you want to convince us that you''re the candidate of the folks. It is no secret that Hillary''s entire campaign is driven toward a coveted bullet point on her own pompous self-important resume.
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by darrren12000 February 24, 2008 10:26 AM EST
it would have helped if instead of just pointing out her tone - you actually took the time to show that the malings have been discredited. http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5g-qGLDs-gAnZiUXD2NU51ry3j3dwD8V0KN6O0
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by dittoga February 24, 2008 5:53 AM EST
Obama thinks he can do it without mandates because he''s done it before in Illinois, where he created a working, affordable health care plan in Illinois, that covers 70,000 kids and 84,000 adults, where all kids qualify for $40 per child.

Obama sponsored and passed this legislation, working with Rod R. Blagojevich(IL Gov.)

See All Kids http://www.allkids.com/

It is a model for a workable, affordable national health care.
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by dittoga February 24, 2008 5:49 AM EST
Hillary says Obama can''t criticize her on her mandate? That''s unfair?

Yet she can attack his plan for not having mandates? That is fair?

Is Hillary ok? It''s sad to see her do this.

But, she''s been doing worse. In January, she attacked Obama''s purported Kindergarten essay that her campaign claims to have unearthed from Obama''s kindergarten teacher in Indonesia about why Obama wanted to be president.

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1690519,00.html
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by PulSamsara February 24, 2008 5:42 AM EST
Wow... I actually voted for Hillary once.
She has become a sad figure in American politics.
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by dittoga February 24, 2008 5:31 AM EST
From Hillary''s own mouth taken work for work from (note: I added the emphasis):
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/ posted on 2.23.08

"Hillary has consistently said she would consider a range of ideas to ensure everyone was covered, including automatically enrolling people who use hospitals and other government services, and working with employers to enroll uninsured employees and ***GO AFTER A SMALL PORTION OF THEIR WAGES*** to cover the cost of healthcare. This is similar to the withholding structure that many employees use for their 401(k)s."


Taken from:

http://www.ohiodailyblog.com/content/obama-mailer-slams-clinton-nafta#comment-1285
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by dittoga February 24, 2008 5:29 AM EST
Bloomberg News'' "Clinton Breaks With Husband''s Legacy on Nafta Pact, China Trade" (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=atUKcP4eSEvY&refer=p...).

But the Bloomberg "Clinton Breaks With Husband''s Legacy" review insists on giving us not simply the new tactic, but also a little Hillary history. Some excerpts:

"Clinton promoted her husband''s trade agenda for years, and friends say that she''s a free-trader at heart. ''The simple fact is, nations with free-market systems do better,'' she said in a 1997 speech to the Corporate Council on Africa. ''Look around the globe: Those nations which have lowered trade barriers are prospering more than those that have not.''

And:

"Praise for Nafta"

"At the 1998 World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, she praised corporations for mounting ''a very effective business effort in the U.S. on behalf of Nafta.'' She added: ''It is certainly clear that we have not by any means finished the job that has begun''."

And:

"In her interview with Bloomberg, Clinton was careful to describe Nafta as having been negotiated by the administration of President George H.W. Bush ''and then pushed through Congress in the Clinton administration'',"


Taken from:
http://www.ohiodailyblog.com/content/obama-mailer-slams-clinton-nafta#comment-1190
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by wooha3 February 24, 2008 5:25 AM EST
Why does anyone pay attention to Hillary Clinton? She just keeps making attacks against Obama. Everything in the mailer is true! Unlike the mailers she has sent out in every primary state so far, with false information against him. What a witch!
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by dittoga February 24, 2008 5:13 AM EST
http://www.ohiodailyblog.com/content/obama-mailer-slams-clinton-nafta#comment-1285

Health Care Withholdings
Submitted by bamazook on Sat, 02/23/2008 - 10:57pm.

You should understand your candidate''s own position before reworking it to make her sound good...

From Hillary''s own mouth taken work for work from (note: I added the emphasis):
http://facts.hillaryhub.com/ posted on 2.23.08

"Hillary has consistently said she would consider a range of ideas to ensure everyone was covered, including automatically enrolling people who use hospitals and other government services, and working with employers to enroll uninsured employees and ***GO AFTER A SMALL PORTION OF THEIR WAGES*** to cover the cost of healthcare. This is similar to the withholding structure that many employees use for their 401(k)s."


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by lovedusties February 24, 2008 4:06 AM EST
It''s time for the Billary''s to give it up. I believe they''d eat their young to get back into the whitehouse.
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by ginty4 February 24, 2008 2:38 AM EST
Why is it so hard for Barak supporters to recognize that there is a learning curve at getting the right change accomplished? Why is it so hard to see that Universal Health Care needs to follow the models of Social Security and Medicare and if you start out with a compromised position - like Barak%u2019s - then it is all the easier for the Republicans to chew it down. Shame on YOU Barak supporters! You value your desire to be inspired more than you value health Care for us all. Shame on YOU!
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by wutuloadu February 24, 2008 2:12 AM EST
Hillary''s meltdown reminds me of that frustrated tirade the lady prosecutor in the famous "Kennedy rape trial" in Palm Beach spouted off. Does anyone remember that ? - " well Mr. Smith, what are you some kind of *** machine?!"...after the Kennedy clanboy calmly and cleverly explained his observations of that infamous night to the shrieking ,fist on hips, lady attorney that was clearly out of her league...that is not to say about all of our wonderfully professional lady lawyers today, but come on, she set the meter back on progress there one giant leap.
...kinda reminds me of this competition between a smooth talking, calm and collective pro with leadership qualities and the other... so out of her league.
- she''s starting to shriek now just as they said she will. heheh..."since when do democrats attack one another on healthcare ?"...indeed mz clinton, when ?
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by rrcampbell11 February 23, 2008 11:44 PM EST
Do we really want to spend four years (or more) listening to a president who thumps papers (especially ones she''s seem before and had plenty of time to refer to in her smiley debates) and who shouts "Shame" on someone like some mean ole grand school teacher?

I know this was a run-on sentence. Well, shame on me then.

: - (

(PS - The contrast between Clinton and Obama''s health care plans - the subject of the "shame on you" meltdown of today - was already discussed on the last debate. So what gives?)
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by bluedogtired February 23, 2008 10:24 PM EST
Ironic for Hillary Clinton to shame anyone. In order to shame someone you have to understand and appreciate what shame is. the Clinton''s are deviod of shame. Shame is not a part of their ethical, moral or cultural lexicon.

Attack! Attack! Distract! Distract! that is the Clinton stratedy. As for karl Rove- yeah he learned everything from them. it is time for change we don''t need these people to lead this country.

20 years of Clinton''s and Bush''s is enough. We''ve all had enough of this garbage.

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by bluedogtired February 23, 2008 9:44 PM EST
What an incredible acting job on the part of Hillary Clinton. To pull out a political flier from weeks ago and make it out to be some big deal as if he had claimed she was the illegitimate daughter of *** Nixon or something. What does the flier actually say- not much.

It%u2019s not like he accused her of pimping her daughter in Wisconsin- which she did.

It''s not like he accused her brother of getting paid to get people pardoned by her husband- all of which happened.

It''s not like he blamed her and her husband, because she was at ever cabinet meeting, for selling out the working people of the United States through NAFTA and by offer most favored Nation status to China- which is exactly what they did. Out sourcing started under Clinton not Bush.

I have to say "the lady doth protest too much."

It is up to the forth estate to set the record straight if they have the guts to face the Clinton attack machine.
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by amydugan1 February 23, 2008 9:29 PM EST
Obama says when he is president he will take the tax subsidies given to the oil and coal companies and use that money to invest in green technology, thereby creating jobs here in the US. BUT he fails to mention that in 2005 he voted YES for the Bush energy bill that is responsible for those very tax subsidies to the oil and coal companies.
Hillary voted NO!

Shame On You Barak Obama
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by massinspace February 23, 2008 9:10 PM EST
***???

All those fliers are completely accurate.

Plus these fliers have been distributed for WEEKS now. NO WAY this was just brought to the attention of her campaign. The fact that she''s just getting worked up about them right now is COMPLETELY TACTICAL!
She knows that she is the one being viewed as having run a really shady campaign, and that it is costing her. She is now trying to turn the tables... and ironically, is using more shady tactics to do it. SHAME ON YOU HILLARY!
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by nyclxpr February 23, 2008 8:36 PM EST
BARACK IS SOMEONE WHO TALKS A LOT BUT SAYS NOTHING. HIS FOREIGN POLICY ADVISERS ARE OLD CARTER PALS. HIS HEALTH PLAN IS NOTHING.HEALTHCARE MUST BE LIKE SOCIAL SECURITY.OR IT WILL NEVER WORK
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by greggheacock February 23, 2008 8:31 PM EST
Obama''s plan relies competition and freedom of choice, supported a Health Care Insurance Exchange, a government plan, and a research and review structure to explore options and lower costs. Hillary''s plan is mandated so that people have to pay what it costs and accept what it gives, even if the costs are high and the options are not what''s desired. It is supported by the government being willing to garnish wages of those who do not come on board.

Obama''s plan is open. Though clearly delineated, it will be the product of negotiations that are open to the public and can be viewed on CSPAN. Hillary''s plan is closed. Like her holiday ad when she offered a grateful nation gifts from under her tree, this one is already wrapped and ready to go--on Day One. That''s what she means when she says she is about solutions: It''s a done deal. We don''t need to be patronized, especially by someone whose patrons include the drug and insurance companies that are already overcharging us.

As we can already see with other mandated insurance plans like no-fault insurance, prices go up, not down. Drug companies and insurance companies that have funded Hillary''s campaign could be the real winners if her plan were to go through.

Obama''s plan involves a process that makes it transitional, giving incentives that benefit health care providers, lowering their own insurance costs along with the cost of providing care. It benefits everyone.
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