From The Road
February 13, 2008 8:16 PM

Clinton vs. Obama: Listen To the Crowd Noise

(CBS)
From CBS News National Correspondent Dean Reynolds:

SAN ANTONIO, TEX. -- One of the things you notice about Hillary Clinton's rallies is the tonal difference from the events Barack Obama holds.

With Obama you get a deep, thunderous roar -- fed by the many thousands he draws, but also by the many men in the audience.

At Clinton's events, the response is high-pitched. You hear the voices of women because there are so many in the audience. The sound to my ear is more plaintive, a room or gym or arena willing her to win.

On this night in San Antonio it is that way. Yet the crowd is perhaps more energized. There is a symbiosis between candidate and crowd. A shared belief that for Hillary, it's now or never.
She takes a few shots at Obama's obsession with change and his gauzy references to hope.

"The question is not whether we have change the question is whether we will have progress that makes a difference in people’s lives," she says to the 4,000 or so in attendance at St Mary's Catholic University.

“This does not happen by wishing for it, it doesn’t even happen by hoping for it. People live in hope. We have hope, what we need is help and help is on the way!”

Her message brims with practicality. "Solutions for America," says the sign behind her. Good government earnestness is on display. Quality health care, good jobs, decent wages, the disgrace of No Child Left Behind -- the same points Obama makes, though she takes issue with Obama's plan that is not universal, or not as universal as hers.

She stands up there on stage in her gold-colored jacket. Wide-eyed as she makes her points. Her voice breaking every so often as she shouts over the cheers.

She is trying hard. You can see it. She makes her points crisply and explains them compellingly. Her cadences are rhythmic. She feeds off the applause.

Could she be just now hitting her stride so late? Is it too late?

The crowd loves her. There is real affection in the air. It may be sisterhood, but it feels like more. In her way, Clinton's rallies are as distinctive as Obama's.

They're just not as loud.

CBS News' Fernando Suarez contributed to this report.
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by govegetarian-2009 February 13, 2008 11:53 PM PST
Five reasons women should support Hillary Clinton

1. 1872 Victoria Claflin Woodhull became the first woman US presidential candidate. (Women would not be allowed to officially vote until July 1920 with the passage of the 19th Amendment)

2. 1966 Indira Gandhi became Prime Minister of India (and again in 1980)

3. 1969 Golda Meir became Prime Minister of Israel

4. 1979 Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister of Great Britain

5. 2008 One hundred and thirty-six years after Woodhull%u2019s bid to lead our nation, America still has not had a female president. Yet worldwide other major nations (many others not noted here) have been far more progressive.

No, this cannot be about gender alone, but it''s a fact that Hillary Clinton is more qualified than her opponent. Consider, she has 7 years in the U.S. Senate vs. her opponent''s 3 years, that is still 4 more valuable years of experience in the National Government. (NOTE: 4 years is the difference between a high school diploma and a college degree)

If you agree, please cut and paste this and email it to all the wonderful, talented, savvy women in your life. I%u2019m sure they%u2019ll agree, it%u2019s about time we give ourselves a shot at the oval office.

Start by sending her cash (https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=3
) ...then, if you haven''t already, by casting your vote. And click here to donate $5 today.
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by jmontyjr1 February 14, 2008 1:19 AM PST
Given the fact that the Democractic Party has a chance to WIN the November Election......

Five Reasons Why We ALL should vote for Barack Obama....

1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!

Hey.... Hillary...I have A Solution.......Vote for OBAMA!!!!!!

Yes We Can!!!!
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by aj4321-2009 February 14, 2008 2:14 AM PST
If someone advocates one of the candidates because of his or her gender or race, it''s a direct insult on them. Hillary and Obama are both more than their race or gender. We want to attain a society that does not discriminate on the basis of gender or race. But if we think someone should be elected on the basis of race or gender, we will never attain this goal.
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by l00ker February 14, 2008 9:23 AM PST
Hillary is toast.
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by destardi February 14, 2008 9:53 AM PST
Given the fact that the Democractic Party has a chance to WIN the November Election......

Five Reasons Why We ALL should vote for Barack Obama....

1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!

Hey.... Hillary...I have A Solution.......Vote for OBAMA!!!!!!

Yes We Can!!!!


OH PLEASE

How is he bringing in "red states"? Are you forgetting that Republicans haven''t voted yet? Are you saying my republican boss who is voting for Obama in the primary because he wants to win in November with McCain is actually supporting Obama?

Oh my God you people are simple minded.

After 7 years of the press giving Bush a pass on EVERYTHING, you''re now sucking up everything the same press that''s hyping Obama impossibly too high?

Obama will never win the Presidency...and Dems are once again *** up.

But wait!

Hillary and Obama are NECK AND NECK...when Hillary was ahead by 25 delegates were people screaming that she was winning? Was the media sticking a fork in Obama?

Nope.

Hillary''s gonna win Ohio and Pennsylvania..Texas...HIllary is far from "toast."
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by virginiamom-2009 February 14, 2008 10:03 AM PST
Hillary is a real inspiration to all of us, and deserves our thanks and praise for a life dedicated to helping others - helping create the Adoption & Safe Families Act, instrumental in designing Children''s Health Insurance, working to help children through Vaccines for Children Program, donating proceeds from her ground breaking book, It Takes a Village, to children causes....the list goes on. Hillary - Our SUPERWOMAN!
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by progress_08 February 14, 2008 10:10 AM PST
Listen everybody, both candidates are strong candidates. It''s a great year. THAT is why voters are coming out in droves. It''s not because of one or the other. There are millions who have never voted but are doing so because of HILLARY and Obama. The question is: who do you believe will be able to push this nation towards the progress we need. It will require CHANGE AND EXPERIENCE. Just listen to Hillary in one debate. It is clear she has the experience. She understands this system inside and out. She has relationships with many countries around the world. She has been tested against the Republican attack dogs. Please remember Mondale, Kerry, Gore. They all were untarnished when they got the nomination but by the time the Repulicans were done with them, they had been knocked out. If Obama were to get the nomination, the same would happen to him. He needs some accomplishments to stand on so he can hold his ground with them. At this point, he doesn''t. In 4 or 8 years, he will. HILLARY is the best choice in this election and she will bring about amazing change that will benefit us all.

Please go to her website. hillaryclinton.com

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by truthworks2 February 14, 2008 10:20 AM PST
Change. If Obama''s the changemaker, why does he copy Clinton in ideas and platform? If he''s basically copying her and not putting forth new ideas, why should I think he''ll put forth new ideas in the Whitehouse??


From McCains Economic advisor:
"Obama''s (economic) plan. is the most shameless piece of potential plagiarism that I have ever seen. He basically took Clinton''s words and Clinton''s policies and called them his own. If I were a professor I''d give him an F and try to get him kicked out of school," said Kevin Hassett, Sen. John McCain''s economic advisor and the Director of Economic Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.

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by progress_08 February 14, 2008 10:23 AM PST
Listen everybody, both candidates are strong candidates. It''s a great year. THAT is why voters are coming out in droves. It''s not because of one or the other. There are millions who have never voted but are doing so because of HILLARY and Obama. The question is: who do you believe will be able to push this nation towards the progress we need. It will require CHANGE AND EXPERIENCE. Just listen to Hillary in one debate. It is clear she has the experience. She understands this system inside and out. She has relationships with many countries around the world. She has been tested against the Republican attack dogs. Please remember Mondale, Kerry, Gore. They all were untarnished when they got the nomination but by the time the Repulicans were done with them, they had been knocked out. If Obama were to get the nomination, the same would happen to him. He needs some accomplishments to stand on so he can hold his ground with them. At this point, he doesn''t. In 4 or 8 years, he will. HILLARY is the best choice in this election and she will bring about amazing change that will benefit us all.

Please go to her website. hillaryclinton.com

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by b-easy63 February 14, 2008 10:31 AM PST
It will require CHANGE AND EXPERIENCE. Just listen to Hillary in one debate. It is clear she has the experience. She understands this system inside and out.
Please go to her website. hillaryclinton.com


Posted by PROGRESS_08 at 10:23 AM : Feb 14, 2008

I see some of the things Hilary has done or is doing to win. I see the reruns of her planting questions and people at rallies to make herself look better (ala Bush technique) I see her making points about her platform but giving NO specifics, just like Obama, I see her platform is actually not that different from his, I see video of her being taped running illegal donor soirees, replete with asking the workers there for money (like Cher) I see what she and Bill did to Stan Lee and how they lied about knowing Peter Paul and hid the 200K he gave them, later blaming it all on a subordinate. I see her offering to buy us all with tax payer money, and I see her trying to shape the debate with lies, innuendo and race baiting. Those are experiences the public has recently had with Hilary. Not good experiences--but sometimes experience is NOT good--I prefer not to experience Hilary any longer....
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by b-easy63 February 14, 2008 10:37 AM PST
I see Hilary voting for war then saying she was never for it. I see her supporting DL for illegals then taking that support away, of saying she is against torture, then voting to not define it or restrict it--of condemning the overreaches of the FBI and CIA in wiretapping and the DOJ scandal then voting to expand the power of FISA and hand that power to the same DOJ and FBI. I hear her and don''t bother looking through the rose/pink colored glasses of feminism. I hear her bragging that she is an insider and knows all of the games and tricks and that she is hard enough and nasty enough to beat the Republicans at their old games. But in the end--if you use the tactics your enemies do to win--you become as bad as your enemy. WE are learning that as we embrace an illegal war and torture and confron the lies, death and devastation our acts cause--that ends up dwarfing the acts caused by the 9/11 terrorist. WE are starting to see a connection. This means that if we elect someone as venal, malicious, lying and manipulative as a Repbulican (because they can win) we may as well elect the real Republican--because in the end, you get the same result.

I say No to HIlary--because she has become the monster and if you think that is ok, because she is YOUR monster--understand monsters kowtow to and are ruled by no man--and they have no true loyalty either.
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by b-easy63 February 14, 2008 10:47 AM PST
Which is why Hilary can recant on granting DL''s to illegals, can abstain on voting for amnesty, can talk about securing the borders, then go right down to any heavily Hispanic pop and proclaim herself both friend and champion looking them right in the eyes. Which is why Hilary can talk about her dislike of the Bush years and war, repudiate his policies and find out that most of them she endorsed on down the line, why she can speak against torture, but will not bring up her resistance to minimizing it. She often claims otherwise or nuances her decision while looking you in the eye.

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by b-easy63 February 14, 2008 10:48 AM PST
hy Hilary can demand a debate to cover what has already been said in over 18 other debates, claim her rival is scared, when really she just wants free media and a sniping fest--and she can say all of that and look us right in the eye. She can be confronted with wrong doing or her own duplicity and it means nothing--monsters have no conscience. Right now, a criminal case concerning donations and campaign fraud is going on in CA--the people being investigated are Hilary and Bill--the judge presiding was appointed by Bill--he says Hilary is not involved and knew nothing, key witnesses have been held or detained to keep testimony from proceeding--but here is the kicker, Hilary is caught on tape discussing this very issue with one of the people who implicate her--but do you hear about THAT in the media? She is not fit to be President, she is as bad as Bush or worse--and supporters only lie that she is not (Just like Bush''s adherents did for him) because they prefer to ignore everything about her--but that she is theirs. SAme as any neo con mindset. Hilary is NOT Progress--she is Bush in a Blue wrapper.
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by sjl106 February 14, 2008 10:55 AM PST
I see obama supporting the war once he was in the relevant postion to do something about it. I see obama voting for the partiot act and voting for cheney''s energy policy, i see obama caving to the nuclear power industry and taking $230,000.00 in contributions from them and having lobbyist on his campaign and his questionable ties to rezko. i see obama as a FRAUD and the media perpetrating the biggest FRAUD on the American public. It is time for the American people to stop the fraud and ask the questions and analyze what is at stake.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/battletested_b_86355.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1202051345-WrQtClLACVYBKLqCr5L94Q

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by hpmoyer February 14, 2008 12:21 PM PST
Five Reasons Why We ALL should vote for Barack Obama....

1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!

1)He is bringing in Republicans (aka independents) who want him to get the nomination so they can crush him in November. There are very few young people voting, new or otherwise.
2)8 percent of Republicans are already voting for him but they call themselves independents. They''re not voting for him because they are captivated by his "change" speeches. Republicans don''t want change.
3)See 2) above.
4)He has shown that he can win blacks and people in red states who want him to be the nominee in November so they can crush him. Less than 1% vote in caucuses...says nothing about how people will vote in November.
5) People are indeed against the war just like Sen Obama. He did not "vote against the war" though and neither will Republicans vote for Obama in November. They may not like the war but they don''t want a novice deciding how it ends.
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by adelewolk February 14, 2008 12:22 PM PST
I am inspired by the roar of support Hillary is receiving. I still can''t believe that Obama is receiving support from highly educated voters. If education teaches us anything, it is not to fall for fancy rhetoric, but to analyze past performance and future policy. Our nation should consider the election as the hiring of the leader of the free world, with a resume that supports intelligence, hard work, plans to accomplish what is just talk from the opposition. Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, will wake the nation up to who can best serve us internationally, economically, socially, with daily dedication, and a knowledge of how to achieve our greatest hopes for our beloved country.
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by hpmoyer February 14, 2008 12:23 PM PST
Five Reasons Why We ALL should (not)vote for Barack Obama....

1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!

1)He is bringing in Republicans (aka independents) who want him to get the nomination so they can crush him in November. There are very few young people voting, new or otherwise.
2)8 percent of Republicans are already voting for him but they call themselves independents. They''re not voting for him because they are captivated by his "change" speeches. Republicans don''t want change.
3)See 2) above.
4)He has shown that he can win blacks and people in red states who want him to be the nominee in November so they can crush him. Less than 1% vote in caucuses...says nothing about how people will vote in November.
5) People are indeed against the war just like Sen Obama. He did not "vote against the war" though and neither will Republicans vote for Obama in November. They may not like the war but they don''t want a novice deciding how it ends.
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by adelewolk February 14, 2008 12:24 PM PST
I am inspired by the roar of support Hillary is receiving. I still can''t believe that Obama is receiving support from highly educated voters. If education teaches us anything, it is not to fall for fancy rhetoric, but to analyze past performance and future policy. Our nation should consider the election as the hiring of the leader of the free world, with a resume that supports intelligence, hard work, plans to accomplish what is just talk from the opposition. Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, will wake the nation up to who can best serve us internationally, economically, socially, with daily dedication, and a knowledge of how to achieve our greatest hopes for our beloved country.
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by hpmoyer February 14, 2008 12:24 PM PST
Five Reasons Why We ALL should (not)vote for Barack Obama....

1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!

1)He is bringing in Republicans (aka independents) who want him to get the nomination so they can crush him in November. There are very few young people voting, new or otherwise.
2)8 percent of Republicans are already voting for him but they call themselves independents. They''re not voting for him because they are captivated by his "change" speeches. Republicans don''t want change.
3)See 2) above.
4)He has shown that he can win blacks and people in red states who want him to be the nominee in November so they can crush him. Less than 1% vote in caucuses...says nothing about how people will vote in November.
5) People are indeed against the war just like Sen Obama. He did not "vote against the war" though and neither will Republicans vote for Obama in November. They may not like the war but they don''t want a novice deciding how it ends.
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by adelewolk February 14, 2008 12:25 PM PST
I am inspired by the roar of support Hillary is receiving. I still can''t believe that Obama is receiving support from highly educated voters. If education teaches us anything, it is not to fall for fancy rhetoric, but to analyze past performance and future policy. Our nation should consider the election as the hiring of the leader of the free world, with a resume that supports intelligence, hard work, plans to accomplish what is just talk from the opposition. Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, will wake the nation up to who can best serve us internationally, economically, socially, with daily dedication, and a knowledge of how to achieve our greatest hopes for our beloved country.
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by adelewolk February 14, 2008 12:27 PM PST
I am inspired by the roar of support Hillary is receiving. I still can''t believe that Obama is receiving support from highly educated voters. If education teaches us anything, it is not to fall for fancy rhetoric, but to analyze past performance and future policy. Our nation should consider the election as the hiring of the leader of the free world, with a resume that supports intelligence, hard work, plans to accomplish what is just talk from the opposition. Texas, Ohio, Pennsylvania, will wake the nation up to who can best serve us internationally, economically, socially, with daily dedication, and a knowledge of how to achieve our greatest hopes for our beloved country.
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by mmendoza6 February 14, 2008 12:48 PM PST
I was in Salinas, CA and heard Hillary speak accepting the United Farm Workers endorsement and she did not backslide as you state. She was very clear about her plan to secure the borders and require existing illegal aliens to get in line for citizenship, pay a fine, and their taxes. The crowd cheered knowing she was telling the truth, not making false promises. Hispanic voters aren''t naive. Hillary says what she means and she knows what she is talking about. Spend some time and educate yourself before you spout off. If you want idle promises from an unproven entity then you are just the kind of voter that was conned by Bush.
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by ecvilla115 February 14, 2008 12:48 PM PST
I have to agree with truthworks2. Although Obama is mustering all the hype, this is NOT his time and we will send another democrat candidate to oblivion. In 2004, Hillary%u2019s name came up for consideration and she understood, it was not her time. All Obama has done is splinter the party and in the end neither candidate will be elected. If Hillary is nominated the blacks won''t vote in the general election. If Obama wins the women and the Latino voters will sit out as well. I have been a voting democrat all my life and I am tried of weak candidates the likes of; Walter Mondale, George Dukakis, Gary Hart, Al Gore, John Kerry and now Barak Obama. It%u2019s time for experience and commitment. For those who don''t understand the political arena, those first time voters who have bought into the rhetoric of change,...you''ll have no one to blame but yourselves. How do you make choices for important issues in your lives. Do you listen to the wise and experienced older sibling, or do you attach yourself to the younger child who demands the rules of life change so they can be the decision maker, regardless of their inexperience and lack of maturity. Before Obama announced his candidacy Hillary was the overwhelming choice to be the standard barer. Men, women, Blacks, Asians, Latinos, young, old, you all agreed. Thanks for your loyalty.
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by bigpool1 February 14, 2008 12:50 PM PST
More & more often I feel this close race between Clinton & Obama is being gauged by excitement. Honestly, voters are so simple minded that they would vote for motivation over experience? As long as Obama can stand before you & speak only what you want to hear in his speeches, and not answer serious questions in debates, he''s got you in the palm of his hand. People, wake up, our country is in turmoil domestically & internationally. You only vote in the president, you don''t vote in the people he puts in place helping him make decisions. And Obama WILL need help as he himself stated in the last debate. I''m blown away & disappointed by the American people. America is in trouble; those in political positions that support Obama... there''s no way you have this country''s best interests in mind, & some of those voting Americans.. the motivation will be gone 6 months after the elections........... then there we are, with another Bush "on the job training" president. One day Obama will most definitely be a great leader, but I''m fearful of what will happen to our future if the American people allow him to try to gain that experience required to run a country while in the White House. Not yet. Obama has not paid his dues. Get real people. We need to get serious RIGHT NOW to recover from the damage the Bush administration has done to our country.
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by boohall6 February 14, 2008 12:52 PM PST
b-easy63, buzz off. You draw flies.
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by caseyonqnvp February 14, 2008 12:55 PM PST
Health insurance is a most important consideration. Adwquate insurance requires a large pool. In a voluntary coverage, where people could opt in and opt out, premiums would fluctuate and present an administrative nightmare. When people opt out, insurance companies would raise the premium rates probably in larger increments than necessary, like the petroleum companies do with gasoline. When lowering, they use smaller increments. Universal health care is better with universal coverage, with the latter not possible on a voluntary basis. The larger the pool (greater the spread of the risk) the lower the premiums. Clinton''s plan is far superior.
In Iraq, we are not fighting a war. We are referees in a domestic quarrel. There is no war to be won or lost. Therefor there is no such thing as surrender, only the recognition that domestic quarrels are best left to the parties directly involved.
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by liz38-2009 February 14, 2008 12:56 PM PST
It''s not just that we love her but more importantly we respect her for the 35 unselfish years she has devoted to OUR CHILDREN and I will remind you children don''t vote. She is GENUINE and the BEST candidate to give us SOLUTIONS which Americans desperately need.
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by hillaryfan February 14, 2008 1:08 PM PST
CLINTON = SOLUTIONS!
Obama = Questions.
CLINTON = PRACTICALITY!
Obama = Ideology.
CLINTON = REALITY!
Obama = Fantasy.

America doesn''t need another superstar. It''s time to get real.

CLINTON ''08!
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by suegraham1 February 14, 2008 1:10 PM PST
I am a serious supporter of Hillary and Democrats in general. I like Barack, but feel it is the wrong time to hire someone without experience. If Hillary doesn''t get the nomination, I don''t think I will be voting in this election.
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by amando3 February 14, 2008 1:11 PM PST
I am with Hillary all the way. As a Latino, I can tell you that she inspires me. She was the first candidate to acknowledge her support of Latinos in the debates. She has by far more knowledge of what it takes to be President than Obama. Obama did not mention Latinos until recently, WHEN he feels it necessary. On the other hand, Hillary has been with Latinos all the way. As a matter of fact, Hillary is for ALL Americans and she acts on her promises instead of being just talk, talk, talk!
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by tuckpet February 14, 2008 1:12 PM PST
I believe Obama has a tremendous amount of charisma, but we need a person who can fix this country, who speaks beyond rhetoric and speaks facts and gives solutions to problems. This is not the year for Obama, he would be a great Vice President and could learn a lot during that tenure. Go Hillary, save this country.
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by amando3 February 14, 2008 1:13 PM PST
I am with Hillary all the way. As a Latino, I can tell you that she inspires me. She was the first candidate to acknowledge her support of Latinos in the debates. She has by far more knowledge of what it takes to be President than Obama. Hillary has been with Latinos all the way. Furthermore, Hillary is for ALL Americans and she acts on her promises instead of being just talk, talk, talk!
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by bk49120 February 14, 2008 1:24 PM PST
Hillary is undoubtedly the best Presidential Candidate we have today. Obama is dogging her for voting for the war. Well, she wasn''t the only person in Congress to do so. Obama DID NOT vote AGAINST THE WAR! He was not in a position to vote against it. He has been a Senator only a year now. He is being dishonest by omission here. Since he is dishonest about that; how does he or anyone else know HOW he would have voted for the war? He wasn''t privy to the information and lies given to Congress to get their vote. Obama is basing his campaign on "Change"; while Hillary has been already putting in Changes for decades, he has a long way to go to catch up with her on the "Change" issue. He definitely has a lack of maturity and experience crucially needed for the next President who will be faced with the most formidable problems and challenges a new President could face. We JUST PLAIN NEED EXPERIENCE, and not naivety at this time in our History.
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by bk49120 February 14, 2008 1:29 PM PST
Hillary is undoubtedly the best Presidential Candidate we have today. Obama is dogging her for voting for the war. Well, she wasn''t the only person in Congress to do so. Obama DID NOT vote AGAINST THE WAR! He was not in a position to vote against it. He has been a Senator only a year now. He is being dishonest by omission here. Since he is dishonest about that; how does he or anyone else know HOW he would have voted for the war? He wasn''t privy to the information and lies given to Congress to get their vote. Obama is basing his campaign on "Change"; while Hillary has been already putting in Changes for decades, he has a long way to go to catch up with her on the "Change" issue. He definitely has a lack of maturity and experience crucially needed for the next President who will be faced with the most formidable problems and challenges a new President could face. We JUST PLAIN NEED EXPERIENCE, and not naivety at this time in our History.
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by bk49120 February 14, 2008 1:31 PM PST
Hillary is undoubtedly the best Presidential Candidate we have today. Obama is dogging her for voting for the war. Well, she wasn''t the only person in Congress to do so. Obama DID NOT vote AGAINST THE WAR! He was not in a position to vote against it. He has been a Senator only a year now. He is being dishonest by omission here. Since he is dishonest about that; how does he or anyone else know HOW he would have voted for the war? He wasn''t privy to the information and lies given to Congress to get their vote. Obama is basing his campaign on "Change"; while Hillary has been already putting in Changes for decades, he has a long way to go to catch up with her on the "Change" issue. He definitely has a lack of maturity and experience crucially needed for the next President who will be faced with the most formidable problems and challenges a new President could face. We JUST PLAIN NEED EXPERIENCE, and not naivety at this time in our History.
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by mjjens February 14, 2008 1:31 PM PST
Thank you for noticing the ever greater difference between Hillary and Obama supporters. I''m increasingly alarmed at the cult-like fervor coming from the Obama side, so much that they will certainly never support another candidate.

And where once I would have happily voted for either, the intense vitriol clogging the Internet plus the media''s seeming attempt to control the election through biased reporting has made me fear Obama more than any Republican.

His candidacy has brought out the worst, and may be the undoing of the Democratic party, because I will now never, ever vote for him. And I know this sentiment is growing quickly.
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by February 14, 2008 1:32 PM PST
I am SO RELIEVED to be reading comments that are both supportive of Hillary, AND respectful of Obama. Everywhere ELSE i go i seem to see more and more vitriolic, ugly comments from Obama supporters about how vile Hillary is. That sounds more like Republican opinion than that of Democrats!

I''ve seen Hillary Clinton speak here in NY. She is charismatic and passionate - not to mention so obviously super-intelligent. She was so, so impressive in person.

The Presidency doesn''t come with training wheels. "I''m a Washington outsider, i''ll learn on the job" didn''t work so well for W! Barack Obama needs more seasoning and more experience. I''m all for Obama for President, in 2016!
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by mjjens February 14, 2008 1:32 PM PST
Thank you for noticing the ever greater difference between Hillary and Obama supporters. I''m increasingly alarmed at the cult-like fervor coming from the Obama side, so much that they will certainly never support another candidate.

And where once I would have happily voted for either, the intense vitriol clogging the Internet plus the media''s seeming attempt to control the election through biased reporting has made me fear Obama more than any Republican.

His candidacy has brought out the worst, and may be the undoing of the Democratic party, because I will now never, ever vote for him. And I know this sentiment is growing quickly.
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by mjjens February 14, 2008 1:33 PM PST
Thank you for noticing the ever greater difference between Hillary and Obama supporters. I''m increasingly alarmed at the cult-like fervor coming from the Obama side, so much that they will certainly never support another candidate.

And where once I would have happily voted for either, the intense vitriol clogging the Internet plus the media''s seeming attempt to control the election through biased reporting has made me fear Obama more than any Republican.

His candidacy has brought out the worst, and may be the undoing of the Democratic party, because I will now never, ever vote for him. And I know this sentiment is growing quickly.
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by mjjens February 14, 2008 1:35 PM PST
Thank you for noticing the ever greater difference between Hillary and Obama supporters. I''m increasingly alarmed at the cult-like fervor coming from the Obama side, so much that they will certainly never support another candidate.

And where once I would have happily voted for either, the intense vitriol clogging the Internet plus the media''s seeming attempt to control the election through biased reporting has made me fear Obama more than any Republican.

His candidacy has brought out the worst, and may be the undoing of the Democratic party, because I will now never, ever vote for him. And I know this sentiment is growing quickly.
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by prantha February 14, 2008 1:37 PM PST
Perhaps because I actually read Obama''s position on the issues (and many posters here appear not to have done so), I support Barack Obama. Further, Hillary has high negatives - and the GOP wants her to win because she will unite a dispirited Republican Party and give them their best chance of keeping the White House in November.
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John Becker, a Clermont County (Ohio) Republican who represents much of southern Ohio on the Ohio Republican Party Central Committee said "There is nobody who can consolidate and energize the Republican Party like Hillary Clinton. It will get the people out and the money will flow."

I want the Democratic Party to regain the White House and restore the Constitution. I''m a Latina as well.
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by February 14, 2008 1:43 PM PST
Hillary talks the talk AND walks the walk.

Obama just talks and talks.

Thanks for recognizing that Hillary does inspire people.
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by phdforhill February 14, 2008 1:46 PM PST

Once I was 10 and John Kennedy was debating Nixon...I was so taken by the hope he generated (as well as his oratory)...on that day I became a democrat (in an all republican family). I couldn''t understand why the elders in my family warned about his relatively low level of experience (more actually than Obama today)...the truth is I couldn''t know then what I didn''t know -- experience and wisdom matters in making decisions (without Bobbie Kennedy the cuban missle crisis might likely have ended in disaster)...That and Hillary''s solid support for science wins my vote....An academic
P.S. has anyone broken down support by whether the "educated" have Ph.D.s and/or are professors?
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by sandysemerad February 14, 2008 1:57 PM PST
Great article Dean Reynolds.
I voted for Hillary in Florida and my vote had better count. I think Hillary is the superstar of this campaign, and I feel fortunate to have the opportunity to vote for this brilliant candidate with the experience necessary to lead us and bring about real change, not just talk about change as Obama does. If you listen to Obama closely you''ll notice he has begun to regurgitate Hillary''s plan, the plan she''s been talking about since the beginning. But make no mistake, she''s original, the real deal, the person we need to lead us.
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by plumgang February 14, 2008 2:03 PM PST
PhDforHill, doeadeer3, MJJens, mishelby--I''m in agreement with you TOTALLY. As for, prantha, you are hoping, of course, that once the media gets its teeth into your man, Obama, he''ll come out unscathed. I do believe there are some skeletons in his closet, but to be respectful of his followers, I will not say anything other than to say that, as the Republicans have done in the past, they will likewise take anything in Obama''s past even remotely off color and make sure everyone and their dog hears about it. His high approval ratings are as high as they will get, and we know Hillary''s are as low as they can ever get. My thought is that her approval ratings will be higher than his when it all comes out in the wash.
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by patrick3612 February 14, 2008 2:12 PM PST
Obama is now copying Hillary Clinton''s Economic Plans. I
think she inspires us all.I Guess
Obama is a Hillary supporter now.
I think we know who is the Leader
and who is the Follower. LOL ,Go
Hillary our next President.
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by sheeeeba-2009 February 14, 2008 2:13 PM PST
Not only is Hilary Clinton the most qualified candidate, she is also a Woman. All one has to do is look at American History- or world history- and see how the time has come for a woman to be the next President.

Hilary Clinton is a remarkable candidate, and being a woman she is a representative of women. Let%u2019s not forget how our vote was earned by the hard work of generations of women before us. Let%u2019s not forget how we have always been under the thumb of a male dominated society. And the statistics show that men are still voting more for a man- no matter what race- than a woman. Let%u2019s not forget how much of a battle it has been to secure women%u2019s rights in this country. And how still there is much inequality. Just look around and you%u2019ll see that it is still very much a %u201Cman%u2019s world%u201D. And the majority of men want to keep it that way.

I am not putting down men. I am married to one of them. There are many good men! But there is a social conditioning that women, (and some good men friends) have had to fight against and breakthrough. And we have broken through, but we have a long ways to go before the social conditioning dissolves completely.




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by thinkinwoman February 14, 2008 2:14 PM PST
I know how Dean Reynolds feels. I took my 14 year old daughter to a Clinton speaking event here in CT, 2 weeks later my husband took her to a McCain event. What my daughter and I both remarked on was the feeling of genuine caring that you get from Hillary when you get to hear her in person. You know that she cares deeply about the people & the issues. I was a Hillary supporter before that event, but after it I made a decision to campaign for her. Yes, I do believe in supporting smart, experienced, dedicated & passionate women & no, I don''t think that Hillary will be insulted to hear that, as one poster commented. I actually think it is OK to mention that she''s a woman. When this country starts paying, promoting & recognizing women as equals, then we can stop bringing it up.
I had never contributed to a Presidential campaign prior to this, let alone campaign for someone. I have always been an independent & have voted in every election I was eligible to do so over the past 34 years but I did register as a Democrat in order to vote for Hillary this year.

Thanks to all of the anti-Hillary posters here. The way I see it you wouldn''t waste the energy to say anything unless you thought she could win. Thanks for the vote of confidence in our girl!
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by sheeeeba-2009 February 14, 2008 2:23 PM PST
(To Diligence!)
Not only is Hilary Clinton the most qualified candidate, she is also a Woman. All one has to do is look at American History- or world history- and see how the time has come for a woman to be the next President.

Hilary Clinton is a remarkable candidate, and being a woman she is a representative of women. Let%u2019s not forget how our vote was earned by the hard work of generations of women before us. Let%u2019s not forget how we have always been under the thumb of a male dominated society. And the statistics show that men are still voting more for a man- no matter what race- than a woman. Let%u2019s not forget how much of a battle it has been to secure women%u2019s rights in this country. And how still there is much inequality. Just look around and you%u2019ll see that it is still very much a %u201Cman%u2019s world%u201D. And the majority of men want to keep it that way.

I am not putting down men. I am married to one of them. There are many good men! But there is a social conditioning that women, (and some good men friends) have had to fight against and breakthrough. And we have broken through, but we have a long ways to go before the social conditioning dissolves completely. This social conditioning has hurt women throughout time, and still hurts women.

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by February 14, 2008 2:23 PM PST
I came across this the other day: http://ms.foundation.org/wmspage.cfm?parm1=524

Its a commentary by the CEO and Pres. of the Ms. Foundation regarding the still very present sexism in this country. Its a great, short, very important read. Although I''m not sure of how recently she wrote it.

I was an Edwards supporter at the very beginning and Hillary very quickly won me over by her performance at the debates. My husband is also a Hillary supporter and he is so disappointed at the disdain white men seem to have for her. What a shame...
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