Clinton vs. Obama: Listen To the Crowd Noise
(CBS)
SAN ANTONIO, TEX. -- One of the things you notice about Hillary Clinton's rallies is the tonal difference from the events Barack Obama holds.
With Obama you get a deep, thunderous roar -- fed by the many thousands he draws, but also by the many men in the audience.
At Clinton's events, the response is high-pitched. You hear the voices of women because there are so many in the audience. The sound to my ear is more plaintive, a room or gym or arena willing her to win.
On this night in San Antonio it is that way. Yet the crowd is perhaps more energized. There is a symbiosis between candidate and crowd. A shared belief that for Hillary, it's now or never.
She takes a few shots at Obama's obsession with change and his gauzy references to hope.
"The question is not whether we have change the question is whether we will have progress that makes a difference in people’s lives," she says to the 4,000 or so in attendance at St Mary's Catholic University.
“This does not happen by wishing for it, it doesn’t even happen by hoping for it. People live in hope. We have hope, what we need is help and help is on the way!”
Her message brims with practicality. "Solutions for America," says the sign behind her. Good government earnestness is on display. Quality health care, good jobs, decent wages, the disgrace of No Child Left Behind -- the same points Obama makes, though she takes issue with Obama's plan that is not universal, or not as universal as hers.
She stands up there on stage in her gold-colored jacket. Wide-eyed as she makes her points. Her voice breaking every so often as she shouts over the cheers.
She is trying hard. You can see it. She makes her points crisply and explains them compellingly. Her cadences are rhythmic. She feeds off the applause.
Could she be just now hitting her stride so late? Is it too late?
The crowd loves her. There is real affection in the air. It may be sisterhood, but it feels like more. In her way, Clinton's rallies are as distinctive as Obama's.
They're just not as loud.
CBS News' Fernando Suarez contributed to this report.
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See all 74 Comments1. 1872 Victoria Claflin Woodhull became the first woman US presidential candidate. (Women would not be allowed to officially vote until July 1920 with the passage of the 19th Amendment)
2. 1966 Indira Gandhi became Prime Minister of India (and again in 1980)
3. 1969 Golda Meir became Prime Minister of Israel
4. 1979 Margaret Thatcher became Prime Minister of Great Britain
5. 2008 One hundred and thirty-six years after Woodhull%u2019s bid to lead our nation, America still has not had a female president. Yet worldwide other major nations (many others not noted here) have been far more progressive.
No, this cannot be about gender alone, but it''s a fact that Hillary Clinton is more qualified than her opponent. Consider, she has 7 years in the U.S. Senate vs. her opponent''s 3 years, that is still 4 more valuable years of experience in the National Government. (NOTE: 4 years is the difference between a high school diploma and a college degree)
If you agree, please cut and paste this and email it to all the wonderful, talented, savvy women in your life. I%u2019m sure they%u2019ll agree, it%u2019s about time we give ourselves a shot at the oval office.
Start by sending her cash (https://contribute.hillaryclinton.com/form.html?sc=3
) ...then, if you haven''t already, by casting your vote. And click here to donate $5 today.
Five Reasons Why We ALL should vote for Barack Obama....
1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!
Hey.... Hillary...I have A Solution.......Vote for OBAMA!!!!!!
Yes We Can!!!!
Five Reasons Why We ALL should vote for Barack Obama....
1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!
Hey.... Hillary...I have A Solution.......Vote for OBAMA!!!!!!
Yes We Can!!!!
OH PLEASE
How is he bringing in "red states"? Are you forgetting that Republicans haven''t voted yet? Are you saying my republican boss who is voting for Obama in the primary because he wants to win in November with McCain is actually supporting Obama?
Oh my God you people are simple minded.
After 7 years of the press giving Bush a pass on EVERYTHING, you''re now sucking up everything the same press that''s hyping Obama impossibly too high?
Obama will never win the Presidency...and Dems are once again *** up.
But wait!
Hillary and Obama are NECK AND NECK...when Hillary was ahead by 25 delegates were people screaming that she was winning? Was the media sticking a fork in Obama?
Nope.
Hillary''s gonna win Ohio and Pennsylvania..Texas...HIllary is far from "toast."
Please go to her website. hillaryclinton.com
From McCains Economic advisor:
"Obama''s (economic) plan. is the most shameless piece of potential plagiarism that I have ever seen. He basically took Clinton''s words and Clinton''s policies and called them his own. If I were a professor I''d give him an F and try to get him kicked out of school," said Kevin Hassett, Sen. John McCain''s economic advisor and the Director of Economic Policy Studies at the American Enterprise Institute.
Please go to her website. hillaryclinton.com
Please go to her website. hillaryclinton.com
Posted by PROGRESS_08 at 10:23 AM : Feb 14, 2008
I see some of the things Hilary has done or is doing to win. I see the reruns of her planting questions and people at rallies to make herself look better (ala Bush technique) I see her making points about her platform but giving NO specifics, just like Obama, I see her platform is actually not that different from his, I see video of her being taped running illegal donor soirees, replete with asking the workers there for money (like Cher) I see what she and Bill did to Stan Lee and how they lied about knowing Peter Paul and hid the 200K he gave them, later blaming it all on a subordinate. I see her offering to buy us all with tax payer money, and I see her trying to shape the debate with lies, innuendo and race baiting. Those are experiences the public has recently had with Hilary. Not good experiences--but sometimes experience is NOT good--I prefer not to experience Hilary any longer....
I say No to HIlary--because she has become the monster and if you think that is ok, because she is YOUR monster--understand monsters kowtow to and are ruled by no man--and they have no true loyalty either.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-wilson/battletested_b_86355.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/us/politics/03exelon.html?hp=&adxnnl=1&adxnnlx=1202051345-WrQtClLACVYBKLqCr5L94Q
1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!
1)He is bringing in Republicans (aka independents) who want him to get the nomination so they can crush him in November. There are very few young people voting, new or otherwise.
2)8 percent of Republicans are already voting for him but they call themselves independents. They''re not voting for him because they are captivated by his "change" speeches. Republicans don''t want change.
3)See 2) above.
4)He has shown that he can win blacks and people in red states who want him to be the nominee in November so they can crush him. Less than 1% vote in caucuses...says nothing about how people will vote in November.
5) People are indeed against the war just like Sen Obama. He did not "vote against the war" though and neither will Republicans vote for Obama in November. They may not like the war but they don''t want a novice deciding how it ends.
1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!
1)He is bringing in Republicans (aka independents) who want him to get the nomination so they can crush him in November. There are very few young people voting, new or otherwise.
2)8 percent of Republicans are already voting for him but they call themselves independents. They''re not voting for him because they are captivated by his "change" speeches. Republicans don''t want change.
3)See 2) above.
4)He has shown that he can win blacks and people in red states who want him to be the nominee in November so they can crush him. Less than 1% vote in caucuses...says nothing about how people will vote in November.
5) People are indeed against the war just like Sen Obama. He did not "vote against the war" though and neither will Republicans vote for Obama in November. They may not like the war but they don''t want a novice deciding how it ends.
1) He is bringing in NEW Voters
2) 8% of Republicans would Vote for him !!!
3) He has consistantly won Independent Voters
4) He Has shown that he can WIN across the Country
5) HE beats McCain ..... Note. -3/4 of the American Population - RED and Blue - THE UNITED States are against the WAR!!!!
1)He is bringing in Republicans (aka independents) who want him to get the nomination so they can crush him in November. There are very few young people voting, new or otherwise.
2)8 percent of Republicans are already voting for him but they call themselves independents. They''re not voting for him because they are captivated by his "change" speeches. Republicans don''t want change.
3)See 2) above.
4)He has shown that he can win blacks and people in red states who want him to be the nominee in November so they can crush him. Less than 1% vote in caucuses...says nothing about how people will vote in November.
5) People are indeed against the war just like Sen Obama. He did not "vote against the war" though and neither will Republicans vote for Obama in November. They may not like the war but they don''t want a novice deciding how it ends.
In Iraq, we are not fighting a war. We are referees in a domestic quarrel. There is no war to be won or lost. Therefor there is no such thing as surrender, only the recognition that domestic quarrels are best left to the parties directly involved.
Obama = Questions.
CLINTON = PRACTICALITY!
Obama = Ideology.
CLINTON = REALITY!
Obama = Fantasy.
America doesn''t need another superstar. It''s time to get real.
CLINTON ''08!
And where once I would have happily voted for either, the intense vitriol clogging the Internet plus the media''s seeming attempt to control the election through biased reporting has made me fear Obama more than any Republican.
His candidacy has brought out the worst, and may be the undoing of the Democratic party, because I will now never, ever vote for him. And I know this sentiment is growing quickly.
I''ve seen Hillary Clinton speak here in NY. She is charismatic and passionate - not to mention so obviously super-intelligent. She was so, so impressive in person.
The Presidency doesn''t come with training wheels. "I''m a Washington outsider, i''ll learn on the job" didn''t work so well for W! Barack Obama needs more seasoning and more experience. I''m all for Obama for President, in 2016!
And where once I would have happily voted for either, the intense vitriol clogging the Internet plus the media''s seeming attempt to control the election through biased reporting has made me fear Obama more than any Republican.
His candidacy has brought out the worst, and may be the undoing of the Democratic party, because I will now never, ever vote for him. And I know this sentiment is growing quickly.
And where once I would have happily voted for either, the intense vitriol clogging the Internet plus the media''s seeming attempt to control the election through biased reporting has made me fear Obama more than any Republican.
His candidacy has brought out the worst, and may be the undoing of the Democratic party, because I will now never, ever vote for him. And I know this sentiment is growing quickly.
And where once I would have happily voted for either, the intense vitriol clogging the Internet plus the media''s seeming attempt to control the election through biased reporting has made me fear Obama more than any Republican.
His candidacy has brought out the worst, and may be the undoing of the Democratic party, because I will now never, ever vote for him. And I know this sentiment is growing quickly.
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John Becker, a Clermont County (Ohio) Republican who represents much of southern Ohio on the Ohio Republican Party Central Committee said "There is nobody who can consolidate and energize the Republican Party like Hillary Clinton. It will get the people out and the money will flow."
I want the Democratic Party to regain the White House and restore the Constitution. I''m a Latina as well.
Obama just talks and talks.
Thanks for recognizing that Hillary does inspire people.
Once I was 10 and John Kennedy was debating Nixon...I was so taken by the hope he generated (as well as his oratory)...on that day I became a democrat (in an all republican family). I couldn''t understand why the elders in my family warned about his relatively low level of experience (more actually than Obama today)...the truth is I couldn''t know then what I didn''t know -- experience and wisdom matters in making decisions (without Bobbie Kennedy the cuban missle crisis might likely have ended in disaster)...That and Hillary''s solid support for science wins my vote....An academic
P.S. has anyone broken down support by whether the "educated" have Ph.D.s and/or are professors?
I voted for Hillary in Florida and my vote had better count. I think Hillary is the superstar of this campaign, and I feel fortunate to have the opportunity to vote for this brilliant candidate with the experience necessary to lead us and bring about real change, not just talk about change as Obama does. If you listen to Obama closely you''ll notice he has begun to regurgitate Hillary''s plan, the plan she''s been talking about since the beginning. But make no mistake, she''s original, the real deal, the person we need to lead us.
think she inspires us all.I Guess
Obama is a Hillary supporter now.
I think we know who is the Leader
and who is the Follower. LOL ,Go
Hillary our next President.
Hilary Clinton is a remarkable candidate, and being a woman she is a representative of women. Let%u2019s not forget how our vote was earned by the hard work of generations of women before us. Let%u2019s not forget how we have always been under the thumb of a male dominated society. And the statistics show that men are still voting more for a man- no matter what race- than a woman. Let%u2019s not forget how much of a battle it has been to secure women%u2019s rights in this country. And how still there is much inequality. Just look around and you%u2019ll see that it is still very much a %u201Cman%u2019s world%u201D. And the majority of men want to keep it that way.
I am not putting down men. I am married to one of them. There are many good men! But there is a social conditioning that women, (and some good men friends) have had to fight against and breakthrough. And we have broken through, but we have a long ways to go before the social conditioning dissolves completely.
I had never contributed to a Presidential campaign prior to this, let alone campaign for someone. I have always been an independent & have voted in every election I was eligible to do so over the past 34 years but I did register as a Democrat in order to vote for Hillary this year.
Thanks to all of the anti-Hillary posters here. The way I see it you wouldn''t waste the energy to say anything unless you thought she could win. Thanks for the vote of confidence in our girl!
Not only is Hilary Clinton the most qualified candidate, she is also a Woman. All one has to do is look at American History- or world history- and see how the time has come for a woman to be the next President.
Hilary Clinton is a remarkable candidate, and being a woman she is a representative of women. Let%u2019s not forget how our vote was earned by the hard work of generations of women before us. Let%u2019s not forget how we have always been under the thumb of a male dominated society. And the statistics show that men are still voting more for a man- no matter what race- than a woman. Let%u2019s not forget how much of a battle it has been to secure women%u2019s rights in this country. And how still there is much inequality. Just look around and you%u2019ll see that it is still very much a %u201Cman%u2019s world%u201D. And the majority of men want to keep it that way.
I am not putting down men. I am married to one of them. There are many good men! But there is a social conditioning that women, (and some good men friends) have had to fight against and breakthrough. And we have broken through, but we have a long ways to go before the social conditioning dissolves completely. This social conditioning has hurt women throughout time, and still hurts women.
Its a commentary by the CEO and Pres. of the Ms. Foundation regarding the still very present sexism in this country. Its a great, short, very important read. Although I''m not sure of how recently she wrote it.
I was an Edwards supporter at the very beginning and Hillary very quickly won me over by her performance at the debates. My husband is also a Hillary supporter and he is so disappointed at the disdain white men seem to have for her. What a shame...
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