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February 9, 2008 12:57 PM

Clinton Turns Tables, Calls Obama the "Establishment" Candidate

(CBS)
From CBS News' Fernando Suarez:

ORONO, MAINE -- For months, Hillary Clinton has battled the image that she is the "status quo" candidate - an image that has been strongly pushed by Barack Obama and former rival John Edwards.

But today, Clinton is trying to turn the tables on Obama saying that he has "increasingly run an establishment race and he has increasingly relied on big endorsements and celebrities to sort of attach himself to to get the kind of validation that comes from that sort of endorsement."

At a news conference at the University of Maine, Clinton added that Obama's positions have shifted with outside pressures.

"And he has increasingly, in my view, really tailored his positions so that they are more establishment-oriented like giving up on universal health care, so I think there is an argument to be made there. If we want a Democrat to be the Democratic standard bearer, who stands for the positive, progressive agenda of the Democratic party as opposed to more of the same or a little less than more of the same, then I think I’m the best candidate to carry that message."

In the past few days Clinton has sharpened her rhetoric toward Obama. Last night at a rally in Spokane, Washington, Clinton likened Obama to President Bush.

Clinton has also been saying that she is the best candidate to run against John McCain in the general election, claiming that her experience puts her in a better position to do so.

“I have been vetted, tested and proven as a winning candidate against tough opposition. I think that’s a great advantage that I take into the general election.”

She went on to say that she is the candidate who people can "imagine" to be the president, implying that Obama lacks that quality.

"There is no doubt in my mind that [McCain] and his campaign and the Republican party will once again try to make this about national security and its imperative that we have a Democratic candidate that people can imagine as commander-in-chief, standing there with Senator McCain, and I believe that I cross that threshold,” Clinton said.

For weeks, both the Obama campaign and the Clinton campaign have talked about the importance of delegates in this race, and with both Obama and Clinton in a dead heat for the party's nomination, every delegate is going to matter.

But Obama has called on superdelegates, who are not permanently committed to any one candidate, to back the support of pledged delegates. Clinton disagrees

“Well superdelegates by design are supposed to exercise independent judgment. That is the way the system works. But of course if Senator Obama and his campaign continue to push this position, which is really contrary to what the definition of superdelegate has historically meant, I will look forward to receiving the support of Senator Kennedy and Senator Kerry,” said Clinton.

"And I think, again, if people want to go after delegates were in places where I’ve won who are supporting somebody else, then what’s good for the goose should be good for the gander.”
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by tulwar-2009 February 9, 2008 2:44 PM PST
I''m starting to see what the Republicans see in Clinton, and It''s not very pretty.
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by suibulp February 9, 2008 2:54 PM PST
Hillary demonstrated what an "establishment candidate" she is when she voted on October 10, 2002 to authorize the President to go to war with Iraq. As she said on the Senate floor, "This is a very difficult vote. This is probably the hardest decision I have ever had to make. Any vote that might lead to war should be hard but I cast it with conviction."

Hillary claims to be so concerned with the poor and middle class of this country yet she turned her back on the poor and middle class with her 2002 Iraq Vote. Since her Iraq vote 3,952 service women and men have been killed in Iraq. Most of these hero''''s do not have Yale law degrees but rather come from blue collar working families.

Politics is not a game. It is about real people and political decisions have serious consequences. Hillary is a "seasoned politician." So too is George W. Bush and *** Cheney. This country doesn''''t need more "seasoned politicians". This country needs judgment. As Hillary stated herself, her Iraq vote was the most difficult decision she had to make. And she made it with "conviction". Unfortuanely she was dead wrong on the most important decsion of her life. Almost 4,000 Americans and hundred of thousands of Iraqis have been killed since that vote. That''''s not the type of "experience" this country and the world needs in its next President.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkS9y
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by tmcc7 February 9, 2008 2:58 PM PST
Wow- does Hillary really think we''re that naive?
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by ladyvet1 February 9, 2008 3:04 PM PST
Pretty hard to sell that argument. Obama started from scratch, with zero national organization a little over a year ago. First they said he was a flash in the pan, that he couldn''t get enough money to compete, then they said he wasn''t black enough, then they said he was too black to get votes from whites, then they said he was not tough enough, then they said he didn''t have enough time to catch up. What "they" are missing is that "WE the People" are ready to make America better. that we trust Obama''s judgement, integrity, character, temperament, and experience to help US get to a better place. WE are tired of small, petty, "us" vs "them" politics where parties change but the problems never get solved.

I wish journalists would begin to ask themselves what they can do for their country too.
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by mobear4 February 9, 2008 3:14 PM PST
She will say anything to get elected!

It sums it all up right there.
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by DavidNC February 9, 2008 3:20 PM PST
I''m increasingly insulted by HRC''s campaign. She''s making herself look desperate, which I guess she is.

But does she really think that we can''t figure out that the significant difference between her health care plan and Obama''s is that she will FINE people who can''t afford to buy it? That''s a ridiculous policy, and a unconscionable position to take. Does she really think we''re that dumb?

And now that Barack is the establishment candidate? While at the same time saying that what distinguishes her is more ''experience,'' i.e. time spent in Washington...? Staggering.

She spent six years on the national board of directors of Wal-Mart, while he was organizing poor neighborhoods in Chicago for $12,000 a year, but he''s establishment?

I''m not buying.
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by DavidNC February 9, 2008 3:21 PM PST
I''m increasingly insulted by HRC''s campaign. She''s making herself look desperate, which I guess she is.

But does she really think that we can''t figure out that the significant difference between her health care plan and Obama''s is that she will FINE people who can''t afford to buy it? That''s a ridiculous policy, and a unconscionable position to take. Does she really think we''re that dumb?

(more on health care here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/why-not-single-payer-par_b_84862.html)

And now that Barack is the establishment candidate? While at the same time saying that what distinguishes her is more ''experience,'' i.e. time spent in Washington...? Staggering.

She spent six years on the national board of directors of Wal-Mart, while he was organizing poor neighborhoods in Chicago for $12,000 a year, but he''s establishment?

I''m not buying.
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by DavidNC February 9, 2008 3:23 PM PST
I''m increasingly insulted by HRC''s campaign. She''s making herself look desperate, which I guess she is.

But does she really think that we can''t figure out that the significant difference between her health care plan and Obama''s is that she will FINE people who can''t afford to buy it? That''s a ridiculous policy, and a unconscionable position to take. Does she really think we''re that dumb?

(more on health care here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/miles-mogulescu/why-not-single-payer-par_b_84862.html)

And now that Barack is the establishment candidate? While at the same time saying that what distinguishes her is more ''experience,'' i.e. time spent in Washington...? Staggering.

She spent six years on the national board of directors of Wal-Mart, while he was organizing poor neighborhoods in Chicago for $12,000 a year, but he''s establishment?

I''m not buying.
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by melsimpson February 9, 2008 3:23 PM PST
The Clintons have got to do better than this - they are the democratic establishment - they wanted to frontloaded primary season - since it would favor a better known name. They cant pretend to be the underdog insurgents now - it is disingenuous - and seems like desperate grasp at a straw - to keep them alive in the campaign. Barack Obama has tapped into exactly waht so many democrats (and others) are sick of in politics - he has rejected the say anything to get elected mentality - hooray!
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by cusecane February 9, 2008 3:23 PM PST
Obama supporters are counting on racism in America being DEAD ! Its Not even close!(look at any major metropolitan Public School system)The Hispanic and Asian voters do not support him at all. Oh! and that SLIM majority of white males over 40 that he''s so excited about carrying in the Democratic primaries; They''ll be crossing over to vote for the "Old White guy" in the privacy of the voting booth.
I know I sound like a TOTAL racist, I''m NOT (I would absolutely vote for Obama,if he is nominated)I am however a realist. I firmly beleive Hillary has a decent chance of beating the "Old White Guy" I beleive she will draw plenty of Republican women voters to her side in November. Hopefully enough to offset the amount of Democratic men that can''t bring themselves to vote for a woman/minority President.
This election is way too important to throw up a unelectable candidate like Obama. I personally would be shocked if he pulled 40% against Mc Cain in November.
If my arguments don''t sway you how about this: Rush Limbaugh is telling his listeners how much harder it would be for the Republican nominee to defeat Obama rater than Hillary. Enough Said??
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by melsimpson February 9, 2008 3:28 PM PST
The Clintons have got to do better than this - they are the democratic establishment - they wanted to frontloaded primary season - since it would favor a better known name. They cant pretend to be the underdog insurgents now - it is disingenuous - and seems like desperate grasp at a straw - to keep them alive in the campaign. Barack Obama has tapped into exactly what so many democrats (and others) are sick of in politics - he has rejected the say anything to get elected mentality - hooray!
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by cusecane February 9, 2008 3:49 PM PST
Politics "IS A GAME" the Billary camp knows how to play it. They can get things done and bring our great country back from the abyss.
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by melsimpson February 9, 2008 3:53 PM PST
The Clintons have got to do better than this - they are the democratic establishment - they wanted to frontloaded primary season - since it would favor a better known name. They cant pretend to be the underdog insurgents now - it is disingenuous - and seems like desperate grasp at a straw - to keep them alive in the campaign. Barack Obama has tapped into exactly what so many democrats (and others) are sick of in politics - he has rejected the say anything to get elected mentality - hooray!
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by murnatam February 9, 2008 4:01 PM PST
Enough of all these Hillary tactics. She is the establishment candidate, and we know it. Another thing we know is her vote for the Iraq war will definitely cost her the nomination.
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by teopa-2009 February 9, 2008 4:03 PM PST
Question, she said: %u201CI have been vetted, tested and proven as a winning candidate against tough opposition. I think that%u2019s a great advantage that I take into the general election.%u201D How did she get that if she is not the ''establishment'' candidate? And btw, where did those 35 years go?
Oligarchy aint democracy. Billary put the crown down......
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by melsimpson February 9, 2008 4:10 PM PST
The Clintons have got to do better than this - they are the democratic establishment - they wanted to frontloaded primary season - since it would favor a better known name. They cant pretend to be the underdog insurgents now - it is disingenuous - and seems like desperate grasp at a straw - to keep them alive in the campaign. Barack Obama has tapped into exactly what so many democrats (and others) are sick of in politics - he has rejected the say anything to get elected mentality - hooray!
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by x32792 February 9, 2008 5:18 PM PST
Hillary and Billary are the Establishment.

They represent the best *** non-representative, Special Interests fluffing government money can buy.
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by x32792 February 9, 2008 5:19 PM PST
Hillary and Billary are the Establishment.

They represent the best *** non-representative, Special Interests fluffing government money can buy.
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by melsimpson February 9, 2008 5:41 PM PST
The Clintons have got to do better than this - they are the democratic establishment - they wanted to frontloaded primary season - since it would favor a better known name. They cant pretend to be the underdog insurgents now - it is disingenuous - and seems like desperate grasp at a straw - to keep them alive in the campaign. Barack Obama has tapped into exactly what so many democrats (and others) are sick of in politics - he has rejected the say anything to get elected mentality - hooray!
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by voteonpaper February 9, 2008 5:45 PM PST
Worth a watch:
Part 1
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/editorial/outlook/5516076.html

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMfUajhL24I&feature=related
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by melsimpson February 9, 2008 5:46 PM PST
The Clintons have got to do better than this - they are the democratic establishment - they wanted to frontloaded primary season - since it would favor a better known name. They cant pretend to be the underdog insurgents now - it is disingenuous - and seems like desperate grasp at a straw - to keep them alive in the campaign. Barack Obama has tapped into exactly what so many democrats (and others) are sick of in politics - he has rejected the say anything to get elected mentality - hooray!
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by dprivette February 9, 2008 5:48 PM PST
FYI...

Obama criticized hillary for her time spent on the corporate board of walmart....check out the profit his wife, michele, made (largely due to WALMART) as a rep. of an illinois food processing co. in particular treehouse foods (google michele obama, walmart). She apparently did not have any problems taking over $50,000!!! Obama....what a hypocrite.

On healthcare....how many poor people will choose to have healthcare???? I suppose not too many, and who will pay for that WHEN, not if, but when they get sick and go to the emergency room?? It doesn''t take a rocket scientist to figure it out!! If Obama thinks he will be able to collect back premiums from services already rendered he doesn''t have a grasp on the reality of that happening!!! Not happening now and won''t happen then. At least with Hillary''s plan all will be covered...thank you.

Obama''s all about CHANGE....how is that healthcare plan seriously any different than the current healthcare plan...oh and that''s working sooooo well!!
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by melsimpson February 9, 2008 5:54 PM PST
The Clintons have got to do better than this - they are the democratic establishment - they wanted to frontloaded primary season - since it would favor a better known name. They cant pretend to be the underdog insurgents now - it is disingenuous - and seems like desperate grasp at a straw - to keep them alive in the campaign. Barack Obama has tapped into exactly what so many democrats (and others) are sick of in politics - he has rejected the say anything to get elected mentality - hooray!
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by melsimpson February 9, 2008 6:05 PM PST
The Clintons have got to do better than this - they are the democratic establishment - they wanted to frontloaded primary season - since it would favor a better known name. They cant pretend to be the underdog insurgents now - it is disingenuous - and seems like desperate grasp at a straw - to keep them alive in the campaign. Barack Obama has tapped into exactly what so many democrats (and others) are sick of in politics - he has rejected the say anything to get elected mentality - hooray!
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by nm_dem February 9, 2008 6:11 PM PST
Ha ha ha! This is fantastic. I have got to give it to Hill and Bill, they are freakin'' clever. They have an election machine that is unparalleled. Here''s something that''s true: Hillary is tough-- so tough she eats nails for breakfast and craps bullets by lunch. The Republicans would be in for a fight-- yeah I suppose so, but there would be no such need for a fight, were Obama to be the nominee. There just aren''t as many vulnerable spots. I don''t think she''s the devil. I believe she has been committed to her causes and I believe she is a smart, tough cookie.

However, here is something that''s undeniable, whether you want to believe or deny that she is responsible for the controversies, the "vast right wing conspiracy," or the tongue wagging about the Clintons, the fact remains she is simply a greater target come November.
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by nm_dem February 9, 2008 6:12 PM PST
Ha ha ha! This is fantastic. I have got to give it to Hill and Bill, they are freakin'' clever. They have an election machine that is unparalleled. Here''s something that''s true: Hillary is tough-- so tough she eats nails for breakfast and craps bullets by lunch. The Republicans would be in for a fight-- yeah I suppose so, but there would be no such need for a fight, were Obama to be the nominee. There just aren''t as many vulnerable spots. I don''t think she''s the devil. I believe she has been committed to her causes and I believe she is a smart, tough cookie.

However, here is something that''s undeniable, whether you want to believe or deny that she is responsible for the controversies, the "vast right wing conspiracy," or the tongue wagging about the Clintons, the fact remains she is simply a greater target come November.
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by frellthat February 9, 2008 6:14 PM PST
Every week the Clintons seem to surprise me by sinking to a new low. It''s clear that they have no respect for the voters whatsoever if they expect us to believe this ***.
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by michigan493 February 9, 2008 8:11 PM PST
We all know she will say anything and do anything to get her greedy hands all over the White House again. yech
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by erinr5 February 9, 2008 11:00 PM PST
that is just retarded
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by kaveh30 February 10, 2008 12:00 AM PST
I smell fear of loss from Hillary''s words. It''s not nice to manufacture lies about your rival; that''s dirty politics. If she really cares for America, why doesn''t she step aside and support Obama? Once again she is showcasing her lack of judgement.
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by kaveh30 February 10, 2008 12:05 AM PST
If Hillary really cared for America, she would step aside and support the popular leader, Barack Obama. Her lies are dirty politics and tell of an iminent loss loss. It is okay to compete so that real differences show up, but it is so mean of her to manufacture lies about Obama. So disgusting.
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by wooha3 February 10, 2008 12:25 AM PST
Advantage that she takes into the general election? Honey you''re not going into the general election. Barack has given up on universal health care? Hillary, your nose is getting longer. Barack is like George Bush? Longer.... Barack the establishment candidate? That''s just plain stupid.
As for dprivette''s remarks, Treehouse is not WalMart, and Michelle was on the board of Treehouse the first year it was established, and resigned within the first year.
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by katharine9 February 10, 2008 3:42 AM PST
Superdelegates are designed to show independent judgement? Are you kidding? Superdelegates are up to their ears in politics. The Clinton machine has done and is doing everything they can to entangle them in their web. Half of them owe the Clintons for favours, and a good many more are hoping for favours. That''s why the first ones to support Obama have been those who are either too strong to worry about the Clintons (Tom Dashle, Ted Kennedy) too burned already to care (John Kerry) or too young and new to have been bought. Obama is winning in number of states and number of pledged delegates. The DNC needs to know that if they choose Clinton over Obama they will lose a huge base of new support from youth, independents, and disenfranchised republicans, (and a good deal of old support from traditional dems) and mire the party in old style politics for another decade. With Obama they get a rejuvinated party with a broad new base. Some proof: my husband''s mother and sister, both die hard republicans we could not even mention politics to for years, have just told us they are both for Obama. And you think he can''t unite??? This is the moment for a new politics in America, and we need it NOW.
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by jaykay221 February 10, 2008 5:37 AM PST
Oh Hillary - you are so funny - come on, stop kidding with us.

BTW, how much did you have to pay Perez Hilton to report positively and exclusively on you?
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by jaykay221 February 10, 2008 5:41 AM PST
Um Samuel, if your message is genuine and not really a Clinton supporter trying to stir up racial divides, then may I suggest that your attitude is not particularly helpful to Obama.
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by bacaangel February 10, 2008 9:10 AM PST
Hillary Clinton, master of spin, who could not wait until Super Tuesday because she thought erroneously I might add, that she would sweep Obama out of the contest -- that is why she did not think that far ahead and have enough money to run after Super Tuesday, she did not think that far ahead that Obama, just might, pull it out. Now she wants him to be the Establishment when that simply is not true. She will say and do anything to win which is old-time party politics. People hunger for truth, for authenticy, to be inspired and they want someone who can heal this nation and bring us back together again.
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by xmassan February 10, 2008 9:58 AM PST
I''m not sure if team Billary actually expect us to believe half the things they say or, if they''re self deluded like some contestant on American Idol. Yesterday, Bill said he never attacked Obama. Huh?
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by jbh31 February 10, 2008 8:39 PM PST
Seems strange that Senator Clinton, who suggested abolishing the electoral college in favor of the popular vote eight years ago, now suggests we forgo the popular vote for the voice of the superdelegates... a group apparently created to save the voters from themselves.
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by nanuestalker February 11, 2008 1:28 AM PST
Obama is a "teflon media darling" taken out of a box to destroy Hillary''s campaign. The good thing is that Hillary can handle it and has proven beyond any doubt that she is the best candidate. "Hope" is a beautiful word, often used to inspire , but it begs the question "where''s the meat Obama?" The is the US Presedency, not a prime time TV show. Hard decisions will have to be made. Obama has already proven his inability to think on his feet, he''s just not ready and the Democrats should be thinking about Obama +8 not 08.
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by scorpiotwo-2009 February 11, 2008 5:09 PM PST
I am shocked by the ignorance displayed on this page. Please do not make fun of candidates names. You sound like a fool and look as previously stated. Hillary is up to the tipical spin. She is down, so now she is attacking. YOU CAN NOT STOP A MOVEMENT!!! Yes we can--Barack Obama all of the way!! The intelligent know!!!
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by scorpiotwo-2009 February 11, 2008 5:09 PM PST
I am shocked by the ignorance displayed on this page. Please do not make fun of candidates names. You sound like a fool and look as previously stated. Hillary is up to the tipical spin. She is down, so now she is attacking. YOU CAN NOT STOP A MOVEMENT!!! Yes we can--Barack Obama all of the way!! The intelligent know!!!
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