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December 9, 2007 3:42 PM

Paul Supporters Protest Giuliani

(CBS)
From CBS News' Joy Lin

MIAMI -- “Fascist! Fascist!” shouted a handful of Ron Paul supporters at Rudy Giuliani as he left a hotel and got into his car.

Giuliani donned his signature grin while someone screamed at him and his staff, calling them “traitors to the constitution, all of you!” Another guy yelled, “Pathetic!”

“Sell-outs! Got to war, you hypocrites! Cowards! Where’s your support? You don’t have anybody!” one protestor continued.

That man was Frank Gonzalez, who noticed Giuliani’s “suits” at the hotel entrance earlier while he and others picketed along the South Dixie Highway in Miami. Gonzalez, a self-proclaimed "Ron Paul Democrat" has unsuccessfully run for Congress three times.

What’s the difference between a Ron Paul Democrat and a Ron Paul Republican? If there’s no difference, is Ron Paul a Republican?

“Good question. What addresses that more than anything is the underlying philosophy,” explained Gonzalez. “Ron Paul is, what they were calling until now, a Goldwater conservative, or a Ronald Reagan conservative, but the real definition of what Ron Paul is all about is libertarianism... By that definition, anyone can run, really, in either party – Ron Paul can run as a Republican, I ran as a Democrat, but our issues are identical, with very, very, very few exceptions.” He listed abortion as one area of difference, although that could be resolved because Ron Paul believes the federal government “has no business” deciding whether abortion is legal or illegal.

By 3 p.m. – four hours before the debate was scheduled to begin – about 25 Ron Paul supporters were baking under the sun, holding up signs across the street from where the Univision debate would be held. Every minute or so, a car would honk as it passed by.

John Bulten and his wife Penny brought their two children – ages 2 and 7 – to the gathering, which had been organized via a MeetUp group.

Their daughter, Hannah, was wearing a Ron Paul t-shirt she had made as, her father said, “a home school project.” Among the many Ron Paul tenets she had painted on the t-shirt were pictures of flowers, grass, and sunshine.

Bulten asked his daughter why Americans should vote for Ron Paul.

“Lower taxes, less government, more protection for our borders, and um…get our troops home” she said.
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by edw987 December 9, 2007 5:09 PM PST
Ron Paul had more support among African Americans than any other Republican. Hispanics, too, like him. I think all people sense this could be a president like the Constitution intended - bringing America back to being of, by, and for the people. And meeting our social obligations at home rather than spending our taxes on spreading goodness around the world at the barrel of a gun.
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by josephzp December 9, 2007 5:50 PM PST
The 2008 election isn''t about Democrat versus Republican.

It is really a contest between sheep and wild geese.

Both sheep and wild geese like to dine on green grass.

Sheep need a shepherd to guide them to green pastures. The shepherd controls his sheep so that he can either fleece them or make mutton stew. The sheep
are chased around by the shepherd''s yapping border collies.

Wild geese can find the next green pasture on their own. The wild geese poop on the shepherd''s head as they take flight to fly in a V for victory formation with the Ron Paul blimp.

The cackling of the wild geese is rising in a deafening crescendo as they prepare to darken the skies and blot out the sun on the coming election days to vote for Ron Paul. They will manage this phenomenal feat without air traffic controllers (the FAA could learn a thing or two from these wild geese.)

They have a tried and true flight plan, the U.S. Constitution.
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by 0zzy December 9, 2007 5:59 PM PST
Hrm, I often dislike those supporters who yell out such things. They are a minority who end up in the press and end up making Ron Paul look bad.

I am a Ron Paul supporter, and those who are interested in him or don''t even know who he is, don''t judge him by his supporters. Judge him by his issues and why he chooses to take a stand. He has a very good explanation for all the issues I was concerned about.
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by avejoe1 December 9, 2007 6:44 PM PST
Giuliani is pathetic. He''s nothing but a coward. He had his chance to go off to war and fight for his country and did he? No! He took 3 deferments. He laughs at Ron Paul during the debates and now he''s getting some of it back in his face. Can he take it? NO! I wish like hell the MSM would point this out. On top of being a coward. He''s a cross dresser, gun grabber, and 3 time loser.
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by steventsmith December 9, 2007 6:53 PM PST
I was there. In fact, I''m still at this rally, using WiFi at the brewery down the street. Frank gets a little worked up but he can get a Ron Paul chant going in Spanish like nobody else. Of course this confrontational angle is the thing they have to focus on. Ron Paul supporters need to ask themselves, how would Ron behave? Yelling, "Fascist!" no matter how true it is or how much we want to, does no service to the campaign. We need to represent well.
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by marcsemery December 9, 2007 7:28 PM PST
Frank Gonzalez is a a very good, principled man. He ran as a Ron Paul Democrat in the Nov. 2006 election to Congress in the 21st District of Florida against a very bad Lincoln Diaz-Belart. This is a Democratic congressional candidate who''s endorsing Ron Paul, you can bet he will have difficulty getting the Democratic nomination next time. Giuliani is the most authoritarian of all the 17 candidates for President, Paul is the least authoritarian. Frank Gonzalez is sincere and accuate, if over exuberant, on the matter of the "f" word!
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by mianwright December 9, 2007 8:17 PM PST
"What%u2019s the difference between a Ron Paul Democrat and a Ron Paul Republican? If there%u2019s no difference, is Ron Paul a Republican?"

The above is an example of CBS trying to weaken the Ron Paul phenomenon.

When the mainstream media continually implies that Ron Paul might not be a real Republican it causes people to doubt Paul%u2019s authenticity.

It is up to Republicans and Paul to decide what a Republican is NOT the press.

Obviously Joy can not make sense of the Ron Paul juggernaut in her limited world view.

The more correct question is,"What%u2019s the difference between a Ron Paul Democrat and a Ron Paul Republican? If there%u2019s no difference, is the two party system failing Americans by providing only homogenized candidates and no real choice?"
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by davrobi December 9, 2007 8:28 PM PST
The only thing that unites this country and its many states is the Constitution. The only candidate for president that gets it, is Ron Paul

California is different in culture to Iowa as to New Hampshire and Louisiana. The federal government can not be everything to everyone and this is truly the message of %u201CLive and Let Live%u201D that Ron Paul and his merry army is bringing to us all. Live as you wish in your state and culture, do not wish to change the cultures of other states and countries.

It is a libertarian leaning message for sure and as Ronald Reagan has written in his memoirs: %u201C libertarianism is the soul of conservatism.%u201D
www.lifebelowi10.blogspot.com
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by Eskiegirl302 December 9, 2007 8:58 PM PST
Well they say that every generation needs a rEVOLution. The Ron Paul revolution happens to be ours. When the media wont'' help you because they are afraid and don''t want to seem biased or whatever their excuse happens to be, whadda you gonna do?

Your going to become the media. That is exactly what the ron paul supporters have to do too. Media won''t help. They can''t help. Their hands are also tied by government strings. It''s called the FCC. who owns it? Merck. So they have to bow down and lick the shoes of the government official who tell them what to do. Ron Paul people understand this. We understand a lot of things the average person doesn''t understand about our constitution, the bad government we have and that we as americans know that and want to get rid of it, like the constitution tells us to do.

We understand Government is scared and well they should be.

What we don''t understand is knowing that most americans agree with us and if they would do a bit of research they would find that Ron Paul is someone who says exactly what they say and what they have been saying for a very long time.

People are sick to death of government officials trying to tell us, "WE THE PEOPLE" what to do. We don''t work for them, THEY work for us. The constitution binds their hands with chains so they cannot hurt the american people. When they step outside of their boundaries the people recognize that fact.
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by Eskiegirl302 December 9, 2007 9:01 PM PST
FINISHING MY COMMENT

And when people try to tell government and government does not listen to the people, you have a bad government and you must do away with it. Americans bow to NO One ! You got that congress and senate? did you hear that? of course you didn''t. You never do.

But RON PAUL hears. He is saying the exact same things we are. Make government smaller so you can manage it better he says. Get rid of the income and the irs and get sound money he says. Get back to principles and good values and live and run your own lives instead of the government running it. Patriots always question authority. It is our duty to do so. So to all my countrymen, let this government fall because it is killing us. Lost your home? Going hungry? too many illegal immigrants? Katrina survivors I am really glad that you survived. And you did that without government huh? They were not there when you needed them and they have not been doing their job for a very very long time. Well we are here to fix that.

Ron Paul is the candidate the american people choose. We choose him because he stands for the people. Because he is one. His voting record is spotless, republicans can''t stand him because he scares them, but the people love him. Research him! know him! Support him! http://www.ronpaul2008.com
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by tylenol6 December 9, 2007 9:20 PM PST
RON PAUL is authentic. Freedom is very popular with the american people.
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by jwdelk December 9, 2007 9:36 PM PST
I beg your pardon davrobi and I mean no offense. The Constitution is not "The only thing that unites this country and its many states."
In point of fact it is what seperates the states. And without the states there is no "country." We (the states) are to the federal government what the many nations of the world are to the "United Nations." Hell that isn''t hidden.. just read the name. Why do you think it is refered to mostly as only the "U.N.?"
No the Constitution, if followed, constrains encroachment of the Federal Govt upon the powers that belong to the Soveriegn and independant states.
Liberty is best kept if those that would take it are close to hand.

For anyone who would like to know what this man, Dr. Paul, stands for and what you probably do to, I highly recommend that you watch him speak. You may do so here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWr4U53oPRs&feature=user I urge you to watch all four parts of Dr. Pauls address to a few folks down in N.C. from 12/8

God bless
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by enzotitolo December 9, 2007 10:04 PM PST
''Republican'' and ''Democrat'' is a false dichotomy rallying bases to eke victories and minimize risk to parties and corporate backers.

Parties are money-hungry, since our ''free public'' airwaves cost so much for advertising.

The issue isn''t party, meaningless to most Americans. The issue is whether you are for the constitution.

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the only candidates for the Constitution

Bravo to Paul supporters picketing Ghouliani, calling him on his lack of popular support and democratic bona fides. As a New Yorker, I am aware of his contempt for the 1st Amendment, and how self-aggrandizing, offensive and abrasive he is; how he profited from his mistakes making the 9/11/01 attacks far worse than they had to be, despite warnings from commissions and commissioners since 1994.

Giuliani is a blame-shifter who%u2019d take credit for a sunny day if he could.

He has Arab oil clients paying him millions of dollars, yet he''s pro-Zionist. He refused a sheikh''s 9/11/01 grant for NYC when he linked the attacks to US policy, but Giuliani''s fine with taking Pat Robertson''s support, even though he linked the attacks to NYC''s moral degradation.

Giuliani repeatedly blamed cop-killed victims. He cut non-profits%u2019 private & public funding for daring to do anything that he disliked, especially criticism; he banned protests, even City Council press conferences, from City Hall.

If Giuliani gets elected, he will make Bush2 look good!

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by enzotitolo December 9, 2007 10:06 PM PST
''Republican'' and ''Democrat'' is a false dichotomy rallying bases to eke victories and minimize risk to parties and corporate backers.

Parties are money-hungry, since our ''free public'' airwaves cost so much for advertising.

The issue isn''t party, meaningless to most Americans. The issue is whether you are for the constitution.

Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the only candidates for the Constitution

Bravo to Paul supporters picketing Ghouliani, calling him on his lack of popular support and democratic bona fides. As a New Yorker, I am aware of his contempt for the 1st Amendment, and how self-aggrandizing, offensive and abrasive he is; how he profited from his mistakes making the 9/11/01 attacks far worse than they had to be, despite warnings from commissions and commissioners since 1994.

Giuliani is a blame-shifter who%u2019d take credit for a sunny day if he could.

He has Arab oil clients paying him millions of dollars, yet he''s pro-Zionist. He refused a sheikh''s 9/11/01 grant for NYC when he linked the attacks to US policy, but Giuliani''s fine with taking Pat Robertson''s support, even though he linked the attacks to NYC''s moral degradation.

Giuliani repeatedly blamed cop-killed victims. He cut non-profits%u2019 private & public funding for daring to do anything that he disliked, especially criticism; he banned protests, even City Council press conferences, from City Hall.

Giuliani makes Bush2 look good!
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by enzotitolo December 9, 2007 10:08 PM PST
Republican and Democrat is a false dichotomy rallying bases to eke victories and minimize risk to parties and corporate backers. Parties are money-hungry, since our ''free public'' airwaves cost so much.

The issue isn''t party, meaningless to most Americans. The issue is whether you are for the constitution. Ron Paul and Dennis Kucinich are the only candidates for the Constitution

Bravo to Paul supporters calling Ghouliani on his lack of popular support and democratic bona fides. As a New Yorker, I am aware of his contempt for the 1st Amendment; how self-aggrandizing, offensive and abrasive he is; how he profited from his mistakes making the 9/11/01 attacks far worse than they had to be, despite warnings from commissions and commissioners since 1994.

Giuliani is a blame-shifter who%u2019d take credit for a sunny day if he could.

He has Arab oil clients paying him millions of dollars, yet he''s pro-Zionist. He refused a sheikh''s 9/11/01 grant for NYC when he linked the attacks to US policy, but Giuliani''s fine with taking Pat Robertson''s support, even though he linked the attacks to NYC''s moral degradation.

Giuliani repeatedly blamed cop-killed victims. He cut non-profits%u2019 private & public funding for daring to do anything that he disliked, especially criticism; he banned protests, even City Council press conferences, from City Hall.

Giuliani makes Bush2 look good!
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by enzotitolo December 9, 2007 10:14 PM PST
sorry for the repeat posts. the website said that my comment was too long, so I kept shortening it and didn''t realize it was published.

Did you know Giuliani in late 2001 tried to circumvent the NYC Charter and extend his term due to the 9/11/01 emergency?! He said that only he could handle the city in 2002. Bloomberg and the constitution prevailed, though, and both are doing fine with Rudolph out of the picture.
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by cheryl379 December 9, 2007 10:15 PM PST
It isn''t really a question of Republican or Democrat, it''s a question of principles. We have in RudyMcRomney
barely controlled rage, flip flopping that if followed can result in whiplash, and a big, bigger, biggest government wolf in sheep''s clothing. Never mind the creepy, folksy act of one of the most tax happy governors in recent history. You know, the one who wants to tax the internet.

The choice is between freedom or more covert controls, monopoly money, endless war, loss of privacy and deceit at every level of government. Dancing on the grave of The Constitution isn''t pretty and it isn''t smart.
www.blacksheepnews.com

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by Torqued22 December 9, 2007 10:52 PM PST
I never even wanted to "think" about voting again. It doesn''t do any good, they are all the same. And they still are!

All except one, Ron Paul, he knows what this country SHOULD be about!

Have fun voting for Oprah, or Bill''s wife, or even Rudolph the red nosed reindeer!
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by wgaryjohnson December 9, 2007 10:52 PM PST
Is Ron Paul a Republican? Back in 1976 (when Giuliani was still a Democrat) Ron Paul was one of only six Republican congressmen to endorse the "unelectable" Ronald Reagan. Throughout history, there have been many "Ron Paul Republicans" including Rep. Charles A Lindbergh Sr., Rep. Howard Buffet, Sen. William E. Borah and Sen. Robert A. Taft.
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by Torqued22 December 9, 2007 11:01 PM PST
I never even wanted to "think" about voting again. It doesn''t do any good, they are all the same. And they still are!

All except one, Ron Paul, he knows what this country SHOULD be about!

Have fun voting for Oprah, or Bill''s wife, or even Rudolph the red nosed reindeer!
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by wgaryjohnson December 9, 2007 11:06 PM PST
Is Ron Paul a Republican? Back in 1976 (when Giuliani was still a Democrat) Ron Paul was one of only six Republican congressmen to endorse the "unelectable" Ronald Reagan. Throughout history, there have been many "Ron Paul Republicans" including Rep. Charles A Lindbergh Sr., Rep. Howard Buffet, Sen. William E. Borah and Sen. Robert A. Taft.
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by akston-2009 December 10, 2007 2:31 AM PST
"We look upon authority too often and focus over and over again, for 30 or 40 or 50 years, as if there is something wrong with authority. We see only the oppressive side of authority. Maybe it comes out of our history and our background. What we don"t see is that freedom is not a concept in which people can do anything they want, be anything they can be. Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every single human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do."

- Rudolph Guiliani (source: http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9A01E2D9173CF933A15750C0A962958260)
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by wgaryjohnson December 10, 2007 6:38 AM PST
Is Ron Paul a Republican? Back in 1976 (when Giuliani was still a Democrat) Ron Paul was one of only six Republican congressmen to endorse the "unelectable" Ronald Reagan. Throughout history, there have been many "Ron Paul Republicans" including Rep. Charles A Lindbergh Sr., Rep. Howard Buffet, Sen. William E. Borah and Sen. Robert A. Taft.
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by gingerparti December 10, 2007 9:27 AM PST
"By 3 p.m. %u2013 four hours before the debate was scheduled to begin %u2013 "

So, Ron Paul supporters went to see a debate, not stalk 9udy 11uliani. You would scream "fascist" at 9udy, too, if you knew him as well as the NY fire dept or his own children. He is just not a likable guy, maybe because he''s a FASCIST.
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by fiftytogo-2009 December 10, 2007 1:55 PM PST
I think it''s a shame that the most news worth tidbit of information that Joy Lin could find to write about was the information that she choose. I do think that the American and I repeat the American people both young and old are quite bothered by America''s current polital system. We the people are wanting a change, we are tired of being sold and sold out to the world''s money changers. I understand these American''s that want Dr.Ron Paul to become the next Preident. What I don''t understand is any one that does''nt want Dr. Ron Paul to be the next Preident. Maybe Ms. Lin should report about how many nice Ron Paul people she saw that are trying to instill into their children a ray of hope into the world of chaos that they now live in called America.
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by fiftytogo-2009 December 10, 2007 2:15 PM PST
I agree that it is hard to control your temper when confronted with a great big problem like fearing that the American Dream of Freedom could be all lost all by having the wrong person win the presidentil election. Oops! but the past speaks for it self, and they say that the truth cuts like a knife. I think it''s time for a change wake up America! Vote for Ron Paul!
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by benmcclen December 10, 2007 4:17 PM PST
I notice CBS is not including Paul in the sidebar''s "browse topics" section. what''s up with that?

"BROWSE TOPICS
%u2022 John Edwards
%u2022 Fred Thompson
%u2022 Mike Huckabee
%u2022 Rudy Giuliani
%u2022 John McCain
%u2022 Mitt Romney
%u2022 Campaign ''08
%u2022 Barack Obama
%u2022 Hillary Clinton"
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by ronpaul09 December 11, 2007 5:47 AM PST
WHATS UP WITH PRIMARY QUESTION WITH KATIE COURIC NOT GIVING PAUL ANY AIR TIME YET? I KNOW SHE INTERVIEWED HIM.IF U NOTICE EVEN IN ALL THE WIDE SHOTS OF THE CANDIDATES HES CUT OFF NOT EVEN A PICTURE OF HIS FACE IN THE OPENING CREDITS.ALL OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES EXCEPT DR.PAUL.IS IT COLD IN HERE OR AM I JUST BEING PARANOID OR?..........
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by ronpaul09 December 11, 2007 5:49 AM PST
WHATS UP WITH PRIMARY QUESTION WITH KATIE COURIC NOT GIVING PAUL ANY AIR TIME YET? I KNOW SHE INTERVIEWED HIM.IF U NOTICE EVEN IN ALL THE WIDE SHOTS OF THE CANDIDATES HES CUT OFF NOT EVEN A PICTURE OF HIS FACE IN THE OPENING CREDITS.ALL OF THE OTHER CANDIDATES EXCEPT DR.PAUL.IS IT COLD IN HERE OR AM I JUST BEING PARANOID OR?..........
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by trinitron01 December 11, 2007 11:44 PM PST
My family and I are voting for Ron Paul. He is the most intelligent and down to earth of all the canidiates. He speaks to all from a place that others only fake. Dr. Paul is the real deal. Visit his website at ronpaul2008.com and see for yourself. He is an amazing man!!
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by gesshooo December 12, 2007 9:39 AM PST
Weather Ron Paul is a Republican, Democrat, or a rose by any other name, makes little difference. The ideas of freedom and liberty don''t need any other labels. These ideals will work regardless of your political party.
Addressing the underlying philosophy, as Frank stated, is the real question. The idea of small, non-intrusive government, freedom and liberty shouldn''t be pigeon holed into categories as REP. or DEM!
I''ve been a Ron Paul supporter for many years, and personally know Frank Gonzalez. One thing that we''ve always agreed upon is that our freedoms have been violated, and we want them back.
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by nomorewars December 12, 2007 3:57 PM PST
Ron Paul can win this one, giuliani is nothing more than a globalist and a facist ***.
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