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November 29, 2007 8:30 AM

Romney Battles, Huckabee Shines In GOP Debate

(AP)
The questions in last night's Republican presidential debate may have come from ordinary Americans but most of the answers the candidates gave were aimed directly at their primary opponents. In the most contentious GOP debate thus far, Mitt Romney squared off in direct and contentious exchanges with the two candidates challenging his front-runner status in the first two states of the primary season.

In the opening minutes, Romney and Rudy Giuliani sparred over illegal immigration, with the former New York City mayor defending his city’s policies and refuting the characterization that he ran a sanctuary city. In turn, Giuliani accused Romney of having a weaker record on illegal immigration as governor of Massachusetts and several times referred to an incident where illegal immigrants were hired to work on Romney’s property.

Romney appeared to get the upper hand in the exchange, challenging Giuliani on his charge and the sometimes vocal audience sounded a note of apparent disapproval at the mayor’s line of attack. Tensions have risen between the two candidates over the past week, especially on crime, an issue that caused sparks between the two tonight as well. Romney has led most polls in New Hampshire in recent months but Giuliani has begun focusing on the state and sharpening his criticism of Romney.

At the same time, Romney has seen his lead in Iowa shrink as Mike Huckabee has begun to surge in recent weeks. The two also tangled early on, again on the subject of immigration. When Huckabee was asked about supporting measures to give scholarship opportunities to children of illegal immigrants as governor of Arkansas, Romney leapt. Saying Huckabee reminded him of liberals in Massachusetts, Romney asserted that he was supporting opportunities for illegal immigrants over others and said, “it’s not your money.”

But Huckabee, who has distinguished himself in the debates all year, turned in the strongest performance of the evening at a time when he’s beginning to become a force in the race. Time and time again, Huckabee stood out, giving thoughtful and eloquent answers to questions about immigration, taxes, the death penalty and the bible, which for an ordained Baptist minister is a familiar subject. He also once again delivered the best punch lines. When asked what Jesus would do in regards to the death penalty, Huckabee said, “Jesus was too smart to ever run for public office.” Romney was equally polished but seemed to have a checklist of key answers designed to hit key Republican constituencies.

Giuliani was uneven at times. His campaign spent the hours before the debate fielding questions about a report charging that as mayor, he had spent tens of thousands of dollars in security costs for personal reasons. Asked about that story by the debate’s moderator, Giuliani said, “First of all it's not true. I had 24 hour security for the 8 years I was mayor. They followed me everyplace I went. It was because there were threats, threats I don't generally talk about. … They took care of me and they put in their records and they handled them the way they handled them. I had nothing to do with the way they handled their records. And they were handled, as far as I know, perfectly appropriately.”

Fred Thompson tried to insert himself into the fight several times, taking on Romney on immigration and making a jab at Giuliani over his close past relationship with Bernard Kerik, who is now under federal indictment. Thompson was the one candidate on stage that dared to touch that third rail of American politics – Social Security – and seemed much more relaxed than he has in past debates.

But Thompson’s campaign made a potentially harmful decision. In the spirit of the YouTube debate, each campaign was asked to submit a video of their own. Thompson’s was the type you’d usually see run in the last days of a bitter race, not at a debate in front of a Republican audience. The ad featured past footage of Romney proclaiming himself to be pro-choice on abortion and Huckabee appearing to be asking for tax increases. When confronted about his choice of video, Thompson appeared to be taken aback; pointing out that is was simply using their words and saying, “I just wanted to give my buddies a little extra air time.”

John McCain received hearty applause for his insistence that the U.S. is winning the war in Iraq. He made a point of directly confronting Ron Paul, the only anti-war GOP candidate, more than once, with good results. In one tense exchange, McCain strongly opposed the practice of waterboarding as part of U.S. interrogation and pointedly wondered how Romney could ever support it. But for most of the debate, McCain seemed as much part of the background, overshadowed by Huckabee, Romney and Giuliani.

Paul, the libertarian-bent GOP candidate who has gained a loyal following, was once again the fly in the ointment, speaking out against the war and federal involvement on issues like abortion. Paul endorsed the idea that there is a movement by some to create what amounts to a North American union with Canada and Mexico and declared that “our national sovereignty is under threat.” Most intriguingly, Paul would not rule out a question about whether he may run as an independent in the general election, saying only that he had no intention of doing so before declaring himself proud to be a part of the movement he’s tapped into. If he were to run as an independent, that could harm the GOP’s chances next November.

Generally it’s not easy to declare true winners and losers in these debates, but there’s no doubt that Huckabee made the most headway. As his campaign – smaller, lesser funded and out-organized – struggles to capitalize on the sudden surge he’s seen in the polls, this nationally televised debate allowed him to reintroduce himself to GOP primary voters. And he did not disappoint. Editor's Note: This post was updated from last night


Clinton And Obama Spar On Health Care: From CBS News' Fernando Suarez, on the trail with Hillary Clinton:

In an effort to continue to turn up the heat against her opponents, Clinton made it clear Wednesday that her chief rival in the Democratic presidential contest, Barack Obama, “flunks the test” when it comes to universal health care.

Clinton spoke at the Des Moines Area Community College in Ankeny, Iowa after arriving two hours late due to a blown out tire on her private airplane. The event was scheduled to be a discussion on health care, but it quickly became an open forum for Clinton to take on Obama.

“It is important for Democrats who will caucus on January 3rd to understand this difference: Senator Obama’s plan does not and cannot cover all Americans. He’s called his plan universal, then virtually universal. But it is not either and when it comes to truth in labeling he simply flunks the test,” said Clinton.

The debate over universal health care has intensified in recent weeks, primarily the issue of mandates which requires that all Americans buy into the health care system. In Clinton’s plan, every person would be required to purchase health care, while mandatory health care is not part of Obama’s plan. Clinton points out that her opponent’s plan leaves 15 million people uninsured, which amounts to not having a universal health care program. But the Senator from Illinois has taken issue with mandates because he argues that people who don’t have health insurance don’t have it because they don’t want to, but because they can’t afford it. He has also questioned how Clinton plans to enforce her mandate of universal health care, would she charge a fee to those who don’t have health insurance? Clinton has yet to outline exactly how to enforce the mandate.

But Clinton fought back against Obama’s attacks saying anything short of universal health care amounts to “betraying the Democratic Party’s principles.”

In a statement to the press, the Obama campaign said: "Another day, another desperate attack. Demonizing anyone who doesn't share her exact plans on health care is exactly why Hillary Clinton flunked the opportunity she had to pass universal health care in 1993. The truth is, Barack Obama's universal health care plan makes coverage affordable for every single American, he just doesn’t agree with Hillary's plan to start by forcing everyone to buy insurance they can't afford," said campaign spokesperson Bill Burton.

The contest in the Hawkeye State remains in a heated 3-way statistical tie between Clinton, Obama and Senator John Edwards, But Clinton hopes that her message of being the most experienced candidate in the field will resonate with caucus goers. Clinton stressed that choosing the wrong candidate come January, could lead to shelving universal health care again for another 10 or 14 years.

With just 5 weeks before the Iowa caucus, and health care being the single most important issue to Iowans the debate is far from over.


Front-Runners Slipping In South Carolina? A new poll from Clemson University's Palmetto Poll finds that South Carolina voters are increasingly undecided in the presidential race, at the cost to front-runners Clinton and Giuliani. The former New York City mayor came with just 9 percent of support among Republicans, down from 18 percent in August. The GOP race is tightly bundled. Romney leads the field with 17 percent, followed by Thompson at 15 percent, Huckabee at 13 percent and McCain with 11 percent. Twenty-eight percent of Republicans remain undecided, according to the poll.

On the Democratic side, Clinton and Obama are in a statistical tie, with Clinton at 19 percent and Obama coming in with 17 percent. John Edwards trails with 12 percent. A whopping 49 percent of Democrats say they are undecided in the poll. Numbers like these only make Iowa and New Hampshire more important, as the winners of those contests are likely to head to South Carolina with a head of steam.


Around The Track

  • A new Rasmussen poll shows Huckabee leading Romney in Iowa 28 percent to 25 percent. It's the first poll to show Huckabee with a lead.

  • Giuliani's campaign went straight to Romney's backyard to criticize his tenure as governor of Massachusetts. Former Bay State governor Paul Cellucci and former state Treasurer Joseph Malone yesterday held a press conference blasting Romney's record as governor.

  • Joe Biden predicts one of the lower tier candidates will yet make a splash in the Democratic race. "I think one of us is going to end up supplanting one of the so-called top-tier candidates, I think, if you take a look, you give us each sort of our day, our time in the barrel to see if we rise up.”

  • Has anyone really digested the impact of holding the Iowa caucuses just three days into the New Year? Chris Dodd wonders, telling the AP, "The earlier caucus date, particularly the proximity to that and the holiday season is going to add a dimension to this that we haven't really thought about in the past. I don't know what the impact of that will be."
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    by texas_dem November 30, 2007 2:10 PM EST
    More corrections: Obama''s father was an atheist and it was his Step-father who was Muslim; Barack lived in Indonesia with his mother and step-father for four years and while he was living there his SF only attended worship at the mosque occationally and without Barack''s mother. His birth father lived in Kenya. If you truly have doubts about Barack''s Christian beliefs, why not do some factual exploration so you will at least be speaking truth? I really don''t know how anyone who has actually read about the day that Barack came to accept Jesus and not believe that he is a Christian.
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    by prinzowhales November 30, 2007 9:37 AM EST
    Huckabee is the latest candidate that the mainstream media is focusing on in an attempt to move support away from Dr. Paul who made "I married the Mob" McCain look ridiculous when that ''Keating Fiver'' sought to discredit Dr. Paul''s anti-war position.

    The best response to CNN''s biased reporting and phoney debate is to turn them--and the entire mainstream media off...cancel any service provider--cable or sat-- that carried CNNABCCBSNBCFOX and don''t buy the mainstream papers and magazines...Go to infowars.com...antiwar.com...rense.com...for real news and commentary...because in the greater scheme of things...it really doesn''t matter how fat Brittainy is
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    by mestsal November 29, 2007 9:17 PM EST
    Correction: He''s an anchor baby. His mother is American and father Muslim.
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    by mestsal November 29, 2007 9:13 PM EST
    I''m a democrat and thought Huckabee best understands all of the American people not just Corporate America. Mitt Romney i thought is another blue blood Bush. He agrees everything with Bush except on immigration.

    Mitt Romney will be a continuation to Bush''s ideals and will further handicap America''s capacity to heal the world''s wounds of American agression.

    Borack Hussien Obama is scary, too. He''s soo secretive about his past and never hear about his family other than the immediate.

    Borack Hussien obama according to facts read on wikpedia his father was muslim killed in an automobile accident. He lived in Kenya with his Muslim step-father and mother.

    Imagine President Hussien Obama will be the first muslim president during a war with muslims. That''s why he''s a muslim sympathizer.

    I read an article that Obama lied on his last Democratic convention stating his dad was a goat herder and in reality his family is well off in Kenya or his dad woud''ve been too poor to come to college in America.
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    by bizzzz-2009 November 29, 2007 3:23 PM EST
    Several times, I have asked the question on this message board of why don''t the Democratic candidates debate on Fox, when the Republicans agree to debate on networks like CNN. I usually get a response that the Democrats are too smart to go on FOX, since it is not a "reputable" network like CNN or MSNBC as if Chris Wallace or Brit Humes are known for sabotaging the people they interview.
    CNN reputable? Last nights debate was at least a joke and, at most, a scam perpetrated by CNN.
    First, one of the You tube questionaires that posed a question regarding g@ys in the military turned out to be a Clinton operative, on the Clinton campaign payroll, who as it turns out was actually flown in by CNN (travel paid for) for the event.
    Also, after the debate, CNN had gathered a group of so- called "undecided" Republicans to get their feedback. One of the ladies in the group that was interviewed said that she was going to vote for "Guiliano" (not Guiliani), MISPRONOUNCING his name, then said shes decided to vote for Hillary.
    Another African American said that he thought "Hucka..Hucka.." only to have the name Huckabee finally given to him by the woman from CNN giving the interview.
    THESE ARE REPUBLICAN UNDECIDED??? What a f$cking scam. I''m an undecided Republican, but I know all the republican AND Democratic contenders'' names.
    If this is what you call a reputable network ,I feel sorry for this country. With so much blatant cheating, this country is in real trouble.
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    by texas_dem November 29, 2007 2:42 PM EST
    Huckabee and McCain are at least genuine...is it just me, or was the well-coifed Romney just plain scarey? As a recovering Republican, the only thing that last night''s debate really did for my decision making process, was make me glad that I''m supporting Obama.
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    by victoryside November 29, 2007 12:47 PM EST
    To shj5: Yes, Mike Huckabee does add a lot of substance to his debate answers, and that is why he is now beating your Romney in the new Iowa polls! Read the above article and you will see that CBS sees him as a surging winning candidate. I quote from CBS, "Huckabee, who has distinguished himself in the debates all year, turned in the strongest performance of the evening".
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    by shj5 November 29, 2007 11:45 AM EST
    The problem with Huckabee is his answers have no substance. We as Americans should be able to see past cute answers and eloquent tongues. Of course Huckabee is going to have some good one liners, especially if you give him a slow pitch softball question about Jesus or the Bible. But could this man be the President? Come on!
    Romney on the other hand is actually smart. Take for instance his answer in the debate re agriculture subsidies. Romney understands the intricacies of economics. I''d like to see Huckabee tackle that one. Consider Romney''s answer re the plight of urban african americans. Families. Mother and Fathers. Reconstructing the actual foundations of Education in urban America . Those are the answers. Every other candidate is a one trick pony. Tancredo=immigration. Paul=isolationism.
    McCain=Iraq
    Huckabee=Fair Tax
    Thompson=is he still in this race?
    Hunter=the fence
    Giuliani=9/11

    Romney? He is the only guy up there with experience outside of politics. He is the only guy out there who understands that if you want to be President, you need to be able to tackle ALL of the issues. Not just one. All these other candidates make good senators, good border gaurds, good actors, good mayors, got preachers. But only Romney is Presidential. We need someone really smart, trustworthy, analysis driven, and strong. The way I see it, Romney is the clear choice.
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    by kdecoster November 29, 2007 7:40 AM EST
    Blakmira - I cannot speak for Mike Huckabee on the dog incident that you mention - but as a father my response would be ''because the Father loves his children - even when they do bad things''. It''s love.
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    by blakmira November 29, 2007 5:08 AM EST
    The question I would like to ask Huckabee is Daddy, what did you do to your son? Why did your son feel it was okay to slit a dog''s throat, hang the dog from a tree, then beat the dog to death? This happened 8 years ago when your son was in the Boy Scouts and you hushed up the incident and kept your son out of trouble. Why, Daddy, why?
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    by oruval November 29, 2007 4:30 AM EST
    CNN had a biased approach. The top question that people voted for of the 5000 youtube videos entered didn''t even make it on the show. Let alone the fact that Romney was asked to feild the majority of the questions asked. Upon where Ron Paul was asked maybe four in a two hour period. Main Stream Media needs to wake up and quit lying. Ron Paul has a wide array of supporters. All of his money is grassroots and all his supporters are America''s New Voice. See for yourself.
    http://www.ronpaul2008.com/
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    by tompaine2 November 29, 2007 4:29 AM EST
    A friend called from Europe this weekend while watching Huckabee on CNN. He wondered who this idiot Huckabee was saying silly things about Israel. Huckabee also diplomatically said he was going to "tell the Saudis to keep there oil just like they can keep their sand." Oh boy. See for yourself.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5gFrPAnht6o
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    by tompaine2 November 29, 2007 4:22 AM EST
    Is Ververs high? Ron Paul said he had no plans to run as a 3rd party candidate - as reported at every other news site.
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    by moniquemonic November 29, 2007 4:11 AM EST
    Anderson Cooper almost ruined the debate with that kook he gave the mic to so he could talk on an on about his sexual preferences.

    cnn banned candidate alan keys from participating in the debate tonight; and then hurried every candidate up by interrupting them "you''ve got 10 seconds left;" only to give a mic to some man in the audience for at least 2 minutes.

    anderson cooper should be fired.

    he''s to the curb!
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    by kdecoster November 29, 2007 3:43 AM EST
    On the point about Huckabee''s answers having no substance - I think what we tend to see is that Mike Huckabee gets thrown some ''goofball'' questions - and he handles them adeptly (usually with a keen touch of wisdom) without always trying to change the dialog back to ''key Republican talking points'' that are pushed on him by legions of political consultants. I think if you get to know the candidate beyond what can be offered in 30 second sound bytes - you will find that Huckabee is dead spot on on a number of important conservative issues. I would recommend that anyone that would like to learn more about Mike Huckabee check out the videos on his website.

    That being said - on important issues like immigration - basically what you have going on is that Tancredo has single-handedly brought the issue into the national dialog. All of the Republican candidates have adopted his viewpoint that we must first secure the border. From there - we must work together to wade through ''grey areas'' of how we deal with the current issue at hand.

    If you happen to be a Christian - or read the Bible (the book which most all of these candidates profess seeking truth from) - there is a central figure in the Bible that also had a knack for providing what you term as ''cute answers'' to tough questions. When you dig into these parables you often find that there is a deep wisdom behind many clever responses - that''s been my experience anyway.

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    by laurabee3 November 29, 2007 3:43 AM EST
    This was the best and most objective analysis of this debate that I have seen. Kudos!
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    by laurabee3 November 29, 2007 3:41 AM EST
    This is the best and most objective analysis of this debate I have seen. Kudos to Vaughn Ververs.
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    by bhardecker November 29, 2007 3:29 AM EST
    Mike Huckabee has a positive and "vertical" approach than any of other candidates. Ride on Dark Horse, Ride on!
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    by ivote-2009 November 29, 2007 3:28 AM EST
    First of all, Mike Huckabee is not hiding behind religion. As he states, it defines who he is. He believes in God and makes no apologies for it. Everyone talks about preacher Mike - well hello - he has been Governor of Arkansas until term limits expired this year. Prior to that he was Lt. Govenor. Mike Huckabee is authentic and honest. You do not have to guess with him because he does not flip flop. If you want to know where he really stands on the issues go to his website www.mikehuckabee.com

    For the lies being spread around about his fiscal conservatism and tax hikes - you may want to read an article published today by *** Morris (who by the way has followed Arkansas politics for 30 years).
    http://www.dickmorris.com/blog/?p=203
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    by lanefiller1 November 29, 2007 3:19 AM EST
    Anyone interested in a very different story (and analysis) on illegal immigration should try:
    http://goupstate.us/index.php/lanefiller/2007/11/14/the_illegal_immigrant_next_door

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