Starting Gate: Clinton Calls – And Raises -- In Vegas Debate

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Declaring that she had on her “asbestos” pantsuit, Clinton also demonstrated that she could pack a little heat of her own. She dealt with the first question of the evening, about the recent shots taken at her candidacy by saying, “I'm perfectly comfortable leaving these assessments up to the American people to make their judgments among us.”
But when Barack Obama followed by asserting that she has not been delivering “straight answers to tough questions,” Clinton shot back. Obama “talks a lot about stepping up and taking responsibility and taking strong positions,” she said. “But when it came time to step up and decide whether or not he would support universal health care coverage, he chose not to do that.” In the back-and-forth that followed the candidates argued about their health care plans, a rarity for Clinton, who has up until now sought to stay far above such frays.
Next up was John Edwards, who hit Clinton on a variety of fronts, accusing her of trying to be on all sides of important issues and of defending a “rigged” and “corrupt” system. “I don't mind taking hits on my record on issues,” Clinton retorted, “but when somebody starts throwing mud, at least we can hope that it's both accurate and right out of the Republican playbook.”
In those opening minutes, Clinton seemed to disarm her two toughest Democratic opponents – or at least knock them off balance. While both continued to try and chip away at Clinton for the rest of the debate, neither had as much success as they did in the last debate, where the front-runner stumbled several times. Twice when Edwards appeared to be inching toward criticizing Clinton, he was met with a smattering of boos from the audience.
And Barack Obama turned what should have been an easy question into a tortured discourse on immigration policy. It was Clinton, in the last debate, who appeared to both support and oppose a proposal to provide driver’s licenses to illegal immigrants. Given that the issue has been a major topic of discussion for the past ten days, it would seem likely that the candidates would be prepared. But when asked whether he would support or oppose the idea, Obama said he would support it then launched into a lengthy discussion of comprehensive immigration until CNN’s Wolf Blitzer, the debate’s moderator, said, “this is the kind of question that is sort of available for a yes or no answer.” When Clinton was asked, she simply said, “no.”
While Obama and Edwards struck familiar themes and sought to differentiate themselves from Clinton on issues ranging from Iran to Social Security, they were unable to maintain the offensive they had coming in. Save the early exchanges, and a couple minor scrapes along the way, Clinton kept most of her criticisms aimed at President Bush and once again made the argument that she’s the most experienced candidate. It was solid performance following a period of time that saw her slip a bit from her front-runner’s perch. When asked about allegations that her campaign has played the “gender card” to gain sympathy, Clinton disagreed. “I’m not playing the gender card,” she said, “I’m trying to play the winning card.”
Joe Biden and Chris Dodd turned in solid, impressive performances. Biden, who has grown into the role as the respected elder statesman and part-time comedic relief, showed his chops of foreign affairs matters, particularly on the issue of the unrest in Pakistan. Dodd waxed eloquently and knowledgably on education and trotted out his impressive grasp of the Spanish language. For all the attention on the three big candidates, Biden nearly stole the show, with Dodd not too far behind. Bill Richardson, who is fourth in most polls, pressed his message of total withdrawal in Iraq but again didn’t jump out of the crowd.
But this remains a three-way race by all measures and the red-hot start to this debate showed that starkly. Outside of Clinton, Obama and Edwards, no other candidate spoke for nearly the first 30 minutes of the debate. And, like the last debate, there was something new in play – Clinton’s willingness to directly engage her foes. For the night, at least, she got the upper hand. Editor's Note: This post has been updated
Tending The "Plants: In the debate last night Edwards jokingly asked whether one of moderator Wolf Blitzer's questions was "a plant" -- a reference to the controversy that erupted last week over the revelation that Hillary Clinton's campaign had planted the audiences at her events with questions she would be prepared to answer, sometimes over the objections of the people asking the questions.
It probably won't be the last time Edwards makes the joke. His campaign is behind a new Web site, Plants for Hillary, complete with "endorsements" from people with actual plants for heads. One, named Pogonatherum paniceum says, "I work a lot with seedlings who are concerned about global warming. But Hillary's staffers told me that wasn't in the script. So I wilted and asked one of the questions they had listed in their book."
The botanical puns, for better or worse, don't stop there, and the site also includes a "field guide" to spotting a Hillary plant, the top 10 questions plants should never ask Clinton (like "How can you change Washington when you keep defending a broken system?"). Visitors are also able to submit their own planted questions and the site promises the chance to buy t-shirts claiming "Questions are hard... so plant them."
In a release promoting the site, the Edwards campaign says the site is a "grassroots" effort that will "bear fruit"...you know, just in case you still don't get the joke.
Testing The Message, Skirting The Line: The AP reports that voters in Iowa and New Hampshire have been getting calls raising the issue of Mitt Romney's religion. Residents of the two early states report being asked if they are aware Romney is a Mormon, if they knew that he had received a deferment while serving as a Mormon missionary and that Mormons did not accept blacks until the 1970s.
The calls were traced to a firm in Utah, Western Watts, which denies conducting "push polls" – calls disguised as polling surveys which are designed to disseminate negative messages about a candidate. Western Watts has worked in the past with GOP pollster Ed Goes, who is currently working for Rudy Giuliani but Goes vehemently denies any connection to the Romney calls.
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How could you be asking Hillary questions like what do you prefer to wear? Purple or Yellow?
She answered since I have been ---- I like them both. What kind of of thing is this. This is another planted question. A high school drop out may not know but most of us know -- planted questions. What a mockery to the whole process.
How could you be asking Hillary questions like what do you prefer to wear? Purple or Yellow?
She answered since I have been ---- I like them both. What kind of of thing is this. This is another planted question. A high school drop out may not know but most of us know -- planted questions. What a mockery to the whole process.
Maybe you weren''t watching with the sound turned up.
In any case, Hillary showed that she is definitely the most experienced and capable leader. She has my vote!
The debates tend to cover too many questions in the time allotted. I would prefer to hear a debate covering fewer issues if it means that the candidates will be given more time to explain their positions. That would help the voters get to know the candidates in depth. How much depth can be packed into a one minute response?
With a less frenzied pace to the debate, we could see which candidates have a genuine thoughtfulness and wisdom versus which are simply well coached or good at delivering one-liners. From what I''ve seen so far, candidates such as Sen. Obama and Sen. Kucinich and Gov. Richardson have lots of interesting and good ideas but due to the short time for responses, they get cut off. Thankfully, the internet provides a way for use to learn more in depth about all of the candidates.
www.barackobama.com
www.dennis4president.com
www.richardsonforpresident.com
I didn''t think the prepared "asbestos" line went over very well. I thought the "winning card" reference to the setting, Las Vegas, was cheezy. Wolf Blitzer had trouble with the way he framed the driver''s license question. Obama, Edwards, Dodd, ... they all wanted to smack Wolf B for his wedging.
The diamonds or pearls question will probably backfire badly, as will Hillary''s "can''t stand the heat"-slash-kitchen reference. Ouch. Hillary says it was all the progress in her lifetime that brought her to this stage, but I think Susan B. Anthony would not be happy to hear that.
The most interesting moment was when Obama sat and looked a bit guilty for administering the mortal wound to a stunned and dazed Hillary, who had to field the question of whether she could unite the country, partner with independents and Republicans, and govern effectively. The question was a most cruel mirror. I don''t see the clip posted anywhere on CNN, but if Hillary does not recover from this uppercut, look to this moment as an historical event.
The other priceless moment was when Biden was shaking his head and smirking as Hillary said (herself chuckling) that she had respect for everyone on the stage!
Posted by RonaldLoui
LOL - missed that one . . . classic! LOL
What, like the last debate was couched to make her look bad? Can''t have it both ways. I remember questions in the last debate like ''what are you going to dress up like for Halloween.''
Hillary did a great job. I agree about Biden, who has a tremendous experience promulgating bi-partisan legislation. I find it hard to believe that Edwards and Obama are top contenders above him.
Obama doesn''t do well in debates. He fires up in prepared speeches, but fumbles extenporaneously. Edwards shrillness comes off like junior high school. He can''t ride his own record, so he tears down everybody elses. His record goes with the flow, and his hedgefund contributors leave him wide open when criticizing for lobby dollars.
Go Hillary! Go Joe!
John Edwards is just my guy. He says the things I want to hear and he is believable.
Obama says the things you want to hear but is NOT believable
John Edwards is just my guy. He says the things I want to hear and he is believable.
Obama says the things you want to hear but is NOT believable
You said the world will not respect a woman as the leader of a country....
Do you really believe the world respect us with our current president (may i remind you our leader is a man?)
They are the only ones that have the intelingence and the power to lead this country.
I think if you vote cognizant of the fact that her primary interest going into the White House will be to ensure that she is able to get re-elected 4 years later, but that the trade-off will be worth it because she''s a woman who''ll increase the level of respect men have for women you might end up disappointed in that department too.
Not saying the alternatives are much better, but I think it''s important to be realistic about HOW her ''wins'' in these debates are being achieved.
The clause below "but that the trade-off will be worth it" should read "but THINK taht the trade-off will be worth it" :)
But no Repubs please....We already have one. And what did we all get from THAT?
Could they possibly be told about the Kennedy-Nixon election, when the most telling ad against Nixon was an informal interview with President Eisenhower where he pretty much dismissed his Vice-President as a total lightweight. For those who think Bush I invented the negative political ad, take a look at the collection at Museum of the Moving Image.
Whoever came up with the massive debate schedule has done a disservice to all the candidates.
Posted by amontenegro
You can thank Bush Sr. for that. When and if Hillary arrives, you can kiss that good bye forever.
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by mattcat25
November 17, 2007 9:36 PM PST
- Bush has barrowed, not taxed he%u2019s mortgaged the entire country, and has blown $450 Billion US Dollars on one huge party for his %u201CPrivate Sector Contractors%u201D in Iraq.
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