Couric & Co.
January 15, 2007 8:14 AM

Katie: A Woman At The Table

One week ago, Katie sat down for a briefing at the White House, and noticed something unusual.

(CBS)
Last Wednesday, President Bush gave his address to the country about “the new way forward” for Iraq, and lots of journalists—including me, of course—were in Washington to cover it. But before the Big Speech, there was the little-known Big Meeting.

The White House invited all the network anchors, and some cable anchors, along with the Sunday political show hosts to a meeting with unnamed VERY senior administration officials. (Obviously I know their names, but the agreement was that in order to attend the meeting, we couldn’t reveal the people who spoke to us.)

And even though I’ve been in this business for more years than I’d like to admit, and interviewed countless Presidents and world leaders, it’s still thrilling—and even a little awe-inspiring—to get “briefed” at the White House, no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office.

And yet, the meeting was a little disconcerting as well. As I was looking at my colleagues around the room—Charlie Gibson, George Stephanopoulos, Brian Williams, Tim Russert, Bob Schieffer, Wolf Blitzer, and Brit Hume—I couldn’t help but notice, despite how far we’ve come, that I was still the only woman there. Well, there was some female support staff near the door. But of the people at the table, the “principals” in the meeting, I was the only one wearing a skirt. Everyone was gracious, though the jocular atmosphere was palpable.

The feminist movement that began in the 1970’s helped women make tremendous strides—but there still haven’t been enough great leaps for womankind. Fifty-one percent of America is female, but women make up only about sixteen percent of Congress—which, as the Washington Monthly recently pointed out, is better than it’s ever been...but still not as good as parliaments in Rwanda (forty-nine percent women) or Sweden (forty-seven percent women). Only nine Fortune 500 companies have women as CEO’s.

That meeting was a reality check for me—and not just about Iraq. It was a reminder that all of us still have an obligation to ask: Don’t more women deserve a place at the table too?

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by bethwatson-2009 January 17, 2007 9:42 AM PST
As the mother of two daughters, this makes me very sad. I never thought it would take more than one generation to cause a shift. I suppose we could celebrate the fact that at least you were there. A scant six months ago, there would have been ALL men.
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by jcorbin1958 January 17, 2007 10:55 AM PST
Yes, woman should be included if qualified for the job and are elected. Be thankful that you are one of the few who has made it.
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by tomar0317 January 17, 2007 11:28 AM PST
I'm all in favor of women in top jobs if they are qualified and not placed their to balance the numbers. I have worked with many bosses, men and women. Unfortunately, I have worked for only one woman that should be there, and she is better than most of the men. In fact, she not only is not afraid to stand up for her troops, she is not afraid to add her two cents to her boss. She does this without fear of repercussions and is not a "yes" person like the men I have worked for looking to move up the latter. As a man, I appreciate her efforts and obviously work the best I can for her.
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by lucy1375 January 17, 2007 1:17 PM PST
In addition to the small number of women serving in Congress, lets not forget that America is also in the minorty in terms of it not having ever had a woman president.
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by spaceygracey January 17, 2007 1:45 PM PST
Until more men in power really and truly want us at the table, well... there's always blogging!
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by limadams January 17, 2007 3:11 PM PST
i wondered what happen to the liberation movment?
i think its still in the socialization of women. look at images on the t.v., in magazines especially the ones that target youth. they glamorise body image not the intellect, play not work, getting attention and having attitude not aptitude.
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by uva_girl January 17, 2007 4:09 PM PST
jsklinemn:

Why the demeaning post? Katie is THE smartest television journalist on the air currently. She has the uncanny ability to hone in on the heart of a matter, and she's got the courage to ask relevant questions of leaders that other journalists kowtow to. My only concern with her new position is that this skill may go to waste; that an anchor position is beneath her.

And just where do you come off advising someone of her talent and stature that she should "pay more attention to how [she is] processing the information [she gets] in those ears and eyes and how [she gets] the stories created, and ultimately aired." How arrogant and patronizing!! You gave no examples of how, in your estimation, she has failed to perform these vague and ill-defined metrics. You arbitrarily spouted off unsubstantiated opinion. I bet you're in management and utilize this tactic when it comes time to conduct performance appraisals with your female staff members. One day they'll grow up and say, after a half-hour put-down session: "Hey, wait a minute! He didn't really SAY anything!!!"

And, according to the principle of divine reciprocity, you'll one day be working for a woman who will tag you for the fool that you are.

Good luck, Poster; you'll need it.

Katie: you're fantastic; keep up the excellent work!!
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by amorgan4osu January 17, 2007 4:51 PM PST
Now, now, Katie. Here's the deal. I COMPLETELY agree with you that women should have the exact same rights as men. However, let's stop this apathy of "why aren't there more women"? I can tell you why... It's because many of the women for these types of power positions do not WANT to take them.

ANY woman who does want that type of lifestyle now have every right to get out there and fight for it. The issue now is, which women will step up to the task? It seems to me that there are many fewer women out there who choose to do what it takes to get those positions. It's a personal choice at this point, not a manditory right for women to be represented there.

As for you, congratulations. You've made it a long way. I don't agree with many of your stances, but you've become very accomplished.
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by earllutz January 17, 2007 5:11 PM PST
I dare say if the ratings don't go up.. you might be the LAST woman in that position too!
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by kenthe2-2009 January 17, 2007 5:15 PM PST
LOL, willys361
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by teemilla January 17, 2007 5:18 PM PST
She isn't looking for the equality of opportunity. She's looking for the equality of results. Subscribing to such a metric only increases the chances of discrimination... whether it be against men in journalism or asians at stanford.
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by jmwcctx January 17, 2007 5:31 PM PST
If feminism were really about women anymore, that might happen. Unfortunately, it's not about women--it's about liberal dogma and how the oppression of women can be manipulated to further that dogma.

When feminists worry equally about conservative and liberal women, then maybe we can get back to the business of ensuring equal opportunity. Until then, it's become just more snake oil--like civil rights and other formerly honorable endeavors--the left has hijacked to further a political agenda.
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by afelias January 17, 2007 5:38 PM PST
I can't believe what a bunch of neanderthals have written in to object to Katie's comments. I happened to find her comments to be interesting and thought provoking. Why don't you go back to dragging your knuckles and leave the reporting of news and running of the country to people in skirts - maybe there would be a little more common sense and a little less war.
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by wellpull1 January 17, 2007 5:44 PM PST
No.
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by afelias January 17, 2007 5:47 PM PST
Dear Saggerpance,

I am not a liberal and I do not feel backed into a corner or that I am losing any argument. I do feel, however, horrified that there are so many male chauvinists still allowed to exist.
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by saggerpance January 17, 2007 5:50 PM PST
Dear afelias,
And I am horrified that so many shrills exist that spout words like "neanderthal" and "chauvinists" all day long. So, I cancel you out.
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by afelias January 17, 2007 5:55 PM PST
Dear Saggy-pants,

I'm sorry that my vocabulary was to advanced for you. Also, I guess in your lingo woman = shrill. Interesting and so enlightened...

Laters.

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by January 17, 2007 5:55 PM PST
Katie is right. The top of this country has a pretty closed door policy. It is still the man and he is not letting many other people in. That is how it is at the top. I look around the room and see nobody like me very often. You feel lucky but also wonder when things will change a little more. The answer is no time soon. You have to do what you do well and hope for the best like the rest of us. The American dream is that it will all work out for you in the end. That is why they call it a dream.
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by alexjmc January 17, 2007 6:10 PM PST
Very small and select group at the table according to Katie. Were there not any "new media" representatives aka, talk radio?
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by exnjcop January 17, 2007 6:11 PM PST
Deserving a place at the table based solely on the wearing of a skirt is substantially different than earning a place at the table based on ability. Ratings, like votes, are certainly a better measure of competency than set- asides based on genetics. Perhaps Rawandan women more competent than American women? Or is the Rawandan system designed to promote genetics over other factors? Absent much more information the comparason of simple percentages is meaningless. Much like the totality of the article.
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by terpin2 January 17, 2007 6:17 PM PST
Katie - Do we really want to emulate Rawanda or Sweden? You are hardly making a case for more women in Congress.
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by afelias January 17, 2007 6:23 PM PST
Why doesn't anyone seem to get the point about Rwanda and Sweden? The point is that these other countries (which are not the superpowers of the world) are somehow able to offer more opportunities for women in elected office is embarassing. I guess all those who choose not to get the point don't get the point of having more women in power. I guess I answered my own question. Sad...
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by olikath January 17, 2007 6:23 PM PST
It seems that the majority of you didn't read the "Rules of Engagement" for posting here. Firstly, the majority of you are not commenting on the topic. Making remarks about the ratings of CBS news and Ms. Couric%u2019s ability to convey the news has nothing to do with the article. Secondly, it can be inferred by the context of the article that this is not a "hard-hitting" news topic as many have mentioned, but an editorial on an experience. . Ms. Couric is a journalist and using the editorial medium she is permitted to express opinions. She is not a member of the US Armed Forces. For those of you who discredited her references to countries with high female representative parliaments referring to corruption, you are sadly mistaken if you think that our own government is free of corruption. It is no secret that the US government and many large Fortune 500 companies are "Good-Ol-Boy" clubs. One of you mentioned that men should lead. If you look throughout history, there are many civilizations that had women leaders. The Vikings and the Egyptians are just two that come to mind. Ms. Couric's question regarding women at the table opens much room for discussion that most of you have missed. Ms. Couric, sadly I say that the answer to your question is no. Until people can intelligently debate the issue, instead of casting disparaging remarks and veering off-topic, there will not be room at the table for women.
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by auvox January 17, 2007 6:26 PM PST
Katie:

With due respect, your premise is flawed. You're implying that The Glass Ceiling is keeping "women from the table", yet I see plenty of women on air at stations around the country, in addition to the national cable channels.

Women (and men) can choose any profession they want. Can you name a single profession that is unisex these days? (And please hold comments about spermn donors and wet nurses...)

In addition to the obvious (that anyone can choose any profession that they want), yours is a profession for which proficiency is only part of the equation. If America preferred watching women reporting the news there would be more women doing so. If America preferred watching women compete in sports, the WNBA and women's figure skating would crush the NFL in the ratings.

You weren't in that room because you were a woman, and there wasn't an absence of women because of any kind of sexism. You (and Charlie, Britt, and Wolf, et al) were there because you're good at what you do.

Shouldn't our entire society be able to function on the basis of performance? Y'know, The Best One For The Job, rather than with some kind of artificial race/*** based quota criteria?

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by afelias January 17, 2007 6:32 PM PST
First of all - Olikath, I appreciate your comment on Rules of Engagement. You put it more eloquently than I ever could. Why can't we get off the juvenile comments about apperance and focus on the societal question of equality that KC posed?

Furthermore, it's sad that we are such a "ratings" obsessed culture that a journalist's commentaries are viewed unworthy because she is not #1 in the proper consumer-oriented demographic.
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by windsorcg121 January 17, 2007 7:02 PM PST
Katie Couric-
Which one of the esteemed men at the table would you replace and with which women?
I think every person at the table earned their position, you included. That's not disconcerting, as you stated, it's the way things work in a free country. Do we need "affirmative anchor action" to place people into positions they have not earned? A bit of advice- lead by example and not by whining.
By the way the anti-Bush comment was out of line for an anchor, male or female. I couldn't hear Tim Russert saying such a thing.

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by combatovride January 17, 2007 7:04 PM PST
%u201CFifty-one percent of America is female, but women make up only about sixteen percent of Congress%u201D

Honestly Katie, our congress is elected by popular vote and women vote. How many women run? Nobody is stopping women from getting into elected office. Of course women deserve a place at the table but they have to get elected first. As for you being the only women around the table, how many women vs men do you know in the industry? How many of them have been at it as long as you have? How many of them were willing to give up what you did to get where you are? How many had an audience like you did?
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by mijkcats January 17, 2007 7:10 PM PST
Watch out: I will slant my comment a bit from the right. I believe that in the world of modern news media in which Ms. Couric operates, the big battles of feminism have been largely won. She can point to herself, Paula Zahn, Oprah, Nancy Grace, Leslie Stahl, and many others as "proof." Couric%u2019s world is in fact particularly tuned to the offences to which she refers.

Look at the quick and severe treatment of people like Margaret Thatcher (Iron Maiden) and Condi Rice (her sexual preferences and "blackness" are called into question.) These women's gender does not save them from harsh treatment. Nor should it. (An aside: when politics calls for it, our elected representatives like Nancy Pelosi will play the grandma gender card with unembarrassed enthusiasm.) This reduction of gender-think is as it should be. So I highly doubt that significant sexism exists in the hiring practices of today%u2019s TV anchors which is what I think Ms. Couric is alleging. Does anybody doubt network execs would put Pamela Anderson and Rosie O'Donnell side-by-side at the CBS anchor desk if they thought it would bring ratings and revenue. Katie was bemoaning old-style man's world backsliding when I think evidence is overwhelming that w/some rare exceptions, we've long since learned those lessons.
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by haley04062 January 17, 2007 7:24 PM PST
Katie:

Im glad you are on the news!!! You have inspired many people including myself. You have taught me that you should never give up just because someone tells you you can't do it. Thank You so very much! I am super glad happy excited about the Cancer deaths going down but we need to get them down 100%. See you at 6:30!
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by exnjcop January 17, 2007 7:26 PM PST
I can get the news anywhere. What is necessary is to find someone who provides insight as to motivations and potential outcomes. The purpose of the briefing in the White House, one may imagine, was to allow certain news reporters to have access to decision makers and to garner insight into the topic under discussion.

This rare opportunity was apparently sqandered on Ms Couric. Rather than use her column to get behind the news in meanigful way and share her insights of what is happening behind the scenes on the world stage she inartfully spouts feminist platitudes.

One can only picture her dismissively sitting in the Bush White House like a Bobble head doll, looking at the other invitees while some of the most powerful people on the planet attempt to hand her the story behind the story on a silver platter.
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by thematman January 17, 2007 7:28 PM PST
This is the reason why CBSNEWS has sunk in the ratings. Feminists like Ms. Couric seem to think that we should advance women simply for the sake of advancing women. Of course, such a construct undermines the credibility of the woman being advanced. And without credibility, newsanchors will never enjoy the respect necessary to draw and keep an audience.
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by Alvinjh January 17, 2007 7:31 PM PST
It strikes me that you were daydreaming in your feminist role about what was important at this meeting--i.e. why were you there? Were you there as a news reporter or a representative for the feminist majority? For me, this kind of on going self realization is ridiculous. I long ago quit paying attention to news stories about the first women this or that and began listening to the content. You will be happy to know that many of us no longer care if you wear a skirt or not. We do pay attention to what you actually say, and what it reveals about your judgment, reasoning, intelligence and point of view.

If you insist on wondering aloud about how far you%u2019ve come (or not) why not find a job at a feminist magazine? You will have the audience that is truly interested in your musings about the wonder of your gender. Many of us don%u2019t care about your skirt. We do care about what the state of the world is and why things are proceeding as they are and what is the likelihood things will get better or worse.

Declarative sentences are preferable to your innuendo--no matter who sits across the table from you, they deserve better than a catty tone. Get over yourself.
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by mollym8 January 17, 2007 7:35 PM PST
I thought on the Today show Katie C. was nothing more than a giggling entertainer. I did not plan to watch her on CBS news. I watch it all of the time now. Her ideas of focusing, not so much on the news of the day which I get in great detail the next morning in the W. Post, W. Times and NYTimes, but on stories like tonight's series on the brain, is refreshing. She should not worry about no women at the White House - she should revel in the fact that she is the one who has made it. There are plenty of women behind her and they will be there - hopefully one will be President - just not Hillary! Anyone but Hillary! Shame Condi Rice won't run. Keep up the good work, Katie - I have to admit every night to my husband how pleasantly surprised I am - forget "woman" or "man" - let's all just try to do a good job.
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by theflash2007 January 17, 2007 7:37 PM PST
Dear Ms. Couric,

Thanks for your astute observations about the state of women in government and lack of representation thereof.

By any chance...did you see the recent exchange between Sen. Barbara Boxer and Secretary Rice?

If so, I'd love to hear your comments on that bit of feminism bashing.

Thank you from your fan,

The Flash
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by gdoyens January 17, 2007 7:55 PM PST
Sorry, don't agree with you Katie. It's not time to put women in these positions unless and until they earn it. It's not about being a woman and therefore you get the position because there are too many men in that job. That's the last reason a woman should be there. It should be notable to you that the NPR team covering the war in Iraq just won one of the most prestigious journalism awards -- that team is dominated by female journalists working in the most dangerous part of the world. That's real journalism; they're in it and they *** sure earned it.
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by programmer91 January 17, 2007 7:56 PM PST
One may "deserve" a seat at one's kitchen table, but last time I looked one must EARN a place at any particular business/political table.

By the look of Katie's "news show" ratings, one may argue CBS gave her a place - as opposed to actually earning it.

How can Katie lead CBS news with this perspective of reality? With the view that overtly states people should be gifted high positions simply due to a random mathematical ratio of completely non-relevant indicators such as: ***, skin color, height, weight, sexual orientations, etc. - rather than on earning positions based on excelling in the independently measurable criteria required for holding the positions?

This especially irks me as the MLK holiday was not 3 days ago (he was the man who dreamed that one day his children would live in a nation where they would be measured by the content of their character rather than the color of their skin)!

Grow up! Merit, not quotas - character, not bigotry - ability, not desire -- are what equality is all about!

Equal ability to achieve position is the goal - not equal numbers regardless of ability.
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by exnjcop January 17, 2007 8:00 PM PST
The teaser to you story indicates that you noticed something "unusual". I assume that by "unusual" it is meant out of the ordinary. If we accept your premise that women are not allowed in the power elite then it was your presence that was unusual as it should have been all men. Therefore the male of the species is no longer able to keep women excluded and your premise falters. You, madam, are the proof that women can make it. Indeed you may also be the proof that women can make because thay are women and not inspite of it.

Did you also notice that in addition to being men they were also White men? English speakers?, Well educated? Well paid? Probably arrived by limo? Middle Aged? If the lines are to be drawn by genetics and not ability or competency next time I demand the White House invite non-white, non- English speaking, poor, uneducated, young people of dubius gender who walk to the meeting. The news gleaned from them about the meeting might be a far sight more interesting than what you apparently learned.
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by cpatt588 January 17, 2007 8:07 PM PST
afelias
Please understand. Most of these anti-Katie comments are saying that the issue should be the job, informing the public about the news, not the fact that there weren't enough skirts in the room. READ Katie's comments. If you are a woman, you should be insulted. I don't deny that a woman deserves to be in her spot, but one who can carry the water. I would take Barbara Walters and Connie Chung over Katie any day of gthe week. It's about doing a good job, not whining about feminism and definitely not about bashing the President. I wouldn't wish that on anyone, including Clinton.
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by movermike-2009 January 17, 2007 8:21 PM PST
I'm no big fan of Katie Couric, but Katie is taking some heat on a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/01/17/couricandco/entry2366267.shtmlhttp://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/01/17/couricandco/entry2366267.shtml" her blog /a for her comments and I'm in agreement with Katie. p She says 51% of the U.S. is female yet only 16% of Congress is female. I think it's great that she isn't jaded about meetings in the White House and I think any one of us would notice if we were the only one of our *** or race in a meeting. This is not a case for Affirmative Action for women. It is a hope that rational mankind will turn to its other half for answers, intelligence and advice.
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by gyrtolga January 17, 2007 8:38 PM PST
Who's fault is THAT, Katie? The media seems to hold itself up as the holier-than-thou pure-as-the-wind-driven-snow watching-the-watchers type that never does anything wrong. But in this case, who, exactly is Couric lashing at and not realizing it??? Her boss and the boss of everyone else in that room.

That's right, she's complaining about the people at the head of the very industry that employs her.

So much for the media being ahead of the times, huh?
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by rlprofessional January 17, 2007 8:38 PM PST
Well... now you know how a black man feels. At least they let you in the room
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by junepotato January 17, 2007 8:40 PM PST
"no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office. " What is that supposed to mean?
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by skx750 January 17, 2007 9:21 PM PST
maybe if you, and women like you, would act like you belonged in your position you might be taken more seriously no one "deserves" a place at that table they earn it if this article is indicative of your journalistic ability then it's obvious that you are just a token you were at the White House due to the fact that they could "not invite" the CBS anchor you were lucky enough to be that person CBS needs to be reminded that it's the news...not the newsperson
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by January 17, 2007 9:31 PM PST
Katie, dear, I think we would be further down the road if it weren't for attitudes like Nancy Pelosi's that are so demeaning to us. It isn't the right that is holding us back, it is the left!
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by nomo_noone January 17, 2007 9:41 PM PST
With your ratings, are you really surprised?
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by gheckse January 17, 2007 9:54 PM PST
First you have to qualify yourself as a journalist. Next, almost all of those at the table are mainstream media dinosaurs. Not because of when they were born, but by virtue of failing to succeed in a new media world. The *** of the attendees is unimportant. Take a look at how many women are part of the new media, Michelle Malkin, Laura Ingraham,Maggie Gallagher,Monica Crowley,Carol Platt Liebau, and others. You and CBS need to realize that "mistakes were made" and realize that it's just not working out.
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by pukinkoolaid January 17, 2007 10:23 PM PST
"Fifty-one percent of America is female, but women make up only about sixteen percent of Congress"

WOW! Imagine how many women would be in congress if women could vote!

Wait... They can, yet they only put 16% women, so who's to blame?

Besides, I'd like to see what percentage of races in the last election actually had a woman running.
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by seattle213 January 17, 2007 10:37 PM PST
If everything is to be equal then 12.9% of the congress would also be african american. but this isnt so. america is for those who try hardest regardless of race,religion or gender. constant victimization of minorities only drags them down.
btw im a minority, and watchuing minorities and affrimitive action is an insult to my intelligence
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by txcentrist January 17, 2007 10:38 PM PST
Katie's numerous detractors seem to be all of a similar opinion -- and most likely the same troll using different logins. While Katie is still coming into her own as an anchor, she's certainly a talented and intelligent professional. The animosity generated by her post in this thread seems to me like the majority has been generated by one person with a serious axe to grind. Good luck Katie, keep opening the doors and doing high-integrity work.
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by compwiz4u January 17, 2007 10:53 PM PST
Katie,
Since politics is the only inherently criminal profession, according to Mark Twain, your story leads me to believe that most women are not corrupt and, therefore, that is the real reason their numbers are limited in Congress and the upper echelons of that field.

Your displeasure is misplaced as women have made great strides in businesses and the military where corruptibility is not a prerequisite for the job.

I believe politics is just too distasteful for the gentler ***.
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