Public Eye
October 3, 2006 4:20 PM

Strong Commentary On School Violence But A Little Off Topic

Judging from the e-mails we’ve received, many of the comments over at the Couric & Co., blog and the comments left at CBSNews.com, yesterday’s “freeSpeech” segment on the “Evening News” has raised the ire of plenty of viewers. The segment featured Brian Rohrbough, the father of one of the students killed at Columbine High School in 1999, addressing the recent school shootings in Pennsylvania and Colorado. You can watch the commentary by clicking on the image to the left or read the transcript here. Here is part of what’s drawing the most criticism, from Rohrbough:
This country is in a moral free-fall. For over two generations, the public school system has taught in a moral vacuum, expelling God from the school and from the government, replacing him with evolution, where the strong kill the weak, without moral consequences and life has no inherent value.

We teach there are no absolutes, no right or wrong. And I assure you the murder of innocent children is always wrong, including by abortion. Abortion has diminished the value of children.
Here are some of the comments that have landed in our in-box – William R. says:
It is sad to see CBS pander to the extreme right wing. The network that brought us Edward R. Murrow and Walter Cronkite has now become a cheap imitation of Fox (false) news.
Barbara R. was also disappointed:
We have been CBS evening news watchers for many years, but tonight was the last night I will ever watch the news on CBS.

What in the world was Couric thinking of when she had the Columbine parent on Free Speech? He blamed the lack of religious teachings in school, Darwin and abortion rights for the murderous rampages in Colorado and Pennsylvania.
Ed B. said:
Obviously this gentleman has lived through a parent's worst nightmare and today's events surely brought back terrible memories. What I found offensive however is the CBS News choice to present his highly personal views to a wide national audience with no opportunity for an alternate voice to be heard. While I may agree with some of his thoughts, others are completely absurd and would surely lead this country back to the Middle Ages. You gave this individual an uncritical platform to demonize activities such as the teaching of evolution. Can this argument also be extended to the convicted pedophiles of the Catholic clergy? I hope in the future you will be more discriminating when inviting comments from the public to be used in the Evening News.
Derrick G. sees too many conservative voices on the segment as a whole:
This is a noble effort, the segment on “freeSpeech;” it could lead to a rejuvenation of our public airwaves by creating a 21st century public commons, another platform for our citizens to converse with one another. You will add nothing but poison to the well if you continue to allow only the voices of the right-wing polemics to be aired to the nation.

If you cannot find voices that seek to unite us as a nation - voices who will re-engender that feeling of One People that we all felt on 12 September 2001 - then you should cancel this program. We have plenty of divisive voices speaking past one another.
Click through the links above if you would like to see what others are saying. On her blog, CBS anchor Katie Couric addressed the criticism:
We knew when we decided to put on this segment that a lot of people would disagree with it. We also knew some might even find it repugnant. (Some of you made that point loud and clear!)

But that is the very essence of what we’re try to do with the “freeSpeech” segment. This is a platform for our viewers to hear from a wide range of people – those who may share your views, and those who don’t.
And in an e-mail to PE, “Evening News” executive producer Rome Hartman explained how this particular “freeSpeech” came about:
In the hours after the tragic school shooting in Pennsylvania, we asked Brian Rohrbough, whose son was murdered in 1999 at Columbine High School, if he had any thoughts or reaction he might want to share with our viewers to the shootings at the Amish school. We imagined that his perspective, as a parent who lost a son in a school shooting, might make a very valuable ‘freeSpeech’ perspective for last night. He agreed, put his thoughts on paper, and drove to our Denver affiliate to deliver them on camera.

When I saw what Mr. Rohrbough meant to say, I was surprised. I’m not sure what I expected him to think or feel or say, but this wasn’t it. Of course I knew that his remarks would be controversial, perhaps even offensive to some. I also knew that some people in our audience would agree with him. I also thought to myself, “This is ‘freeSpeech.’ We don’t tell people what to say or what to think. We DO tell people that we won’t run personal attacks or comments that are patently, demonstrably false.” I decided to run the segment.
So, was this particular commentary out of bounds? I actually found it to be exactly the type of commentary in general that makes me want to see the segment continue and thrive. But there is a very legitimate criticism of this particular episode, an issue of relevance.

Because both recent school shootings involved an outside adult and not students, whether or not our educational system is creating a moral vacuum seemed out of place and creates confusion about just what the immediate issue is. I would certainly rather have that disconnect than have something perfectly scripted written for someone instead of their genuine thoughts. But this was an unfortunate case of mixing apples and oranges in my opinion.

The other criticism being leveled is at the segment in general. Many commenters upset with the content of the commentary feel that the conservative viewpoint is favored over others. Much of that depends on where one sits on the ideological fence of course. There have been conservative like Rush Limbaugh and Rudy Giuliani (although I could find plenty of conservatives who don’t claim the former New York Mayor) featured, but there have also been some pretty liberal commentaries as well, especially on the issue of immigration. You can see all the segments here and make up your own minds. But keep some perspective, there have only been 20 of them to date and it’s much too early to declare a widespread lack of balance. Give it a few more months and judge the whole body of work.

My personal take, for what it’s worth, is that Mr. Rohrbough’s commentary was the kind of strong opinion that makes “freeSpeech” worth running every night. Then again, I like being challenged to think, and I especially enjoy being forced to defend my own thoughts, beliefs and assumptions and I’m not threatened by someone who doesn’t agree with my personal ideological checklist. And I find it fascinating that the reader who lauds Murrow (who took on Joe McCarthy) and Cronkite (who took on the Vietnam war) sees no inconsistency in complaining about “freeSpeech.” But you’re free to disagree with me.
Tags:
freeSpeech
Topics:
CBS News Issues
Add a Comment See all 51 Comments
by k-sozer October 3, 2006 4:57 PM PDT
I agree with you, the commentary was entirely appropriate to the segment. While I don't agree with all that he said, I can respect this man's opinion.

What's more, the freeSpeech segment has certainly not been overweighted to the conservative side. It may just seem that way to the folks who became accustomed to the "all liberal all the time" approach of prior CBS administrations.
Reply to this comment
by rajani1-2009 October 3, 2006 5:31 PM PDT
I think they should keep religion out of school. They should also keep abortion issue out of politics. All these things should be personal and should be taught at home. Only if parents take the responsibility of teaching morality at an early age to a child, the results will be miraculus. Teacher could have different views than my own views. It will be too late if I give away my responsibility to any teacher and blame her/him if my child does not behave.School should be a place just for education. Children should have more time to devote on important education. Children in other countries are doing better than in this country with very little resources.
Reply to this comment
by centralcal-2009 October 3, 2006 5:36 PM PDT
Ah yes, "free" speech. Amazing how many people are threatened by it. However, that is not the point of my post - rather, I guess I need to apologize for my (sarcastic) doubts (expressed in a post prior to Ms. Couric's debut) that this segment would just be the usual ultraliberal talking heads/experts/pundits. Soooo, Vaughn, so far it appears that I was wrong.

Off subject a bit - read an interview of Roger Ailes today, celebrating FoxNews' 10 year anniversary. I have often wondered, if just one of the network news programs strove for more balance (or at least more middle/moderate ground) what their ratings would look like? Ailes thinks he could give the network news a run for their money if it were possible to enter that market. Well, why does it have to be an Ailes? Fox swept past CNN and MSNBC in their 3-way ratings race. Is no one in MSM bright enough to see that the same thing could happen among the big 3?
Reply to this comment
by cyclops.eyesonly October 3, 2006 6:16 PM PDT
I rather agree with you opinion, the free speech segment is working as it should if and when it stirs up public debate, as for the lady who will never watch CBS News again...she can choose what she wants its all a part of the whole freedom thing that our country is founded upon.

I didn't agree with the mans opinion, but opinions need to be heard, From the everyday man especially because there are hordes of us that feel as though no one speaks for us.
Reply to this comment
by amahc October 3, 2006 7:04 PM PDT
The fact that the event happened in an Amish school is proof that secular schools aren't the cause of violence:the Amish have no separation from religion in any aspect of their lives. The Amish are steeped in, saturated in their faith- if it happened to them, it will happen anywhere. Enforced doctrine is not insurance against people going crazy. The only real protection is gun control.
Reply to this comment
by mailpro56 October 3, 2006 7:17 PM PDT
Isn't it funny we are discussing a conservative point of view on 'Free Speech'. It just goes to show how they were not reflected on CBS news all these years.

I find it funny that Mr. Hartman thought it might be 'offensive' to some. Can you ask him if he thought the liberal 'Free Speech' segments might have been offensive to some people? I bet he didn't!
Reply to this comment
by invmartyc October 3, 2006 7:29 PM PDT
How can this man connect the tragic murder of his son with abortion? Is he saying that because of abortion the two mentally sick boys who killed his son were inspired by a woman having the choice of what she does with her body.

The man failed to mention that the murderers committed their crimes because of being bullied by other students in the school. Maybe his own son was one of these bullies, maybe not. But they killed him because of a desire for revenge, and not having anything to do abortion. And no, they did not loose respect for life because of abortion being legal. They lost respect for life when the billies that victimized them push them to the breaking point.

This man has dishonored what little memory there is of his son by using the memory of his murder to further some ultra-christian right wing political agenda. Maybe his God and son can forgive him, maybe not.

Nuff said.
Reply to this comment
by djboehlke October 3, 2006 7:33 PM PDT
It is remarkable that the thoughtful new approach of the Couric-version of CBS news could include such a divisive, polarizing commentary as was telecast after the Amish school shooting. The comments expressed rigid religious thinking that should not be aired in this important time slot.
CBS is facing a critical crossroad. Is it part of the problem of a dividing country? Is it trying to stir controversy to get ratings? Free speech does not have to be abusive to the beliefs of others, especially at a time of national mourning. Shame on you for this behavior. Don't expect viewers to tolerate ratings sideshows. Certainly, not this viewer. Please do make me go back to other networks.
Reply to this comment
by aminfla-2009 October 3, 2006 7:40 PM PDT
The truth hurts? Mr. Brian Rohrbough was accurate in his Free Speach segment if you agree with him. Thank you for showing that we each do have the RIGHT TO FREE SPEECH. It is reassuring to see there is still someone who will ALLOW FREE SPEECH. Not everyone agrees with each of our thoughts and opinions. But thank you CBS for showing that not only those that want NO GUIDANCE from a higher power can have FREE SPEECH. If Mr. Rohrbough feels that the decay of our society is the cause of our decline into depravity, this is his belief. Do we childishly shout at him and tell him to shut up because he voiced a DIFFERENT opinion. When we stop listening because it is not our voice we hear we cease to learn.
Reply to this comment
by grandpagene2 October 3, 2006 7:54 PM PDT
I have read the comments made, so far, concerning what Mr Brian Rohrbough said about our country's moral decline, both pro and con and have reached the only logical conclusion aviable to evertyone. I base this on the fact that every thing said, pro and con, proves beyond doubt that he is right!
Reply to this comment
by wbolick October 3, 2006 7:57 PM PDT
I'd be willing to bet that the murderer of the Amish girls had political views closer to those of Rohrbough than to those of any liberal, but conservatives such as Rohrbough will always choose not to look at themselves as the problem. Mr. Rohrbough, the problem is not evolution or abortion, it is this country's infatuation with guns. I'm sure you have a few yourself. You do your son's memory a disservice.
Reply to this comment
by wbolick October 3, 2006 8:00 PM PDT
Looks like besides some courses in logic that GrandPaGene2 needs to restart his education with some spelling lessons!
Reply to this comment
by wolfawls October 3, 2006 8:02 PM PDT
I'm shocked that so many responses to last nights 'Free Speech' are so angry. That tells me that the comments hit deeply into peoples' hearts. This man has thought about this issue for a long time from a perspective that I will never share, and that forces me to seriously consider his opinion. And that's exactly what it is, an opinion: but one resulting from direct experience. Why does that make people so mad? Isn't that the whole point of the piece? Regardless of one's personal beliefs, I think it's safe to say that things are NOT OK in the US of A. We must open this dialog no matter how painful. OUR CHILDREN ARE DYING! All that they have to depend upon is us.
Reply to this comment
by Woznot October 3, 2006 8:08 PM PDT
I found the Oct 2 "Freespeech" extremely disturbing. The speaker blamed Columbine partly on teaching evolution in science classes. As a science teacher I can assure you that there is a good chance that teachers and students will be harmed by this speech. Don't forget that at least 2 out of a 100 students has psychopathic tendencies. Ironically, the words of the Oct 2 speaker are strikingly similar to the letters from mentally-ill desparate students who have threatened and carried out violence. Speech may be free in this country, but it is not without consequences.

P.S. If free speech is the ideal then why do you have "rules of engagement" for the posts but permit bigotry from the speakers?
Reply to this comment
by chmasol October 3, 2006 8:11 PM PDT
I totally agree with Mr. Rohrbaugh's opinion. The morals of soooo many in our country are in the gutter. The entertainment on the TV is so immoral I watch very little except the news. Thank you Katie for at least letting OUR side be heard. The liberal side is mostly all we hear. Keep up the good work Katie.
If there are any more people whom still have Godly morals, let's hear from you!
Reply to this comment
by fivay October 3, 2006 8:17 PM PDT
Thank You Katie and CBS for FREE SPEECH. I guess some people don't believe in it.Fivay
Reply to this comment
by garyleon1 October 3, 2006 9:09 PM PDT
Have not watched CBS NEWS in years till Katie came aboard. I will now,great format. News that cuts to the chase. Mr. Rohrbaugh your thoughts about FREE SPEECH were right on.You and Katie keep on doing what you are doing.
Reply to this comment
by cnmbarfoot October 3, 2006 9:11 PM PDT
There is no disconnect between the commentary and the events. The same culture that permits abortion and seeks to remove all traces of faith in God in schools (or any public arena) produced the shooters. Reduction of human life from divinely created to the product of chance, to be manipulated and/or discarded at will, ensures that taking human life becomes easier. Don't misunderstand, I believe that there are more good things happening in schools and the culture in general than bad. Bullies, teasing, and the like have always existed. Why in only the last 20 years do people decide that this justifies them to massacre children in school? As for infatuation with guns, please give us all a break. If that were true, we would be extinct by now. One more aside-it is interesting that some who talk so much about tolerance practice it so little.
Reply to this comment
by bo234 October 3, 2006 9:32 PM PDT
CBS claims that they don't censor opnions on their 'Free Speech' segment, but where is Bill Maher's segment on religion? CBS claims they that he was not prohibited from speaking about religion but the evidence suggests otherwise. Three weeks later and there is still no segment from Bill Maher. Why is it OK for Mr. Rohrbough to discuss his view of religion while Bill Maher is silenced?
Reply to this comment
by denton57 October 3, 2006 9:39 PM PDT
I think the segement on "Free Speech" was absolutely the truth. America has become a country of people living in a erotic fairy tale world of moral decay. A life is worthless today. especially those of the children who are only here for the enjoyment and pleasure of those who enjoy using them and abusing them before they have a chance to live and protect themselves.
American society is very, very sick.
Reply to this comment
by kerrilb October 3, 2006 9:48 PM PDT
I am disappointed that people seem to be dismissing Mr. Rohrbaugh's opinion simply because he chose to bring up God, morality, and abortion. They are scoffing at him as just another conservative crackpot. He has experienced the most gut-wrenching ordeal any parent can have: the murder of a child. His comments are heartfelt and in this country, he is allowed to voice his opinions. It is so sad that violence in our schools has only escalated since prayer was banned. I agree that values should be taught at home. However, it is painfully obvious that values are not being taught in EVERY home. I wonder what would happen if we invited God back to school?
Reply to this comment
by arianwen October 4, 2006 12:45 AM PDT
Mr. Rohrbourgh's comments have offended people but that is the nature of free speech and why it has to be protected. Free speech is a cornerstone of western civilization. Without it, bad politicians and societal evils would never be exposed. Mr. Rohrbourgh has paid a high price to be interviewed by CBS in that he lost his child, and yes, he should be allowed his opinion regardless of who is offended. It seems nowadays every point of view can be expressed except the Christian point of view. Without those same Christian values, however, dissenting views would never have been allowed in America in the first place.

My belief is that the problem with students killing other students is that they are damaged by antidepressant drugs. Have any of the killers NOT been on some sort of antidepressant? Red flag, anyone? Kids on drugs is a uniquely American phenomenon and that's why other societies don't have these problems.

As to Mr. Rohrbourgh, he could well be right. I challenge his detractors to step outside their boxes and honestly evaluate his statements. People raised in moral environments are clearly much less inclined to violence.

Free speech is under attack and has almost been eliminated in the free world. It is distressing to see Americans attack someone else's right to express views different from their own.

Reply to this comment
by buttheads2000 October 4, 2006 3:39 AM PDT
I think that the Oct. 2 Free Speech was Excellent. WAKE UP PEOPLE.This Great United States of America is getting MUCH WORSE. We have more Robberies,Home Invasions,Thefts,Rapes,Brutal Beatings,Drug Addicts,Murders,Homeless people,Muggings,and Mentally ill people. All United States Citzens Wake Up. All the Security measures that we have in the schools is Not Enough. The Police and Swat and FBI and All other Law enforcement can't be everywhere all the time. The metal dectors and cameras and ID Badges and Resourse Officers are not doing the Job to Protect OUR CHILDRED. These Bad People are STILL GETTING into our schools. The ATF No Gun Zone in and around schools ONLY WORK for the HONEST PEOPLE. Criminals and others don't care about the Laws as EVERYBODY CAN SEE. 3 Different shootings at 3 different schools in 3 different areas. We should start working to get Gun Laws passed so Honest Law abiding citizens that can Legally carry Guns WITH CONCEALED GUN LICENSES carry in,on,around,and into schools. If Bad people KNOW that GUNS are in schools then they are less likely to commit crimes in schools since it is possible for them to get shot before they could do ANY HARM TO OUR CHILDREN.
Reply to this comment
by micah6_8 October 4, 2006 7:42 AM PDT
Why is free speech free only until someone says something I don't like? Personally, I am extremely thankful that Mr. Rohrbaugh had the courage to say the things that he did on national television. I am also grateful to God Almighty that I live in a country where he is allowed to say it and I pray that we never come to a day where he and others like him are forced into silence. May God help the United States.
Reply to this comment
by bunnybaum October 4, 2006 10:31 AM PDT
I agree with Mr. Rohrbough 100%. We need to bring God back in to the schools and the sooner the better. The lack of religion in schools is promoting more violence every day. I feel each school should say the Lord's Prayer every morning before starting classes with heads bowed and hands clasp. I am a Christian but I am NOT overly religious, I just feel that the way the world is today, putting God in more schools would not hurt. Let's give it a try.
Reply to this comment
by haalton October 4, 2006 11:22 AM PDT
Because of the latest media coverage on violence in schools in Colorado, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania, I would like to introduce you to a proven solution for creating and fostering a safe and threat free school environment, AnComm. Students log on to the service from ANY computer with internet access and have the ability, on or off campus, to create positive connections with adults by messaging about topics of concern (bullying, drug abuse, violence, sexual harassment, suicide, weapons, etc.). Faculty recipients are alerted in real-time to new messages and have the opportunity to respond.
To find out more about AnComm please visit www.ancomm.com or call Toll Free 866-926-2666.



Reply to this comment
by theanchores October 4, 2006 11:45 AM PDT
If Couric does nothing else, she deserves big props for instituting the freeSpeech segment, which is going to do a lot, I think, to re-invigorate public debate and perhaps inspire a few closed minds (on both sides) to realize just how closed they've become in our partisan, polarized and reactive 21st century.

May a great re-opening of minds begin...let's get some fresh air circulating through the stale Boomerthink we've been inhaling since the 1960's,and through the fire and brimstone, too!
Reply to this comment
by markross5 October 4, 2006 12:54 PM PDT
Agree with Mr. Rohrbough or not, I wish every "free speech" segment could be so strong and be worthy of such passionate debate.
Reply to this comment
by phoenixandy October 4, 2006 1:54 PM PDT
It's amazing over the last 24 hours all the Christian fanatic fundies who normally don't watch CBS News have flooded this site with praise for Brian Rohrbough. News sure travels fast in the fascist-wing blogosphere.
Reply to this comment
by lillyinthewa October 4, 2006 1:55 PM PDT
Wow! maybe you did not see the label of the time slot!! It is called FREE SPEECH!! Agree or not! just listen and live on! That is our duty as watchers of the news! Lordy! It is not called Bo,s fee speech ,Denton's free speech or even Lillys free speech! For that reason along the man can say what he wants about any subject! By the way Katie this is the time to make your program your own! You and your staff had the man on because you thought we should know what he was feeling! Stand by it!!! Even if it is all that PC!! That is Lillys free speech about your free speech!!
Reply to this comment
by satishdalia-2009 October 4, 2006 2:01 PM PDT
Looks like the prayer is the answer to all problem!! Good may be we should have prayer introduced into Halls of Congress to clean up the filth? But wait, they do have prayer and Chaplin for Congress so I guess that didn't stop Foley to prey(No pu intended) on kids. If the man had said about his losing son, the impact would be much larger. But it looked like he was using his son's death for his views which has nothing to do with the problem at hand.
Now for "Free Speech", you really do not have that since you screen the subject matter anyway.
In spite of everything I do not agree on this subjest and Free Speech, I am long time viewer of CBS NEWS. Keep up the tradition set by Walter Cronkite. Good Luck.
Reply to this comment
by svendc October 4, 2006 3:02 PM PDT
Thank you Katie for the Free Speech segment and for reminding all of us that America needs to be a place that is accepting of diverse thought and ideas. Now, if only the right-wing would move as far in understanding that as you "liberal media" do, so that the principles of our pluralistic democracy. I edit RH Reality Check.org, which covers reproductive health issues from abortion and contraceotion to HIV, and today posted "FAIR AND BALANCED KATIE COURIC" to remind us all that the best part about smart women anchors is the sense of fairness they bring to the news. http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/blog/2006/10/04/fair-and-balanced-couric
Reply to this comment
by caucus1 October 4, 2006 4:30 PM PDT
Surely there were other Columbine parents who were not religious hysterics. Or other parents who have lost children in tragic circumstances. How much effort did you put into deciding whom to ask? I agree that once you asked him to speak, you were obliged to air his views. But how much thought went into asking him?
Reply to this comment
by dluxxed October 4, 2006 5:27 PM PDT
I appreciated Brian Rohrbough's comments. The reality of our world suddenly looks very different from the perspective of a parent who's lost a child to senseless violence. I believe that taking an honest look at where we're at and where we've come from is important.
As a leading edge baby boomer(born in 47' and working in radio since 1973), I've lived out most of my adult life watching how life has changed in America...fact is, our nation is deeply divided into two significant camps;those who believe in God and those who don't.
The difference between the two camps is signifcant. One believes in right and wrong, based on a moral code, the other has a much broader spectrum of consideration, but with a serious flaw, that being "relative values".
Relative to what? There has to be a plumb line somewhere. If you want solid construction of anything from a building to a human life, that plumb line has to be based on truth...not "your truth" and "my truth". Truth does not contradict itself...if it does, it's not truth. Popular culture's best efforts at satisfying the needs of human beings just isn't cutting it. Entertainment,internet, cell phones, clothes, sports, activites, drugs, ***, and alcohol don't make the grade.
Fact is, kids need parents to protect, provide for them, love, and nurture them....many of our kids get none of that today.
History is full of cultures that were great for a time but then fell apart. What happened?
dluxxed
Reply to this comment
by skeezix06 October 4, 2006 6:52 PM PDT
When I come home from work, I want news backed up by commentary from experts in the field so that I can learn something new. It's that simple.

Its also NOT what I've been seeing since Schieffer left. You should bring him back.

Reply to this comment
by keeler2003 October 4, 2006 8:17 PM PDT
I am totally amazed as I look through the comments posted here, how totally intollerant the 'supposed' tolerant left is. I guess they are tolerant as long as it goes along with their views.

Look in the mirror before you start critisizing!
Reply to this comment
by hgals-2009 October 4, 2006 8:22 PM PDT
Why can't cbs understand there is a huge conservative population in our country. We want the news reported straight forward and no sneaky questions to prompt a certain political response. This man was speaking from his heart and represents a huge population who agree with him. Your staff should repond to him like he said something wrong. Please give both political sides a fair chance. I might watch your news program and website more often.

Thank You

Gold
Reply to this comment
by calgaryrob October 4, 2006 8:35 PM PDT
Mr. Rohrbough's comments were 100% right on, and I'm an atheist.

Anyone who would find his comments "repugnant" is clearly part of the problem.

Yet again, we get a clear example of how the left's TOLERANCE and love of DIVERSITY OF THOUGHT is a one way street. Echo their viewpoints and they are tolerant, say something differant and the hate machine springs into overdrive.

The modern left is toxic to modern democracies.
Reply to this comment
by harrosetim October 4, 2006 9:30 PM PDT
Those who found "free speach" to be repulsive somehow fail to hear the real message. The facts are undeniable: Our country is in a moral free fall. Period. The lack of respect for human life, corporate and individual greed, selfish power plays by elected officials, loss of focus by clergy and church leaders, absence of family values depriving children of the nurturing required in their formative years, disregard of the stupidity of drug usage and alcohol mis-use are just a few of the signs of moral degredation. What does religion have to say? No one can deny that HONEST religion that recognizes a God who requests his followers to persue a life of love and caring concern for others is the antithisis of what we have described above. Who can deny that the Amish are a demonstration of what peace and forgiving love is all about.
Reply to this comment
by pastortimlfc October 4, 2006 10:58 PM PDT
People on the left are always claiming to be the open minded tolerance champions. However, judging by the typical reaction to Brian Rohrbough's comments, it is all too obvious how intolerant this camp is. This is not simply a matter of their disagreement with the man's opinion, but in their view ALL disenting voices must be silenced, and kept from the public. What are they so afraid of? Could it be that in reality the majority of Americans would strongly agree with Mr. Rohrbough? Free speech means just that. Free speech for all, not just those we agree with. Thank you CBS for having the guts to actually allow something other than the typical far left sound bites we have become so use to hearing from network news.
Reply to this comment
by bigcj55 October 4, 2006 11:34 PM PDT
Religious hysterics, give me a break..
Mr. Rohrbough spoke with eyes wide open
from the heart.
Wake up America the emperor has no clothes
Reply to this comment
by bemidjiite October 5, 2006 6:53 AM PDT
I am glad to see this discussion happening. Whether we individually agree or disagree with Brian Rohrbough's comments, as a society we desperately need to address the increase in violence, esp. in our schools. Since the trend is in the wrong direction, we ought to be open to hear criticism of our culture's direction.
I happen to agree with much of what Brian said, and I am not Republican (I vote Democrat more times than Republican), nor am I religious right (on most issues I would be labeled moderate to liberal). But I am concerned that moral relativism has led to moral decline inour country. This trend is not just evident in school violence. But perhaps our children are the canary in the mindshaft, waking us up to a trend that could eventually suffocate us all.
Reply to this comment
by scotgray-2009 October 5, 2006 10:41 AM PDT
Kudos for CBS allowing a conservative voice to be heard. It is good for us all to hear views from the left and the right. We should be mature enough to hear both sides and render our own opinions. It says a lot about from anyone from either side that is unwilling to hear the opposing voice to be heard.
Reply to this comment
by libbyfisher October 5, 2006 11:09 AM PDT
KUDOS to Brian Rohrbough! I appreciate your willingness to share your beliefs and opinions in this liberal format. You have the RIGHT to do so! In addition my sympathies go out to you for your loss. We have no idea what you have experienced. I live right down the road from this Amish massacre and can only imagine what pain like this feels like. I am a mother and a public school teacher and am becoming increasingly scared for my daughter's safety, for my safety, and for the safety of my students. Something has to be done, and it absolutely begins with examining the moral fiber of our nation.
Reply to this comment
by amusedmuse October 5, 2006 11:21 AM PDT
People who are complaining about the %u201Cintolerance of the left%u201D are missing the point. Yes, we have freedom of speech in this country, but no one has the right to claim that his/her opinion is indeed fact. That leads to madness. In addition, the media have a responsibility and a duty to place such %u201Cstrong ideas%u201D in the context of cognitive authority. That means that the media must be more informed than the public that it is informing, and that it must not portray any supposed %u201Ccontroversy%u201D in a manner that is deliberately misleading and/or agenda-driven (e.g., the %u201Cevolution versus creationism%u201D debate as if creationism has equal legitimacy in terms of scientific evidence, when it certainly does not).

Third, I think that it is a shameful display to parade obviously distraught victims who have highly subjective views before the nation as if they are %u201Cexperts.%u201D I realize that it is popular to denigrate those with true expertise as being %u201Celitist%u201D and to champion the average television viewer as somehow more educated than educated people, but everyone needs to realize that there is no institution more hierarchical and elitist than the few who sit at the top of the mass media pyramid. In the context of this, %u201Cfree speech%u201D segments become mere circus tricks. It is revolting and exploitative.
Reply to this comment
by antonriviera October 5, 2006 1:11 PM PDT
Would CBS have given the platform to a gun control advocate to say 'the one undeniable thread that ties school shootings together is guns'? Will it be contacting Nobel Prize winners to talk about the impact of creationism on school science teaching?

Mr Rohrbough is entitled to his grief and his opinion, and CBS appears to be happy to wall off a segment of its broadcast where contributors are entitled to their own facts.

"Could it be that in reality the majority of Americans would strongly agree with Mr. Rohrbough?"

Could it be that in reality the majority of Americans think his views are shockingly misinformed and totally out of the mainstream? If you're going to ask loaded questions without anything to back up their implication... well, I suppose there's a place on 'FreeSpeech' for you.
Reply to this comment
by gaxandy October 5, 2006 1:42 PM PDT
As a practicing Unitarian Universalist I am taught to be tolerent of everyones right to speak their peace. That said, I found Mr.Rohrboughs response to a tragic situation to be "blaming the victums" at the least and politically exploitive at the most. Reaching out to others and offering the balm of human kindness would have been far better.
Reply to this comment
by amusedmuse October 6, 2006 3:59 PM PDT
It turns out that the school shooter was a home-schooled Christian.

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,20521572-601,00.html

Explain to me again how solid science (evolution) in our schools is at "fault."

I reiterate: opinions are not facts, and no amount of "tolerance" makes them facts.
Reply to this comment
by linbauhi October 6, 2006 4:34 PM PDT
Your producers comments did little to calm my concerns about "FreeSpeech" ("I was a bit surprised")that I expressed in an earlier email. (in fact within seconds of the horrifically inappropriate comments by Mr. Rohrbough on the Amish massacre.)
I have access to inane comments 24 hours a day via cable news. I don't wish to hear it on a program that has traditionally been the bedrock of unbiased thoughtful news coming into American homes every night. Former CBS presenters must be rolling in their graves.
If FreeSpeech is so important to the network create another program. I personally don't wish to waste my time hearing personal comments on important news during this period. The joke is the murderer was a "good christian" and committed the murder while his wife was at a church meeting. I bet the murderer didn't believe in abortion! And yea, when is ANYONE going to mention the insanity of a country that allows a citizen to have these weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Ooops wouldn't want to upset the NRA!
Sorry Katie, I can't stay with you as long as your are forced (I presume by your producers) to waste time on this insulting segment--no matter whether or not I agree with the comments.
Reply to this comment
by linbauhi October 6, 2006 4:34 PM PDT
Your producers comments did little to calm my concerns about "FreeSpeech" ("I was a bit surprised")that I expressed in an earlier email. (in fact within seconds of the horrifically inappropriate comments by Mr. Rohrbough on the Amish massacre.)
I have access to inane comments 24 hours a day via cable news. I don't wish to hear it on a program that has traditionally been the bedrock of unbiased thoughtful news coming into American homes every night. Former CBS presenters must be rolling in their graves.
If FreeSpeech is so important to the network create another program. I personally don't wish to waste my time hearing personal comments on important news during this period. The joke is the murderer was a "good christian" and committed the murder while his wife was at a church meeting. I bet the murderer didn't believe in abortion! And yea, when is ANYONE going to mention the insanity of a country that allows a citizen to have these weapons and hundreds of rounds of ammunition. Ooops wouldn't want to upset the NRA!
Sorry Katie, I can't stay with you as long as your are forced (I presume by your producers) to waste time on this insulting segment--no matter whether or not I agree with the comments.
Reply to this comment
See all 51 Comments

About Public Eye

Description for Public Eye

  • MOST POPULAR
  • Viewed
  • Commented