Last Updated Aug 20, 2009 11:40 AM EDT
Today's cautious optimism sure beats the despair that
gripped the stock market a few months ago, says chief economist Diane Swonk of
Mesirow Financial. In her view, the markets reached a turning point in the
second quarter, or one is imminent in the third quarter, driven more by the
tapering off of bad news than the arrival of good news. But net job creation
won't revive before December or January, "if we're
Swonk has a front-row seat on the nation’s
economy, sitting on several advisory committees to the Federal Reserve Board,
its regional banks, and the Council of Economic Advisers for the White House.
Most recently, she was reappointed to serve on the Congressional Budget Office’s
panel of economic advisers, and Swonk is also past president of the National
Association for Business Economics (NABE), a title that Federal Reserve
Chairman Alan Greenspan and several other Federal Reserve presidents have also
Here she discusses whether she thinks the market’s
recent rally is sustainable, which market sectors look good and which don’t,
and what could derail a recovery.
The markets are now about 50 percent off their lows. What do you think is
It’s a sign investor sentiment has shifted. We’ve
moved from an Armageddon sentiment to a little bit more of a Pollyanna
sentiment. I’d like to see something in between. But the trend is in
the right direction overall. You’re seeing some buoyancy in investor
confidence relative to consumer confidence, versus a very bleak picture just
five months ago.
What’s fueling improved sentiment?
Partly corporate profits that have surprised us on the
upside while losses have not been as bad as expected. But also, for the first
time in nine months firms are giving guidance on the future. At last they can
see a horizon out there. The idea we have a future has really lifted investor
confidence, perhaps a little more than it should given the fragile nature of
We still have a lot of headwinds to get through, though.
Commercial real estate is still collapsing. The employment situation is far
from healed. Job losses are abating, but we’re not creating jobs yet.
When you put all of those things together, I think we’re a little
overly jubilant in the markets right now.
Recent housing data show rising demand. That sounds like a good sign for
the economy, no?
“Good” is the wrong word for that
sector. I’m feeling less bad. We’re coming from housing
starts almost at zero, so there was nowhere to go but up. From such a level
momentum is important, but builders are running at 20 to 25 percent of their
capacity at the peak of the boom. So some will still have a lot of trouble.
Are there any market sectors you like near term?
There is a lot of potential in the U.S. financial sector.
Let’s face it, big banks have lost all their competition. Rivals in
the so-called “shadow banking system” have failed or joined
the formal banking system, subject to the same lending rules and restrictions. During
the housing boom, near-zero interest rate spreads did not compensate banks for
risk. But now that spreads have widened again, banks are the only game in town
and well positioned to make more money. Unfortunately, they may make money by
being a little tighter on their lending standards. That could make it tougher
for any consumer to get a loan.
What about longer term?
Looking even further ahead, who’s going to
benefit from the recovery? We’re going to resume a fairly strong
export market, now that a weak dollar has made us more competitive.
Infrastructure investments in the developing world should benefit companies in
the construction industry. Also, agricultural equipment companies, who are
strong exporters, took a hit. Now they’re well positioned as the
global economy recovers, not only to compete with rivals but also to increase
their share of likely infrastructure investment in the U.S. and abroad.
How about the technology sector?
Technology has already begun to turn around worldwide. The
only place we’re not seeing any notebook computers or chips bought
right now is in the Ukraine and parts of former Eastern Bloc countries hit hard
by oil prices and loss of support from Russia.
We’re also about to enter the next phase of
technological revolution that will really leverage knowledge and smart
technology. So technology is at play, and this time there are a lot more real
winners than false winners that came out of the Internet bubble. Real winners
not only generate revenues, they also earn profits. In the Internet bubble we
had a lot of companies with revenues but no profits. At the end of the day,
that does not get you anywhere.
What’s on the horizon that could potentially derail a recovery?
Another round of credit tightening. We’re not
out of the woods yet. We have a lot of community banks that are going to suffer
through write-offs related to higher unemployment and higher bankruptcy rates.
Also, European banks have not taken all their losses, and they are in much
worse shape than U.S. banks. If they falter, it could stunt recovery in Europe,
which is a prime market for U.S. exports.