Currie Testimony Excerpts Part 4

Q: Is it possible that to make her feel better, either to get her off your back for a day or two or to make her feel better, that you intimated in some way that the president might have intended these for her?

CURRIE: That's possible. Yes.

Q: Your name is mentioned in this Drudge Report. ... Did the president raise this when he called you Sunday afternoon at 1:11 p.m.?

CURRIE: Mr. Bittman, I don't remember him telling me about the Drudge Report then. ... I'm trying to remember at what phone conversation

if it was on the phone, sir, or if it was in the office on Sunday, where he told me he asked me a lot of questions about Monica. And my best recollection is that he told me that on Sunday. I don't think he told me that on the phone.

Q: ... OK. Do you think the president had he been aware of the Drudge Report and now that your name is bandied about for the world to see

CURRIE: And my age.

Q: And your age ....

CURRIE: We talked about the Drudge Report, but I don't think it was on Saturday or Sunday. I can't remember when we were officially aware of the Drudge Report because Newsweek comes out on Monday.

Q: ... So why did you page Monica?

CURRIE: I'm going to guess because I don't know if I'm aware of anything like the Drudge or he's told me that her name has come up. I may want to talk to her about it. Now she had computer capacity to pull up the Drudge Report. I tried and couldn't do it, so she may already have it. I may have asked her that, wanted to find out that.

Q: Tell us why you wanted to get in touch with Monica?

CURRIE: I thought I didn't I'm not going to guess. I assume that her name had come up during the deposition. I don't think I knew anything about the Drudge Report at this stage here. I don't think I do. ... I don't think so. I don't know when I found out about the Drudge Report. ... I'm guessing. I don't know. Somehow I tried to get the Drudge Report out of the computer, which I couldn't do, but I don't know which day I tried to do that. I was aware of it.... I probably called her because stuff was going around. The Drudge Report perhaps. Her name came up at the testimony, the deposition, perhaps. Something regarding that. Otherwise, I don't know.

Q: Monica actually called you back. What was that about?

CURRIE: She called me back and the only thing I remember her saying was that "I can't talk to you." And it was (10 o'clock) or later because I was sound asleep. And she called and said something and said, "I can't talk to you, call me tomorrow." So that's all I remember on that one.

Q: The president calls you too.

CURRIE: Probably. I'm only guessing. He may have called to ask had I talked to Monica. I'm guessing.

Q: ... (A)t 8:51 you have message from K. Please call ... And it apears the last two messages are efforts to really get Monica to call you. Is that right?

CURRIE::: Well, she never did call me, so I wondered what's wrong. I mean, I never had to page her to call. I could depend on her to call minute to minute. Not that I thought she had dropped off the face of the earth, but there was some concern. She always calls back. And then she had called me the night before at whatever ... I knew she was alive and well. ... At the meeting on Sunday, he told me that he had been asked about they asked several questions about Monica Lewinsky at the deposition. He was shocked and I was shocked ... I don't know why he wanted me to... I can't remember why and I'll have to think about it, why he asked me to page her. ... I don't know. ...

Q: Well, what were you supposed to talk to Monica about that the president would be so interested in finding out?

CURRIE:: I don't remember. I could only think that if she had been contacted, does she know anything, what's happening just is she OK.

Q: The president makes an outgoing call to his secretary, Mrs. CURRIE: at 1:16 a.m. ... also the day that the Washington Post article comes out ... What do you remember about that?

CURRIE:: That was early in the morning. I was sound asleep. I remember him saying that a story is going to be in the Post tomorrow, that my name will be in it ... We talked 20 minutes.

Q: So what else did you talk about?

CURRIE:: Probably I'd like to go to bed ... But I remember him going on and on. I remember me saying, God, will he please shut up so I can go back to bed because I'm going to see him in a few minutes because it's 1:30 almost. I think he just went on and on about that. I got the impression that I think he just wanted to vent or whatever. He just talked ... (about) mostly the article.

Q: You were aware that Monica didn't want to leave the White House?

CURRIE:: Correct.

Q: And you also testified that the president was aware that Monica did not want to leave the White House.

CURRIE:: That is correct.

Q: Now, you testified before that on at least two occasions you talked to the president about getting Monica back into the White House.

CURRIE:: ... we did have conversations about getting her back.

Q: Yes. And would it be fair to say that at least in these conversations he communicated to you that he was aware that Monica very much wanted to get back into the White House?

CURRIE:: It would be fair to say that.

Q: You also testified ... that the president was aware that a reason Monica was transferred out of the White House was because she had this reputation as being "The Stalker."

CURRIE:: Correct.

Q: Tell us about your conversation with the president as to how he knew that.

CURIE:: I don't know how he knew it. I don't know ... I told him just in general conversation that that's what they said, if he'd heard it from somebody else. ... I don't remember the initial time that it came up. ... But I don't know how far it had traveled through the West Wing.

Q: ... Did you ever talk to a Secret Service officer about that you were expecting Monica?

CURRIE:: I may have done that, sir.

Q: Okay. On many occasions?

CURRIE:: I don't think so.

Q: If a Secret Service officer said that you did that, that you called him in on dozens of occasions to say that you were expecting Monica Lewinsky, would that be true or false?

CURRIE:: That would be false.

Q: How many times do you think you did that?

CURRIE:: I would say maybe three ... I'm guessing on that because I'm not sure.

Q: You mentioned that the people you remember talking about Monica being a stalker were Tim Keating, Evelyn Lieberman, maybe Nancy Hemreich.

CURRIE:: I have a vague recollection, yes, sir. ... And maybe the president.

Q: ... You've already testified he definitely talked about it also.

CURRIE:: Yeah ...

Q: ... You said you considered this rumor to be untrue about Monica being a stalker?

CURRIE:: ... Correct.

Q: And that the president also considered the rumor that Monica was a stalker to be untrue, is that correct?

CURRIE:: Correct.

Q: Who else considered it to be untrue?

CURRIE:: Monica. Other than that I don't know. It wasn't in the course of our everyday conversation.

Q: How many times did Ms. Lewinsky while she was employed at the White House see the president alone?

CURRIE:: That I don't know. ...

Q: You testified to approximately 10 times. What were you talking about on 10 times?

CURRIE:: I was thinking 10 times the entire time from beginning till now.

Q: Was the president aware that at least some people in the West Wing thought that it was unwise for Monica Lewinsky to be in the area of the Oval Office?

CURRIE:: He was aware that they had given her the term "stalker." I don't know beyond that I don't know.

Q: OK. Well, to be fair, you were talking to the president about Monica generally, about Monica leaving the White House, he had made some efforts on two occasions to try to get her back in the White House. You even told the president you didn't think it was a good idea that she come back into the White House.

CURRIE:: I did do that, yes.

Q: But yet the president still insisted that he was going to try

that he wanted you to try and get her a job back in the White House despite your feelings that she should probably not come back; is that right?

CURRIE:: Correc.

Q: OK. What about Vernon Jordan's role? You talked to Monica, you've heard some of the tapes about that. I'll play you some more tapes about that. You've seen some documents where Monica talks about what Mr. Jordan's role was. What did the president say that he knew about Mr. Jordan's role?

CURRIE:: Very little.

JUROR: Did Monica ever send a package addressed to the president to the White House?

CURRIE:: I don't know. I think they were always addressed to me, I think. I can't remember exactly. ...

JUROR: He opened his own packages, his own letters?

CURRIE:: I feel that if someone sends something personal to the president I let him open it. ...

JUROR: You don't remember you received a lot of packages from Monica.

CURRIE:: I received a lot of packages from Monica, yes.

JUROR: You put them in the president's "In" box, he takes them away.

CURRIE:: Mm-hmm.

JUROR: Where do they go?

CURRIE:: If they were letters, I have no idea. He took them. You can ask him.

JUROR: What about things that are larger, like this package that Monica described, what happened to it?

CURRIE:: He has it.

JUROR: Do you know where he keeps it?

CURRIE:: I don't. He has a briefcase. He could put it in his briefcase. ...

Q: Can you tell us other people who send gifts to the president through you?

CURRIE: Yes. ... Oh never mind. I'll give you these names and these people get subpoenas, too. Walter Kaye will sometimes most of the time a lot of times send his gifts to me.

Q: Who else?

CURRIE: Judy Collins, Barbra Streisand. I'm thinking of the gifts I've gotten the last couple weeks. Cynthia Yorken, a lot of the Cabinet secretaries will send it to me, senior staff members, staff members. ...

Q: OK. I'm asking you about Monica's mail.

CURRIE: And I made the determination not to open it.

Q: Why didn't you open hers?

CURRIE: I felt it was probably personal. ...

Q: Did you and Monica have words over the telephone, where voices were raised, for example?

CURRIE: I never raise my voice. I try very hard not to. ...

Q: Were there occasions when she was raising her voice to you?

CURRIE: There were times. ...

CURRIE: The one instance that sticks out in my mind was I don't know the date. But the president had another guest, and Ms. Lewinsky became aware of the guest, and got very upset.

Q: Was that the Eleanor Mondale incident?

CURRIE: Correct. ...

Q: So I take it it's possible there were times when you told Monica, "Yes, I've told the president about something," or "passed along the message," when you hadn't; is that a fair statemen?

CURRIE: That is probably a fair statement, though, if you cross your fingers when you when you tell a white lie, it doesn't count. No, I tried hard not to, but it was sometimes just easier. ...

Q: Can you remind us of what your responsibilities are and what exactly you do for the president?

CURRIE: Well, excuse me. There is no job description. And I learned that it's just sort of by the seat of the pants. You do ... what's to be done. I have complained bitterly about that, but no one listens and no one cares. What I try to do as part of my basic duties is that I, I answer his phone, try to keep track of the make sure he returns calls. I handle his gifts. I review the gift report and select gifts that he wants to see and try to keep an accurate logging of the gifts.

Q: When the president actually speaks to someone in person, it usually goes through you; is that fair to say?

CURRIE: Correct. It usually goes through me.

Q: And when the president wants to call someone, that call will usually go through you as well?

CURRIE: Also go through me. ...

Q: And then you will call the White House operation and then they'll say, "OK. Could you hold on?" ... Or, "We'll call you back." ... And then there will be a log of that call.

CURRIE: Correct. ...

Q: Now there are no such records of calls to Monica Lewinsky. And you have already testified that there were many occasions where you contacted Ms. Lewinsky on behalf of the president. Is that right?

CURRIE: Mm-hmm.

Q: Why didn't you go through the White House operator?

CURRIE:: I would usually call Ms. Lewinsky on my line.

Q: ... Were there any occasions when the president asked you to contact Ms. Lewinsky so he could talk to her?

CURRIE:: I think, yes.

Q: Why didn't you go through White House operator on those occasions?

CURRIE:: I would just call her number, myself. ... And I knew her number and I would just call her. And then he would pick up.

Q: ... Did ... the president not want a record of calls to Monica? Is that one of the reasons you didn't go through the switchboard?

CURRIE:: I'm going to say no. At least initially no.

Q: What did you mean by "initially no?"

CURRIE:: Well, when she started calling a lot, I said, "Oh geez, she's a little bit rude or whatever." I said, "Maybe I just won't put this just let it go I'll call directly."

Q: You told us that ... you had your suspicions about the relationship between Monica and the president ... You were worried about it ... Would that be one of the reasons that maybe initially you weren't motivated when you made the call directly by a desire not to have it appear on the record but that after a while you might have been?

CURRIE:: That perhaps could be the reason, yes. ... What I was trying to do was allow the president to have personal and private phone calls if he wanted to. And the appearance of any impropriety, I didn't want to have it. ...

Q: Mrs. Currie, were you concerned that there might be an appearance of impropriety?

CURRIE:: I was concerned about an appearance of impropriety, yes.

Q: In the president's making calls to Monica Lewinsky?


Q: ... Mrs. Currie, did you ever share your concern or special concern about the possible appearance of impropriety with the president or with anyone else?

CURRIE:: I kept it to myself.

Q: ... I notice that you said that you would not use the word stalker or clutch in identifying her? How would you characterize her, please?

CURRIE:: Initially, I would consider as an intern who had been maligned improperly. Later on, I considered her as a pain the neck, more or less.

Q: ... Because Evelyn Lieberman had worked in the past with the first lady and they knew each other very well, is it possible that Evelyn shared her fears of Monica stalking to the first lady who then facilitated her removal from the White House?

CURRIE:: I am totally unaware of that.

Q: ... Let me ask you about late January this year. The Washington Post story which uncovered what we now know as the Monica Lewinsky investigation was published on Wednesday morning, Jan. 21. We served you with a subpoena I believe that evening. Do you remember that? We served you with a subpoena to appear before this grand jury.

CURRIE:: ... I remember when the men came. I don't remember the exact date.

Q: ... But you went into you stayed at a hotel for several days away from the White House, away from your own home, and it was I believe you described it to us at the time, that you knew you had information that might be damaging to the president and you didn't want people at the White House to be around to influence you. Is that

CURRIE:: I do not remember that statement.

Q: Did you think that you had information that might possibly hurt the president?

CURRIE: It was hard to tell what I thought at that time. It was like, whew, all this came at me. Everything I didn't know who you people were, what you all were doing. If you were friend or foe. .... I was totally, totally confused. ... I didn't know what anybody wanted. ...

Q: Did you talk to the president after you returned to the White House after you appeared before this grand jury ...

CURRIE: The only thing I remember ... he asked, "How are you?" I said, "I'm fine, sir." I had been instructed by someone, I'm assuming my lawyers or maybe you, that I just couldn't talk about this. And I took that at its word. ...

... Q: I'd lke to talk to you about your meeting with the president on Jan. 18th at the White House. ... Do you remember that you testified that the president made a series of statements to you, which he prefaced with, "There are several things you may want to know?"

CURRIE: The best I remember is that he said they asked him a lot of questions about Monica.

Q: And did he appear surprised at that?

CURRIE: He did appear surprised.

Q: Did he tell you why he was telling you those statements?

CURRIE: I don't remember him saying that, no.

Q: Okay. Specifically, the five statements that you previously testified about were as follows ... The first was, "I was never alone with Monica Lewinsky, right?" The second was, "You were always here when she was here, right?" The third was, "Monica Lewinsky came on to me, and I never touched her, right?" The fourth was, "You could see everything, right?" And the fifth was, "Monica Lewinsky wanted to have sex with me, and I cannot do that." Is that an accurate rendition of the statements ...

CURRIE: ... I'm going to say yes, but No. 5 ... I don't remember it as part of that litany of questions.

Q: ... You do remember the fifth comment.

CURRIE: I remember that comment, yes.

Q: It was just said to you separately?

CURRIE: Correct.

Q: Now to each of these statements ... you did respond, "Right," ...

CURRIE: I remember saying, "Right," ...

Q: And even though you knew that each of these statements was not, in fact, true?

CURRIE: ... Well, I said, "Right," to him because I thought they were correct. ... we were around, so they were never alone.

Q: So you were outside of a closed door, though?

CURRIE: I was outside a door. I don't think the door was closed ...

... Q: ... I think you gave some examples of family, close friends, that you wouldn't log in those personal calls. Is that correct?

CURRIE: That's correct. ... Sometimes, well, the staff members, I didn't log in their calls ... Sometimes if he'd get calls from people in Hollywood, I wouldn't log those in. ...

Q: Mrs. Currie, I'm going to switch gears ... to get back to the President's statement ... "Monica came on to me, and I never touched her, right?" ...

CURRIE: I did say "Right" to that.

Q: And you were not present all the time, so you really would have no idea whether he touched her or not ...

CURRIE: Based on my personal observations, I never saw him touch her.

Q: Why didn't you just tell the President, "I have no idea?"

CURRIE: The way the question was phrased to me at the time, I answered "Right." It seemed to me that was the correct answe for me to give.

Q: Have you ever had a conversation with Monica Lewinsky ... about allegations of her having an affair with the President?

CURRIE: I do not recall any conversations with Monica regarding an affair with the President.

Q: What about sexual relations of some sort with the President?

CURRIE: I never had a conversation regarding sexual relations.

Q: What ... was the purpose of you paging her ...

CURRIE: She was a friend, and her name had come up in a deposition (in the Paula Jones case on Jan. 17, 1998).

Q: But you didn't really know how it came up, did you?

CURRIE: Only that her name had come up.

Q: And were you supposed to relay any message to her to call the President directly?


Q: Were you supposed to get back to the President and tell him whether or not you contacted Monica?

CURRIE: I don't know if it was said, but it was implied if I reached her I would let him know. ...

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