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The murder of an American Nazi

September 25, 2011 12:03 PM

Lesley Stahl reports on the murder of a neo-Nazi leader - killed by his 10-year-old son - and captures a growing subculture of hate playing out in America's backyards and alongside the border.

The murder of an American Nazi

60 Minutes OverTimeInside America's neo-Nazi movement

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by whiptit7 October 10, 2011 9:36 AM EDT
what i cant figure out is how the Tea Party can compare Pres Obama to Hilter when the Nazi are ultra right wing and advocate the death or removal of Black people. makes not senses.
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by Wow87 October 1, 2011 4:57 PM EDT
A man who bred hate, hate for people backfired. His kid hated him enough to kill him. Sad occurrence, but violence only breeds violence, and hate only breeds hate.
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by MagnaCartaUK September 30, 2011 10:40 PM EDT
The man is adorned in an S.S. uniform with Swastika flags in the background. Millions, including some of my relatives in North Africa, Italy, Normandy and at Arnhem died destroying Nazi filth. Their ancestors will do it all again, if necessary. Strange, perhaps American schools ought to be telling the story of their fellow countrymen murdered by the Waffen S.S. at Malmedy, Belgium, or pictures of Omaha Beach. History serves as a reminder - the evil that can flourish if blind eyes are turned away from it. It should be taught, and taught, and taught again until it finally sinks in. Either that, or betray them and their memory.
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by jbrundige September 30, 2011 6:32 PM EDT
I got a little upset tonight watching this 60 minutes report on the murder of Jeff Hall by his 10 year old son. Jeff was a construction worker and professional victim from the Inland Empire, California who allegedly got really mad at immigrants when he couldn't find a construction job during the recession so he decided to become a neo-nazi. Jeff was charming for an angry neo-nazi so he quickly rose amongst the small ranks to leader of the west coast chapter of the National Socialist Movement. When he wasn't preaching hate, he was down on the border with a gang of mercenaries with night vision goggles and automatic weapons rounding up Mexicans who tried to cross over. In his final days he would take his 10-year old son Joe along with him and bragged that the boy knew how to operate the guns and goggles. But all this comraderie wasn't enough to fill the void in Jeff's soul so when the other neo-nazis would go home he would drink a lot and beat up his wife and kids. This didn't seem to sit very well with his son Joe, so Joe decided to solve the problem by putting a bullet in Jeff's head one night while his dad was sleeping.

Throughout the 60 Minutes piece Jeff's Mother (Joe's Grandma) vehemently defends her son as a good father and says that although she didn't support Jeff's hate fueld politics, she thought his home was perfectly healthy and normal. Suffice it to say that I question every word that comes out of this woman's mouth, including that she's raising the remainder of Jeff's five children as 'conservative Republicans' and not neo nazis, grandma says on camera that she always believed her grandson might kill his father: "I wasn't surprised by it, I somehow felt it could always happen...my grandson was who he was from the time he was born." Stahl seems to take the word of grandma, the same woman who believes it's OK to raise your kids in a neo nazi home, and then presses the prosecutor who is working on Joe Hall's case to validate this theory for her. Stahl asks the prosecutor the age old question of whether a killer can be 'pre-programmed' (i.e. is a killer born or made). The investigator answers, "[Joe] had everything physically in place that it didn't take much to bring him along to thinking that murder is appropriate." Stahl jumps on this vague answer by positing that little Joe Hall was "born the match" and then had the circumstances to make him a killer -- a statement to which the investigator agrees. The only problem is that neither the grandma, the investigator nor Stahl can provide any evidence for their theory because, to put it simply, we currently have the same ability to prove genetic correlations to murderers as we do to prove the existence of alien colonies in far off galaxies. Stahl is taking extradinary liberties with Science in a baffling attempt to prove that this little boy was BORN a murderer rather than looking at the facts of the case or what could have MADE this boy murder his father.

Stahl says in the piece that she traveled to California to investigate the story of a son who murdered his neo nazi father, but that she found something much more complicated. She seems surprised to find a troubled family with a history of abuse and children who were out of control. It's as if she expected to find a child with a full conception of right and wrong who decided to murder his father on ethical grounds. When talking about little Joe's problems at school his grandmother says "Joe was Joe and they were having a real hard time figuring out what his problems were." But it seems pretty clear to me that when you are broke and jobless and spend your free time either giving hate speeches or going to the border with night vision goggles and automatic weapons and then getting drunk and beating up your kids, you aren't focusing too much on your kids' problems at school. It is counter-intuitive to simultaneously report that Jeff Hall was a good father and that he physically abused his wife and kids. I'll even take it one step further -- it's not possible to simultaneously be a neo nazi and a good father. These two concepts are not mutually exclusive. To be a good parent you must first be able to instill good ethics in your children and a neo nazi would by definition be unable to do this. What makes a lot more sense is that Joe Hall was raised by angry, alcholic parents who abused him since birth, taught him hate instead of ethics and showed him how to use automatic rifles instead of how to toss a baseball. On top of that, Joe's grandmother believed the man who was abusing him walked on water (you can see it when she referred to her son as a "nazi leader"), but that Joe was born bad and so he most likely began to believe it himself. Feeling no escape from the situation, and believing that he was born a bad child, Joe acted in the only way he had been taught -- with mercenary-like violence.
See my full post: http://joebrundigedesigns.com/node/28/
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by knewhim September 29, 2011 1:25 AM EDT
Lots of organizations use violence to get what they want. What about the Black Panthers, or The Teamsters Union? What is scarey is how easy it was for Jeff Hall to "fall into" this life style. So, he was broke and pissed that illegals took him jobs... Who paid for that nice house that he heald those meetings and social gatherings in? Did the NSM pay his rent or food for all the guys that came over on the third Saturday of every month? Who bought the meat and the booze and the sound system they used at these events? What I really think we should be pissed about is that Jeff Shoup was not paying Jeff Hall's bills... The State of California was. Food stamps and welfare paid for Nazi gatherings. Check out Jeff Shoup with his mixed race kids. It's all pretty silly when you get to the dirt of it. And, they talked about all the blacks and illegals on welfare and foodstamps. We all know his wife Krista had no job...

At least the GOP encourages work. You dont work, you don't eat. The gas prices were never this high with Bush in office. Ill join the NSM if they will pay what I make now and I could do fund raising events to stop illegals! But, that is just a pipe dream. Food Stamps and Welfare is what make the NSM go around. Sicker then being an illegal. At least they TRY to work. Great job Hall and Schoup. Your changing the world one scumbag at a time. Maybe one of JS little mixed race kids will turn a weapon on him next? Oh yeah, he won't carry a weapon. He has the Halls' of the world to protect him.
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by RyanJMurdough September 28, 2011 6:38 PM EDT
NSALP REPLIES TO CBS 60 MINUTES BROADCAST

"DEATH OF AN AMERICAN NAZI"

NSALP OPPOSES YET ANOTHER ATTEMPT BY MEDIA TO STEREOTYPE AMERICAN NATIONAL SOCIALISM



After viewing your 60 Minutes documentary "Murder of an American Nazi" I was immediately concerned with the negative connotations the audience would receive concerning all American National Socialists.

The clips that were shown were designed to be nothing but emotionally charged anti-national socialist propaganda and had more to do with a family in crisis than true National Socialism.

While it is true that there are any number of "groups" which parade around in 1930's vintage uniforms and holler "Sieg Heil", these groups do not nor could ever be truly National Socialist. These groups would never be accepted into orthodox National Socialist circles either now or most importantly in the past.

The National Socialist American Labor Party, active in over 30 Sates, is truly an orthodox National Socialist Party. We are American National Socialists, we are NOT "Nazis". We are an economics and issues based Party that stand up for our Folk.

The Party Members of the NSALP do not goose-step around shouting racial epithets for shock entertainment value. While the NSALP has racial positions these are far from the only aspect of our overall political plan. Of course, the media finds the "Hollywood version Nazis" much more interesting, and of more use for its devices, than true National Socialists. However, this discredits the many good men and women within the ranks of the NSALP and true American National Socialism.

In the spirit of fairness, the categorization of the subject organization and many other similar groups with true National Socialism is inaccurate regardless of the organization's misleading title. The NSALP is the standard bearer for orthodox National Socialism and carries that responsibility honorably and unapologetically for our Folk.

Richard Miller
Party Member
NSALP Chairman
National Socialist American Labor Party
WWW.NSALP.ORG
928 N. San Fernando Blvd., Suite J-143
Burbank, California
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by rextilleon September 28, 2011 2:12 PM EDT
Kid removed scum from the face of the earth. He is a tragic hero.
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by Letalittleloveinyourheart September 28, 2011 1:03 PM EDT
My heart goes out to the Grandmother peace be with you.
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by willjo1 September 27, 2011 11:39 PM EDT
I would like to read, hear, or see a news report of some United States politician involved with a hate group; now that would be the news of the day. However, that would be to good to come true.
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by willjo1 September 27, 2011 10:56 PM EDT
Well off affluent people don't join hate groups; instead they use uneducated and poor fools to do what they are to dignified to do themselves. However, there are still some well off affluent and middle class people who are haters. It is all about who controls the money.
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