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The Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomew I

August 8, 2010 5:00 PM

Patriarch Bartholomew, the leader of the Orthodox Christian Church, feels "crucified" living in Turkey under a government he says would like to see his nearly 2,000-year-old Patriarchate die out. Bob Simon reports.

Patriarch Bartholomew Feels "Crucified"
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by Eustathius September 1, 2011 1:57 PM EDT
This entire subject is a Farce. He does not represent all 300 Million "Orthodox" Christians. If you want to know the truth about what is going on in Orthodox, we have are own issues, the heresy of Ecumanism being NUMBER ONE, this article being a perfect example of where Ecumanism is leading us. Please see video on youtube about ecumanism (Greekorthodoxtv) for more info: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uv2svBG5OH8&feature=colike

Stath
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by queenofclubs July 30, 2011 11:42 PM EDT
This story started off on the wrong foot. First of all the Patriarach of Constantinople is NOT 2d to the Pope of the church of Rome. They are EQUALS! Orthodox Christianity is a conciliar religion and the heads of the national churches are equals, be they Patriarch of Constantinople, Jerusalem, Antioch, Alexandria and Rome. It was the RCC who thought they could be the boss of all the churches hence one of several reasons for the Great East-West Schism of 1054 AD.
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by angeljohnny April 22, 2011 3:51 AM EDT
There is a story told about two brothers who were feuding with one another for many years. Their parents divorced. The mother was Greek and the father Turkish. The father behaved in an abusive manner to his wife and likewise the mother to her husband. Spousal abuse comes in both physical and verbal form and applies both to men and to women.

One brother sided with the mother and the other with the father. To make matters worse, they lived next to each other, and the only buffer between their properties was a small stream.

One day, one of the brothers decided to purchase some lumber with the intention of erecting a 10 meter privacy fence. This strategy he reckoned, would effectively spare him from having to be reminded regularly of his brother. And so, he hired a carpenter to build the fence, and left for two weeks on a business trip, fully expecting the project to be completed upon his return. When he returned, instead of finding a fence he contracted with the carpenter to build, he found a bridge that provided easy access to both brothers' property.

Needless to say, this situation infuriated him, and he was about to phone the carpenter to inform him that he was facing a lawsuit, when he heard a knock on his front door. Putting the phone down, he opened the door and discovered his brother standing just a few feet away from him. This startled him, and threw him off balance, and he didn't know what to say. Before he could respond, his brother threw his arms around him, which functioned to thoroughly confuse him. His brother then stepped back, looked him directly in the eyes, and said, "I want to thank you."

"Thank me?..."

"Yes," he said, pointing to the bridge, "for what you did. For years now, I've been angry with you, and must confess that I've often wanted to move or put up a privacy fence so that I wouldn't have to look at you. When I noticed this bridge going up, well...at first I was ripping mad. This anger eventually gave way to some good memories that we once shared with one another, and before I knew it, I couldn't be angry anymore. So, today I'd like to ask you to forgive me."

These comments led to some mutual forgiveness, and inspired countless trips back and forth over this bridge. In fact, the trips were so frequent that the bridge eventually needed to be replaced.

Like the carpenter in the story, Christ is a bridge builder. He builds bridges between us and God, and between us and our neighbor. If we are followers of brotherly love we can accomplish these two objectives, with an emphasis on how God builds bridges between us and our neighbor.

By now, you may have already discerned that when two brothers, especially two brothers who read holy books, who claim the seed of Abraham, pray to the same God, who follow the same virtues of brotherly love, humility, kindness, forgiveness, patience and self-control as prescribed by God are combined and used together, distance that the ongoing brotherly conflict creates is more likely to be bridged. Because the truth is, life really is too short. May God richly bless his Greek and Turkish brothers and sisters.
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by angeljohnny April 22, 2011 3:49 AM EDT
There is a story told about two brothers who were feuding with one another for many years. Their parents divorced. The mother was Greek and the father Turkish. The father behaved in an abusive manner to his wife and likewise the mother to her husband. Spousal abuse comes in both physical and verbal form and applies both to men and to women.

One brother sided with the mother and the other with the father. To make matters worse, they lived next to each other, and the only buffer between their properties was a small stream.

One day, one of the brothers decided to purchase some lumber with the intention of erecting a 10 meter privacy fence. This strategy he reckoned, would effectively spare him from having to be reminded regularly of his brother. And so, he hired a carpenter to build the fence, and left for two weeks on a business trip, fully expecting the project to be completed upon his return. When he returned, instead of finding a fence he contracted with the carpenter to build, he found a bridge that provided easy access to both brothers' property.

Needless to say, this situation infuriated him, and he was about to phone the carpenter to inform him that he was facing a lawsuit, when he heard a knock on his front door. Putting the phone down, he opened the door and discovered his brother standing just a few feet away from him. This startled him, and threw him off balance, and he didn't know what to say. Before he could respond, his brother threw his arms around him, which functioned to thoroughly confuse him. His brother then stepped back, looked him directly in the eyes, and said, "I want to thank you."

"Thank me?..."

"Yes," he said, pointing to the bridge, "for what you did. For years now, I've been angry with you, and must confess that I've often wanted to move or put up a privacy fence so that I wouldn't have to look at you. When I noticed this bridge going up, well...at first I was ripping mad. This anger eventually gave way to some good memories that we once shared with one another, and before I knew it, I couldn't be angry anymore. So, today I'd like to ask you to forgive me."

These comments led to some mutual forgiveness, and inspired countless trips back and forth over this bridge. In fact, the trips were so frequent that the bridge eventually needed to be replaced.

Like the carpenter in the story, Christ is a bridge builder. He builds bridges between us and God, and between us and our neighbor. If we are followers of brotherly love we can accomplish these two objectives, with an emphasis on how God builds bridges between us and our neighbor.

By now, you may have already discerned that when two brothers, especially two brothers who read holy books, who claim the seed of Abraham, pray to the same God, who follow the same virtues of brotherly love, humility, kindness, forgiveness, patience and self-control as prescribed by God are combined and used together, distance that the ongoing brotherly conflict creates is more likely to be bridged. Because the truth is, life really is too short. May God richly bless his Greek and Turkish brothers and sisters.
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by vivnara April 13, 2011 1:10 PM EDT
I can't understand how Bob Simon could have made such a faux pas in his opening sentence by claiming that the Ecumenical Patriarch is only second to the Pope. According to the Greek Orthodox he is equal to the Pope. That was the principal reason for the schism way back in 1054.
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by EdithRob August 17, 2010 4:02 PM EDT
Without the participation of a Turkish government spokesperson, this was not a well rounded piece and not of the quality I would expect from 60 Minutes. Nevertheless, I cannot condone the marginalization in this day and age of any religion in Turkey or in particular the way that successive Turkish governments have squeezed the Orthodox Greeks. It speaks to a still immature and insecure body politic of Turkey and one hopes EU ascension requirements will make things right in due course.

In an ironic twist, as the Patriarch complains there are just 4000 Greek Orthodox remaining in Turkey my own grandmother, one of the 500,000 Greek Orthodox that remained in Turkey after the population exchanges (which by the way included sending the Turkish population of Greece to Turkey - it wasn't just a one way matter)was summarily excommunicated for marrying a secular, albeit Muslim Turk. I wonder how many other stories there are like that. In modern times, it reminds me of the question being debated in Israel over what/who constitutes a Jew and who gets to make that decision. Israel needs more Jews. Making it harder to be considered a bonafide Jew can't be helpful in the same way the Church's religious intolerance seventy years ago lost it one perhaps several Turkish Christians.
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by Asrares August 13, 2010 2:24 PM EDT
Just immagine a Christian country closing a madrasa... do you know what would happen? Protest, A fatwa, a demand for appology and all sorts of irrational reactions... Just thought you would like to know.
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by UnkleBuck134 August 12, 2010 8:56 AM EDT
Sloppy reporting. Check out the video at about the 11:02 mark. Imagine what would happen if they closed the College of Cardinals...
The college of cardinals is not a school. I found this reference on a message board and had to hear it for myself. This is why I have given up on the mainstream media. A bunch of sensationalist trying to sell a story...
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by lkcbs August 12, 2010 2:10 AM EDT
It's very ironic and hypocritical that Turkey has been pushing so hard for the rights of muslims in other countries (the prime minister's call for muslims to boycott Switzerland, the flotilla incidence in Gaza/ Israel and Turkish push in Africa and Europe where muslims are minority). This is a systematic plan to eliminate Christians out of Turkey, while making money out of the church's relics as tourist attractions. I don't understand why the West is not insisting on addressing this issue. The European Union: beware of what can happen if Turkey is addmitted to the EU. Thank you for bringing light in to this sad reality.
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by Fibeachbum451 August 10, 2010 11:41 AM EDT
I would like to respond to everyone who is using this article as a thread to bash the new Mosque that is planned to be put near ground zero.

I myself have been an American and an Orthodox Christian for my entire life and am outraged at how we are being treated in our religious homeland. That being said however, this strong opposition of the construction of a Mosque near ground zero is ridiculous and moreover wrong. From a Christian point of view, I think that this video if nothing else proves that there is absolutely no issue with this plan and anyone who opposes such a plan is hardly acting in the name of Christianity or any ideal that it supports. Jesus himself preached the golden rule, to treat others as you would like to be treated. Blocking the construction of a Mosque is no better than the people who shut down the seminary in Istanbul and oppress Orthodox Christians in their homeland. Just because the Muslims shut down our seminary and oppress our people does not give us the right or any Christian justification to oppress them back. The golden rule is given to us by Jesus for us to live by not to judge by because God is the only one who has the right to judge mankind. And that goes for any oppression of any other religion by Christians. Look into your hearts and ask yourself, what would Jesus do? Is there any place in the bible that calls for such hatred? Jesus himself did not condemn the Gentiles but rather called out to them to bring them into the light. That is what we should be focusing our energy on, not this hatred and oppression. I'm not saying we should take up a collection to support another religion, I am saying that it is not right and not Christian for us to condemn other religions as we so often do.

From an American point of view America is the land of the FREE, and always has been. That is how our country started and lately I think people are beginning to forget that in a time where National Security is so imperative. However I don?t think we should let fear override our ideals and morals. Our forefathers created our constitution on the ideals of a free nation where everyone has the freedom to Life Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness and I think we need to stick to these ideals. If we are not living free just and moral lives then we are not living and we will be judged either in this life or the next by God.

Everyone I beg you, please put aside your hatred. Do not be afraid because god is with us and everyone who seeks Him. Trust in the Lord and he will protect us. Now more than ever we need to stick to our morals and do what is right and what Jesus would have wanted us to do. Embrace one another whether Christian Muslim Atheist or anything else and spread the good news. Not all Muslims are terrorists and many are good people just like you and I who only need to be shown the light of god. Don't push them away but rather welcome them and show them the light just as Jesus did while preaching his ministry. Until we can put aside our hatred and act as Jesus told us to act, we are no better than the Muslims who oppress our patriarch in Istanbul and we are not fully living lives in Jesus Christ...

May the grace of god be with you and bless you
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