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Patented Genes

April 4, 2010 5:00 PM

Should companies be able to own human genes? Morley Safer examines the idea of biotech firms patenting genes for profit.

Should Firms Be Able To Own Your Genes?
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by spirit_of_the_dreamer August 23, 2011 10:17 PM EDT
Soooooooooooo my question for the day - If a Pharm Co can patent and legally control a gene - Why could I not file for a patent improvement for that gene as it exists, as it was produced, as it is even suitably, ever so slightly unique to my body and my body alone? :)-- Im just sayin... if you can do it with a gadget which is "improved" by a minor change... then that should be a valid argument concerning an individuals genes as they were created in there own body.....
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by Brelly5168 July 22, 2011 10:47 PM EDT
Can I sue for damages due to their product??? My insurance will not pay for the testing so I have to and if I do have the gene shouldn't they have to pay for the testing as well as my surgeries plus offset my pain and suffering? If my genetics is their product they need to pay for any damages since they can't exactly do a recall!
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by ah---clem April 16, 2010 9:27 PM EDT
damn! it sure took long enough for someone with some brains to post to this thread! if i had a gene that someone claimed ownership of, and that gene could make me sick, by the time my attorneys were finished with them, i'd own the freakin' company.

and ashley stevens' post which called jonas salk's comment disingenuous is about as disingenuous as it gets! the fact IS: he didn't try to patent it. speculation about why or his true intentions is just that, SPECULATION! there is an ongoing debate about whether the brca gene is patentable, but it didn't stop these sleazy bastards from trying. and in the first place, a vaccine is a far cry from a gene that someone is born with. a vaccine is in fact an artificial creation, and is not part of a living organism; something which has existed possibly longer than **** sapiens! comparing the two isn't like comparing apples to oranges, it's like comparing apples to artificial apple scented floor wax. who do YOU pimp for, ashley?
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by ashley_stevens10 April 15, 2010 10:08 PM EDT
Jonas Salk's "Could you patent the sun?" was incredibly disingenuous. The National Foundation for Infantile Paralysis (the predecessor to the March of Dimes) which had funded Salk's work had investigated patenting the vaccine. Their lawyers had decided it wasn't patentable. The key invention was made by John Enders of Children's Hospital in Boston -- the ability to grow the polio virus other than on human nerve cells. He got the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1954 for this and didn't apply for a patent. Salk took Enders' discovery and applied influenza vaccine technology to kill the polio virus to create his polio vaccine.

We will never know whether he would have applied for a patent if it had been patentable. I suspect he would.
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by iamjackalope April 11, 2010 5:28 AM EDT
Well if the Bio-Techs love their patents so much then like with every other thing one claims ownership over there is liability involved. If their gene is responsible for causing you harm sue them for the damages. Sorry sons a *******.
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by nonamebrickofcheese April 9, 2010 5:47 AM EDT
I don't believe that any lifeform, "man-made" or not should be patentable. Monsanto vs Shmeiser here in Canada comes to mind. Jurassic Park? This is an example of capitalism and intellectual property laws gone insane. Obligation to make monetary profit drives corporations to behave psychopathicaly as most would be diagnosed if they were treated as individuals, which is how they are classified by law. I don't agree with the idea of public bodies claiming ownership of life in this manner either.

Did you know that you can sing "Happy Birthday" in your home only because you have special permission to do so? I'd post a picture of a Mountie but that belongs to Disney.
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by btoman9 April 7, 2010 9:06 AM EDT
Sorry for the multiple posts! My browser wasn't showing the comment as posted. Embarrassing.
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by btoman9 April 7, 2010 9:04 AM EDT
Dear GeneVrij

Thanks for your reply and comment about how genes are "marked off" in a chromosome by promoters etc.

Two responses:

1) "Isolated" means isolated. You can't take a gene in someone's body and put it in a bacteria and use it to manufacture proteins. Isolated genes are useful for industry - "your genes" are are not useful for industry. They are different things.

part 2 in second comment...
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by btoman9 April 7, 2010 9:03 AM EDT
Dear GeneVrij

Thanks for your reply and comment about how genes are "marked off" in a chromosome by promoters etc.

Two responses:

1) "Isolated" means isolated. You can't take a gene in someone's body and put it in a bacteria and use it to manufacture proteins. Isolated genes are useful for industry - "your genes" are are not useful for industry. They are different things.

2) The patent office itself has said that patents on isolated genes do not apply to "your genes" - to genes in a human body. See this document: www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/notices/utilexmguide.pdf This is the Federal Register, where the patent office published comments and responses to its new (at that time, in 2001) comments on its guidelines for patent examiners. The new guidelines made it clear that "gene patents" were patentable subject matter and described how patent examiners should evaluate patent applications for genes.

In any case, people did object to the guidelines, and had fears that patent holders would try to enforce "gene patents" against individual people -- exactly the scary "red herring" that 60 Minutes report has waved around.

The document is long. The stuff I am talking about is on the second page, in "(2) Comment". That section runs from the first column to the third column on that page. Describing comments the patent office received, the document says: "These comments urge the USPTO not to issue patents for genes on the ground that genes are products of nature. Others state that naturally occurring DNAs are part of our heritage and are not inventions. Another comment expressed concern that a person whose body includes a patented gene could be guilty of patent infringement." As part of its response, the patent office said: "A patent on a gene covers the isolated and purified gene but does not cover the gene as it occurs in nature. Thus, the concern that a person whose body ??includes?? a patented gene could
infringe the patent is misfounded. The body does not contain the patented,isolated and purified gene because genes in the body are not in the patented, isolated and purified form." This text runs from the bottom of 2nd column to the 3rd column. I hope that clarifies things.
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by btoman9 April 7, 2010 9:02 AM EDT
Thanks for your reply and comment about how genes are "marked off" in a chromosome by promoters etc.

Two responses:

1) "Isolated" means isolated. You can't take a gene in someone's body and put it in a bacteria and use it to manufacture proteins. Isolated genes are useful for industry - "your genes" are are not useful for industry. They are different things.

2) The patent office itself has said that patents on isolated genes do not apply to "your genes" - to genes in a human body. See this document: www.uspto.gov/web/offices/com/sol/notices/utilexmguide.pdf This is the Federal Register, where the patent office published comments and responses to its new (at that time, in 2001) comments on its guidelines for patent examiners. The new guidelines made it clear that "gene patents" were patentable subject matter and described how patent examiners should evaluate patent applications for genes.

In any case, people did object to the guidelines, and had fears that patent holders would try to enforce "gene patents" against individual people -- exactly the scary "red herring" that 60 Minutes report has waved around.

The document is long. The stuff I am talking about is on the second page, in "(2) Comment". That section runs from the first column to the third column on that page. Describing comments the patent office received, the document says: "These comments urge the USPTO not to issue patents for genes on the ground that genes are products of nature. Others state that naturally occurring DNAs are part of our heritage and are not inventions. Another comment expressed concern that a person whose body includes a patented gene could be guilty of patent infringement." As part of its response, the patent office said: "A patent on a gene covers the isolated and purified gene but does not cover the gene as it occurs in nature. Thus, the concern that a person whose body ??includes?? a patented gene could
infringe the patent is misfounded. The body does not contain the patented,isolated and purified gene because genes in the body are not in the patented, isolated and purified form." This text runs from the bottom of 2nd column to the 3rd column. I hope that clarifies things.
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