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60 Minutes, 03.14.10

March 14, 2010 5:00 PM

Steve Kroft interviews Michael Lewis on the Wall Street meltdown; Also, Lesley Stahl profiles musical savant Derek Paravicini; Plus, Andy Rooney on the Postal Service.

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by arenaud333 March 28, 2010 8:52 PM EDT
i listened to the Steve Kroft piece on Michael Lewis' take on the financial crisis, and i have to say that i was flabbergasted by the utter inaccuracy of his numbers... $1.75trillion? how about $4,369,000,000,000,000$; that's the amount (nominal value at emission) of the toxic assets sitting on banks' account books in 2007. so, to begin with, imagine all that's been hidden & falls ouside the perimeter of the Feds purview...
the number above, which i cite as my own & can also be obtained through fairly straightforward and simple (well... for me, anyway) calculations, has been more or less confirmed
by the i.M.F., which put its own estimate at US$4.2trillion in collective losses for all the investment banks, insurance cos., & financial firms worldwide. i suppose the discrepancy arises from the fact that Lewis is looking only at American financial institutions
(which makes sense - $1.75trillion -, but overlooks the fact that European banks (most were banks, anyway) sustained greater losses than their across-the-pond brethren in the order of (no less than) a mind-boggling US$2.5 trillion; that's 2,500,000 x US$1million for those still paying attention...
i notice people have lost a sense of the order of magnitude of the amounts that we're talking about. so, in order to illutrate the scale of things, i'll just ask everyone to visualise the following: $100,000,000,000 (i.e. $100 billion) is a 180,000meter high stack of $1000-denominated bills; therefore, $4.2 trillion is a [42 x 112.5mi. =] 4,725 miles-high pile of thousand-dollars bills... now maybe you get a better appreciation of an estimate of the wealth that has vanished as a result of this collective (global) folly. for instance, in the thre (3) weeks that followed Lehman Brothers bankruptcy, $30,000 billion (or: $30 trillion) in collective wealth vanished from investors' portfolios & international exchanges globally.
p.s.: Lewis cites numbers such as $20 or 30 billion as the value in
CDSs (Credit Default Swaps) emitted by AiG, but remember that the Fed had to pump US$180 billion into AiG alone in order for it not to fail; and the global market for this single variety of derivatives called "swaps" stood at US$64 trillion in 2007, which is 1/10 (one tenth) of the size of the global financial economy as a whole in 2007 (i.e. S$650,000,000,000,000). now, if these numbers don't scare you
into a stupor & do not cause you to forget entirely any notion or scenario in which those banks that made the risky bets had been let to fail (with the resulting utter "financial meltdown", where every single asset class known to man gets knocked off its valuation foundations, translating into a [ballpark] 27-38% jobless-rate), i don't know what other argument could possibly move anyone to renounce once and for all this completely idiotic (albeit uninformed) notion of <<letting 'em just all go to he#$ and fail>>...
i thought visitors to the "60 minutes" site might want to know that to inform their judgement

alan s. renaud
Montreal, CANADA
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by bluntfacts March 19, 2010 11:35 AM EDT
The segment on Derek

Absolutely amazing.

As to Wall Street. It's a looting operation. To readers, try not to be looted too much.
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by cmegal March 17, 2010 11:26 AM EDT
I was a currency trader on the Chicago Mercantile Exchange starting in 1978. It was clear to us by 2006, that the record low interest rates initiated by Greenspan/Bush had enticed too much borrowing/residential + commercial building/debt and money supply, plus exotic CDOS and Swaps. BUT NO ONE WANTS TO STOP THE RISE IN HOME VALUES and Stock Market uptrend.

No one was complaining then -- now many are victims and blame everyone else. It's our own fault if we hung on and weren't aware and prudent.

(CMOs (Collateralized Mortgage Obligations) have been around since 1980s and Credit Swaps also have been used PRUDENTLY during 1980s and 1990s.)

You can't sustain that kind of housing boom and stock market rise; you need to pay attention.
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by talita-koomi March 15, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
contd.
feel like a walk on the windy day. The coming storm will happen because of a volatile mixture of dangerous elements. The sub-prime crisis is but one chemical in this recipe. Health-care is another, as is the increase of social secutity collectors as the baby-boomers retire, but the biggest and most dangerous one is the fact that this government is spending money it does not have, at rates it cannot recover. The only way it will be able to keep the country from spinning off into hyper-inflation sooner rather than later will be to enact substantial tax increases, which will hurt businesses that are already stretched too thin and thus increase unemployment, which leads to fewer people buying anything except the basics and lowers the amount in taxes coming into the government, which it needs in order to keep spending, bailing out places like Goldman Sachs and AIG, so they can keep giving their executives multi-million dollar bonuses for starting this mess with their greed. And so 'round and 'round we go! The hurricane is coming, and we do not have the skills our grandparents had when they weathered through the Great Depression. Do you know how to can food? Sew your own clothing? Milk a cow? Me neither! Lord help us! It's going to be a very bumpy ride. I still do have hope that something will be done-many things,actually, by many people- to avert this gloomy scenario, but.....is it even POSSIBLE to teach adults to be self-sarificial for the good of their country? To put aside selfishness and greed? I kind of doubt it. Peace.
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by talita-koomi March 15, 2010 2:07 PM EDT
The sub-prime crash is a complex mess; I am looking forward to reading Mr.Lewis' book in hope of better understanding it. One thing that IS obvious is that the under-lying cause of this financial calamity, along with the recent ponzi-schemes and other massive frauds we hear about so frequently, is profound greed. As evidenced by this and additional corruptions that were unheard of in this country couple generations ago, it is apparent that many have lost their sense of patriotism and making personal sacrifices for the well-being of our families, the companies we work for, and the country whose freedoms we take so for granted. Somewhere along this journey, the moral compass got tossed overboard. And far too many in positions of power and leadership are listening to advice from their subordinates who have changed the course of the country in order to pluck a ruck sack of cash from the sea, while failing to mention the enormous iceberg we are now lined up to hit. It seems that very few are being taught the most basic of moral values,"You shall not commit murder. You shall not steal. You shall not covet (envy) things that belong to your neighbor. Do not lie. Forgive one another. It is better to give than it is to receive. Honor your parents." Even atheists think these are good rules to live by! This country was founded, in part, to escape the greed of the ruling classes of England. And the truth remains, even though it is almost always misquoted because so fewbother to read the source: "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil." 1 Tim 6:10. Ithink anyone with eyes can see we are heading for a financial meltdown that will make this recession
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by tooolnut March 15, 2010 12:34 PM EDT
This Lipitor commercial is just about the most annoying one I've ever seen! And it just won't go away.

We live in a world where those with the dough believe they've earned it, even if it's tens of thousands of times more than the rest of us. But who's to say they're right or wrong but their cronies. It's a self-perpetutating malady.

It's not the money some people have a lot more of, it's the influence it can buy. The more money one has the more direction you give to other peoples' lives, not necessarily for the better. Rich people should be humbled by the fact that they owe it to the rest of us to have put them on a pedestal and they have an obligation to pay back to society in a good way.
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by gbresnahan March 15, 2010 8:55 AM EDT
I still don't understand this concept of "too big to fail." (other than bailing out their buddies)

These failing institutions are companies Americans have been waiting their whole lives to watch topple into dust. Finally David had the opportunity to slay Goliath but Uncle Sam intervened and didn't allow it to happen. Oh well, I will continue to take my business elsewhere. I will not support these criminal organizations.
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by gbresnahan March 15, 2010 8:16 AM EDT
I was heavily short and made a bunch of money in 2008. No whining here.
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by gt0 March 15, 2010 3:27 AM EDT
Would all of you like some cheese with that whine? The number one reason this fiasco happened is because the federal reserve note is not backed by anything. The bankers and financial institutions were trading with play money, and as the story showed, they didn't even know what they were doing. They were making money, so what did they care. Even an idiot like me could see that this was a bubble, and all bubbles eventually burst. The only regulation that really works is the free market. Government never regulates their fellow criminals. Instead of allowing these losers to fail due to their incompetence, they were rewarded. Besides, all you ignoramuses should have had at least 10-20% of your portfolio in a real store of wealth, like gold or silver, or land that can produce food for your family and neighbors. Instead you put your money in the hands of a bunch of greedy fools that couldn't care less about you. Most of you will probably make the same mistake again.
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by Overruled1 March 15, 2010 12:29 AM EDT
This is why government regulation paid by taxes and fees on these corporations is necessary and must be overseen with vigorous discrimination.
What has happened here is treason as it has hurt all of America, and rippled around the world.
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