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B-Rex

November 15, 2009 4:53 PM

Lesley Stahl meets the inspiration for the lead character in the classic film Jurassic Park and reports on how famed dinosaur hunter Jack Horner is shaking up the paleontology world.

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by dktrwu November 21, 2009 9:07 AM EST
An early scientist/philosopher,Aristotle--no Christian Creationist he--observed the celestial bodies and concluded a "Prime Mover". A latter-day scientist, I believe it was Sir Isaac Newton--a Christian Creationist he--kept a mechanical replica of our Solar System in his study. While there, a colleague scientist--no Christian Creationist he--entered and upon seeing the ingenious device move replicas of the earth and moon, and all the other planets, in their precise orbits around the sun, exclaimed, "Marvelous! Who made it?" Without looking up, Sir Isaac said, "Why, no one made it." Becoming angry, his colleague demanded to know at once the artist or sculptor. Sir Isaac responded, "When I ask you, the non believer, who made the REAL solar system, you profess there to be no God, and thus no Maker. Yet, you disbelieve this silly toy cannot make itself?" Now, in all our learned exchange about the "Big Bang", not one scientist to my knowledge has posited even a theory FROM WHENCE CAME the Big Ball of matter that supposedly went Bang umpty-billion years ago. The brilliance of our scientists is God-given, but where is their understanding? They want to crack the egg of matter without even addressing the chicken? God created evolution, thus, their mutual exclusivity is farcical. Evolution did not, cannot, and will not create life--that is God's business. I like this analogy: for one to believe that a single cell spontaneously created itself and then evolved into a human, would be like a tornado ravaging a junkyard, thereby producing a 747. Here is a question for you all:Were ancient people less intelligent than modern people? or, to be more precise: Are modern scientists smarter than, say, Aristotle, Paracelsus, and Newton--who were able to accept the Deity and still do actual science?
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by rushtonron November 20, 2009 3:25 PM EST
Science is scrutinized over and over while religion is under no obligation to prove/disprove what they claim. Religion has faith, science has testible, verifiable data. I don't know about the rest of you, but I'll stick with the paleontologist's explanation of what they are seeing. They will admit their limitations and usually confess if found wrong. Science is flexible by design.
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by truefit1 November 20, 2009 8:11 AM EST
Just how are you going to explain yourself to god.....you'll be meeting him soon.....AND THERE'S NOT ONE THING YOU CAN DO TO PREVENT IT....EXCEPT STAND THERE IN HORROR AS YOU SEE YOUR FATE !!!!!!!
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by ljakewillis November 20, 2009 7:15 AM EST
This study is finally showing everyone who blindly throws religion all the credit to God for our creation, a new and eye-opening realization that, GOD IS NOT REAL! The bible is a STORY! A collection of books trying to convince the world that God is the reason and answer to everything.

I am so excited to finally see someone really creating something that God supposedly created. If we make a dinosaur, isn't it safe to say we are acting GOD-LIKE, or better yet, becoming GOD-LIKE??

This planet was seeded by comet and asteroid impacts. Life was born from heat, water, the right elements and minerals, and the final ingredient...nuclear fusion. That's right, NUCLEAR FUSION. Asteroid and comet impacts on the earth created such intense heat that they created nuclear fusion, in return, mutating and joining elements together under just the right conditions to give this planet that very first spark of life in the form of a single celled organism, whom I like to call Bob #1. As time moves on, so does the growth and evolution of Bob. Bob has lots of other little Bob's and so on and so forth till we end up right here, strange looking creatures with long appendetures and funny faces and etc, etc, ect., in front of our computers reading something interesting.

I understand this is a very loose way of telling everyone that God didn't do any of this, evolution and time did and my opinion is going to hit hard to some people, but hey...the truth hurts and when the next ateroid or comet impact comes it's going to hurt alot more than the gut check I just gave you, but life will continue with or without God. Don't ever forget BOB #1!!

Love and Peace, Jake
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by Cjcanyons November 18, 2009 3:37 AM EST
Its amazing that when a discovery like this happens, all the creationists think they have proof for God or something. What they have discovered is another amazing non-sequitur. Even if dinosaurs were only 50,000 years old even, it surely wouldn't be proof even then. And remember creationists, you shouldn't WANT to find proof because proof would show truth and your "faith" is belief in the absence of proof. Realize this. If there was proof, everyone would analyse it and come to a rational deduction and believe. But Christianity wants you to have faith or thats what everyone ends up having to fall back on. And actually this story isn't that new asit was on Discovery quite awhile ago. Hell the Ardipithicine discovered on Discovering Ardi was recently aired after they had all their research and facts in a row after years as opposed to the Christian archaeologists who have to keep pretending to find parts of Noahs Ark only to be found out as liars and cheats who take railroad tracks and toast them in a kiln.
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by njoy-d-ride November 17, 2009 9:53 PM EST
Oops! I must of walked through the wrong door. Didn't expect to step right in the middle of an evolutionist .vs. creationist foodfight.
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by simon60min November 17, 2009 8:47 PM EST
enjoyed watching the segment on B-rex with my 9 year-old son, but could have done without the viagra promo
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by Pumpkinhead8 November 17, 2009 6:59 PM EST
In response to some of the comments left. If you are going to argue against this then you need to learn the difference from a theory and a hypothesis, evolution is not a religion, science is not a religion, there is no evidence found that proves/points a conclusion to/or says that T. rex must be younger and this supports a young earth (if you think so then point it out to me). The only reason the woman did not immediatley tell everyone about her discovery of tissue was because she was not sure if there was a problem witht the experiment, however, after many trials she could see that there was no problems and so she released her findings.
Scientists do not get tons of money from the government to go waste time. If you think they have a free ride let me remind you that no chuch, temple, or property(owned by a religious soceity) pays taxes in the US. scientists do help society, and any info not released is probably due to Einstien's regret of the atomic bomb (it was the church going religious ones who used it and tested it near towns). But why is it the scientists who should? Help yourself first.
the tissue evidence does not make the T. rex any younger because no scientist or scientific theory believed/said that this tissue could not exist in an 80myo specimen, only that it has not yet been found because some paleontologists like to keep the bones whole.
oh and ***- mine water off the moon?????? no scientist would ever try that- there is no water on the moon, its a chunk of the earths core- and why mine water when the planet you are on is mostly water? I don't know where you are finding your information about what scientists think, but you need to look somewhere else.
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by Houyhnhnms November 17, 2009 4:04 PM EST
Whether it is bio-film or blood vessels, it would be interesting to see the carbon dating results of this material.
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by RaBobAtk November 16, 2009 11:37 PM EST
This was reported on in Creation Magazine back in 1993. Also in 1997 and in 2005. There is just now a story about it in the mainstream media? My question is why now? Why not ten years ago? Did it take this long to come up with what some beleive as a logical reason for this. Also, in five years when Mr. Horner does not create a "Dino Chicken", will this same mainstream media call him out for his scientific blunder? Probably not. The media and evolutionists will come up with yet another spin to justify their true ignorance. The Bible is clear, "Professing to be wise they become fools". All this work just because they don't want to admit "In the beginning God...".
God Bless
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by mrballensnyder November 16, 2009 6:50 PM EST
It is quite apparent many of those who have commented have no idea about the world around them--especially basics of geology, cosmology, biology, etc. There was NO undeniable evidence that the earth is young in this report. WATCH AGAIN!
1. Presupposed?
You say that the age of the earth is presupposed. The age estimates on the earth and the universe are based on testable models of geology, radiometric dating, physics, cosmology, etc. It has been discovered since the 1700's that the earth is older than 6000-10,000 years based on discoveries by (you won?t believe this) clergymen and priests of that time prior to established evolutionary theory! If you want to talk "presupposed". It is creationism that presupposes the age of the earth based on unnecessary literal translations of Genesis in accordance with Bishop Ussher's faulty supposition of Biblical genealogies being complete. If you read your Bible you will find discrepancies in a number of genealogies. I am by no means claiming the Bible is mistaken, but rather pointing out that this is an established way of ancient cultures listing genealogies. It is well understood historically that ancient cultures did not concern themselves with complete genealogies - only the important ancestors to establish law, rights, and heritance. Study near eastern cultures and biblical text!
2. Soft Tissue in Fossilized Bones and DNA?
You are either purposely misleading the report of the discovery or are misunderstanding the data of the DNA in fossilized bones. THEY DID NOT BREAK OPEN A BONE AND SOFT TISSUE SPILLED OUT! They treated the FOSSILIZED MINERALS with a series of acids to help dissolve away the MINERALS to reveal the remaining structures of original soft tissue. Do some research on fossilization. Paleontologists for years had theorized that if any FOSSILIZED soft tissue was to be found it would be EXACTLY where they found it-in the large bones such as a FEMURS. ? AND NO WHERE in the report did they contradict a million year old sample.
3. Scientific Minded?
What is that? I thought that was using the scientific method to discover the answer-not starting out with an answer and trying to discover the method of proof.
Summary: Look, you can still believe in God and an old earth and evolution if you understand that Genesis was written for an ancient people who had a VERY different understanding of the world around them. If it wasn?t communicated in their ancient culture vernacular they wouldn?t understand the main gist of Genesis. Most creationists are placing a modern spin on an ancient understanding and messing up the context. The context of God putting it all into motion is still a valid point, just not in a literal interpretation.
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by Tarsis2 November 16, 2009 5:30 PM EST
Odd, things is that the defining factor of avian and birds is that they have hollow bones not the tissues found in the bone.

To say that his once ?controversial? theory is now widely ?accepted? because of some features found on both dinosaurs and birds is not scientific; it is his ?Opinion?.

Science would still not have classified dinosaurs or T-Rex with birds in our current grouping system due to some major structure differences but we are doing so with evolution?

I need much more evidence to believe that a bird is a dinosaur then to believe you found blood that is 50 million years old.

Both speculations are laughable but both are being taught as proven fact with no more then a ?theory? and some one?s opinion. There is no proof and shows like this are proving otherwise. As we still conduct scientific testing we are being bombarded with information and facts that are disproving our evolutionary theories and leaving us with nothing more then ?young earth?.

Someone claimed there was millions of evidences and I can tell you, I have researched these evidences and they are all either disprove theories or they are hoaxes being still taught as fact. ?peppered moth?, ?Piltdown man?, ?Nebraska man?, and ?Neanderthal?. I can list more issues with evolution and old earth then can be given as proof of it.

If we are to be scientific minded we have to keep all unproven theories out of our speculation and let the evidence take us to the actual answers.
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by mmmossman November 16, 2009 3:11 PM EST
ah yes! theories! ya gotta love em. i like the one about the shape of the earth. is it round and not flat?
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by infy11 November 16, 2009 2:58 PM EST
Wow. Just wow on these comments. What attack dogs? Oh, you mean the standard procedures of peer review where you must defend your research from alternative explanations? Did you read the papers where these attack dogs simply suggested other explanations? VICIOUS. Of course, maybe you're referring to the personal attacks...oh wait, those didn't happen either. Welcome to the standard peer review process, something I'd wager everyone in this thread has no experience with.

And I seriously laugh at all these people in this discussion who are saying that since these tissues cannot survive millions of years, because science said so, it must be a young earth, though science must be wrong on the hundreds of other evidences that point to an old earth.

As for the YEC's, I'll let Dr. Schweitzer speak for herself on them. This quote is from a previous article (and Dr. Schweizter is a Christian): ?They treat you really bad. They twist your words and they manipulate your data.?
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by borderhorizon November 16, 2009 1:14 PM EST
Did you notice the attack dogs that went after these folks after they published their data? What calls itself the "scientific community" today is really just a network of professional students that live off of government funding. This "community" invented the 4.5 billion year-old earth fable to try and support the time needed for all that "evolution" to occur. This same brain trust is now spending millions to mine water on the moon. The did do a great job of creating for themselves a niche. They now hold fancy titles and feed out of the public trough....and they'll bite the hand of anyone who threatens their status as "masters of reality" (...don't pay any attention to the man behind the curtain). The truth is that these clowns can't even explain the complexity of the single cell organisms....in many cases far more complex than multi-cellular. The findings of B-Rex clearly support a young earth history. No surprise to many of us who have know this for years. I think what is most pathetic here is that those that claim to weigh the facts in a search for truth knowingly suppress truth to protect their status.
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by spiritmix November 16, 2009 11:59 AM EST
It is very interesting that this report says nothing about the possibility of an incorrect age of the earth by some scientists. The only thing she says this might challenge is how long soft tissue can last. I would like to see them prove scientificly (not mythically) that soft tissue could survive over 500,000 years. The dogma of Evolution is alive and well. Schweitzer was scared to reveal her discovery not because of ridicule but because it goes against the religion of evolution and proves a young earth. So this begs the question of what other discoveries have scientists kept hidden because it goes against evolution?????
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by Tom4172 November 16, 2009 8:48 AM EST
How in the world can a news program justify not pressing on the obvious question which was if T.Rex was supposed to have gone extinct 65 MILLION YEARS ago then how is there blood vessels and soft tissue in this bone? You don't have to be a paleontologist to realize that given even just a short one million years there shouldn't have been any soft tissue let alone another 64 million after that...at what point do the number of years start to sound ridiculous given this soft tissue? A worm in the sun dries to a crisp in about two days. Shame on CBS and 60 minutes for not asking the hard questions like they used to. You can bet if the story was young Earth creationism the hard questions would have been asked though.
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by WandaKohn November 15, 2009 11:18 PM EST
Since when did macro evolution become fact? People hold onto their preconceived ideas about macro evolution and millions of years and make that the basis of all other understanding. I welcome new discoveries as they continue to point to a young earth and at the same time, I am disappointed by those (including the media) who hold to a "millions of years old earth" in spite of the evidence otherwise. Similarities in anatomical characteristics point to a common creator, not a common ancestor, or has the media not read Genesis chapter 1? or 1 Corinthians 15:38? I challenge you to study the side of creation...you will be amazed at what you learn!!! check out www.answersingenesis.org
Wamda Kohn, Leesburg, FL
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by nickolask123 November 15, 2009 11:08 PM EST
Wow! I was exited to see this undeniable evidence of a young earth. Congrats to that scientist for finding this remarkable tissue inside of that bone. I believe even greater advancements in understanding dinosaurs could be acheived if these scientists and CBS would keep an open mind in their analysis and conclusions. Instead of reformulating your tissue degeneration calculations why not reformulate your theory of the age of the earth? Are you concerned that it might point more toward the creator?
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by 20sijs09 November 15, 2009 11:05 PM EST
nothing is conclusive... but imagine this... critics are saying that it is contaminant.... why don't they do it themselves and find out? Also, the proteins that were sequence are similar to emu or ostrich... do you see those animals lying around, contaminating the bones?
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