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The Movie Pirates

November 1, 2009 5:00 PM

They are the bane of Hollywood: criminals who copy films and distribute them illegally on the Internet, costing Hollywood billions in lost revenue. Lesley Stahl reports.

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by sectorseveng November 24, 2009 1:11 PM EST
I fully support Digital Rights Management (DRM) and all efforts to prosecute pirates. Those who state that everything created by anyone else should be free, and should be stolen, would feel differently if they were on the receiving end of this theft.

My very small software company was driven out of business by cyber theft. It was so bad we started to spend more time trying to protect our products from theft, than we did in development. In the end so many sites were giving our software away for free (which they purchased with stolen credit card numbers), that we just shut everything down. Our three employees...Yes, that's correct. THREE! are now out looking for work.

The idea that everything should be free is the philosophy of a morally bankrupt segment of society. They believe that if they can gain access to your home, then whats inside belongs to them... or if you leave your keys in your car, then its their car.... or if you didn't protect your software strongly enough, then it belongs to them.

In reality, this kind of theft ONLY benefits large corporations that can afford to chase and prosecute the pirates. Small businesses like mine are just robbed out of existence.

Enjoy your Chinese software! Pirates will make certain that's all you have when the stealing is over.
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by YarHar November 23, 2009 12:01 AM EST
Please CBS, just read this article: http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20091101/1818186751.shtml
Honestly, I wish we had a mainstream news source that would go against this media giant.
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by michael.stollaire November 22, 2009 3:11 PM EST
Ms. Stahl,

Regarding:
60 Minutes, 11.01.09

November 1, 2009 5:00 PM

"Lesley Stahl on movie pirates, costing Hollywood billions in lost revenue."
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=5486993n&tag=cbsnewsMainColumnArea.2

I am not going to join the ranks of the people that are posting their misinformed beliefs about why all media content and the intellectual property of all creations should be free, as I simply do not take their side.

In fact, I am diametrically opposed, and want to stop illegal media content theft dead in its tracks, spending the last two (2) years formulating Cerberus Media Security, a patent-pending, trademarked technology, which I invented and created specifically for this purpose.

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by alexwalker November 20, 2009 3:20 AM EST
I would totally stop watching pirated movies if it cost 10$ a ticket at the theater, not to mention snack costs, last time it cost me 40$ for me and my girlfriend to go see a movie. I cant do that every time a good movie comes out. Drop the price at the theater and people will return in droves guaranteed. Thats a story for you, why is a coke 4.50? and why is a ticket 10$? they cut that price in half Id go all..... the time.
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by Brutus747 November 19, 2009 9:42 PM EST
I felt I had to create an account just to say that this is themost biased reporting I've ever seen from 60 Minutes. I used to respect this as a news organization. Shame on you. Piracy is a problem and you are not helping find a solution.
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by milo55 November 18, 2009 4:34 AM EST
Hollywood did had a golden age and were respected.. then the accountants took over.. and how many movies did they 'order' just to generate an income?.. they knew they were junk.. and the public was going to be ripped off.. did that stop them?.. hell no.. caveat emptor as the movie executive grins..

lets be honest.. who's really doing the stealing
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by spam06811 November 13, 2009 11:58 AM EST
Oh cry me a river!

Nice to see CBS whoring itself out to the Hollywood sewage industry.

Can anyone else getting their sources of revenue (aka jobs) shipped overseas get the gov't to start breaking down doors to recover losses? Of course not. But the music and movie industry pays all the right people.

Somehow Hollywood wants us to believe this phantom revenue would convert to actual dollars if piracy didn't exist. They also want us to believe they can put the money to better use then people not spending money on their crappy products.

If these worshipers of "the one" want to keep more of their money why can't they sympathize with taxpayers?
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by HelveticaNeue November 10, 2009 1:06 PM EST
Sumner Murray Redstone (born Sumner Murray Rothstein; May 27, 1923) is majority owner and Chairman of the Board of the National Amusements theater chain. Through National Amusements, Sumner Redstone and his family are majority owners of CBS Corporation, Viacom, and MTV Networks, BET, and movie production and distribution Paramount Pictures and DreamWorks movie studios, and are equal partners in MovieTickets.com.

From Wikipedia

Fact 1 : CBS is owned by the same people that own several Hollywood movie studios.

Fact 2 : The owners of CBS also own a national theater chain.

Without digging any deeper, it's obvious that the 60 minutes report is completely biased and not news worthy.

I would like to see 60 Minutes report on why the movie studios have not offered a movie download service much like iTunes. Though Sumner Redstone would prefer we go to the theatre to watch films...
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by milo55 November 9, 2009 11:47 PM EST
Gouging by the entertainment industry when they knew they could get away with it is 'reasonable'? .. Look how many junk movies are made every year just to make a buck.. and the music industry puts out albums with one or two good tracks and the rest is junk.. thats ok?.. The consumer has been ripped off for decades.. and only now its a problem when the consumer has a way to fight back... tsk tsk...
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by November 9, 2009 4:17 PM EST
I would have like a more balanced report.

1. I don't condone piracy. I used to pirate music because 15$ for 2 good songs and 13 crappy ones was excessive. Since I can download a song for 1$ I am happy, 2$ for the good songs and so, more money to buy from more artists I appreciate. Spread the wealth!

2. Movie industry needs to do the same as the music industry. With the internet their business model is dying and they do what they can to keep it alive, but unless they find a way to sell a product that will make it worth it instead of pirating, people will look to other avenues (like digital copy is a good step forward).

3. You forgot to tell that 6$ billion losses because of piracy was IF everyone that downloaded a movie bought it instead. In reality, how many of those people would have bought the movie if they could not download it? On the contrary I think that would not have bought it and now if they like the crappy version downloaded they may buy it.

4. Putting piracy in the same category as drug dealing is making sure people don't listen to the rest of your arguments! I agree it's the same as stealing and should be treated the same.
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by young7zero3 November 9, 2009 2:34 PM EST
I think that is wrong. People are loosing money because of others selfishness and ignorance. The Behind the senses crew gets affected by movie piracy. Yes I actually do care, because I want to be a singer and the music industry is having the same issue! Yes, you can hire people to patrol online criminals.
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by silent.pm November 5, 2009 3:24 PM EST
Another comment: If the movie tickets are reasonable enough, you pay double or triple when you buy popcorn combos! So i don't go there. I get my movies from .99 Video Hut and buy my pop/dog/coke at Ralph. I could stretch my legs and have someone bring me more beer. Besides, who needs to keep a $5.00 pirated movie? (LOSERS). I don't even buy genuine ones
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by silent.pm November 5, 2009 3:13 PM EST
There should be a way to invent a 'smokescreen' shield and install in front of the theater screen that will bounce off any attempt to take a picture of the movie. Also emit a light that will bounce back to the attempter.

TWO CENTS
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by sidhymes November 5, 2009 11:42 AM EST
I don't think many take issue with the elimination of counterfeiters. However, the studios take the position that BitTorret and similar P2P software programs are inherently bad and should be barred.

The reality is that many use P2P programs for perfectly legal purposes, including downloading software upgrades and moving large files. The MPAA is not a reputable source of information regarding the Internet.
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by Luigi_Corleone November 5, 2009 12:21 AM EST
We don't seem to be the only ones that think CBS was giving the MPAA a freebie:
http://www.tomsguide.com/us/editorial-60-minutes-mpaa,review-1449.html
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by lawllerskates November 4, 2009 8:09 PM EST
This report cracked me the hell up.

I have many friends in the non-glamorous side of the movie biz (writers, lighting technicians, PAs) and I understand that movie piracy is making it tough for those folks who really do depend on this industry for jobs. However, this report did itself no favors by interviewing Steven Soderbergh, whose QQing/wah-wahing depicted the workers of the film industry as another group of whiny overpaid elitists and served to elicit no sympathy for those who are actually losing their jobs. Sometimes it doesn't work to just grab the biggest name available and allow that person to drool all over your "investigation," 60 Minutes.

Also, "gee-whiz" technology? Why, those young whippersnappers! Look at them with their little pieces of movie moving across the screen! Gadzooks! Them and their brand-new, circa 2001 technology!

In the future, consider reporting on issues you're willing to investigate. Otherwise, the "I'm Old What Is Dis Technologies??" approach is not going to fly with the millions of people who know better.
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by gleek73 November 4, 2009 7:53 PM EST
What ever happened to 60 Minutes? Lesley Stahl acting like some brainless shill on a cheap infomercial (which this basically was) just lapping up the MPAA's drivel. "They brought the minicam into the theater in a DIAPER BAG?!? How awful!" It would be laughable if it wasn't so utterly sad.
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by marteejay November 4, 2009 7:29 PM EST
There is not much difference between shoplifting a DVD from Wal-Mart or illegally downloading a movie ? in both cases, the people in the supply chain that provided that movie don?t get paid. You can put any kind of spin on it you want to, but stealing is stealing. This isn?t about net neutrality or rich Hollywood fat cats, its about basic business ? the seller creates something and the buyer pays for it; anything else is common thievery.
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by LesWitt November 4, 2009 2:34 PM EST
I see nothing wrong with this story. In response to all the negative comments:

- Film (with the exception of very old misused film) is higher quality than DVD. Your bootlegged movie avi files are, let's face it, lower quality than DVD, even if they don't have people snoring in them. Steven Soderberg's claim that the people who bootleg movies are not looking for quality is reasonable.
- Nowhere in this story does anyone claim that pirating movies is as bad as the other activities that organized crime is involved with. The fact that movie piracy is now conducted by organized crime instead of just small-timers is relevant and interesting.
- The fact that the bootlegger brought his family to the theater is also worth reporting, because (a) he was able to better blend in, being there with a family and (b) his family acted as accomplices in his crime. The fact that his crime was not as bad as selling heroin does not make this detail irrelevant.
- Nowhere in this story does anyone say that people who download movies illegally in the US should be sued. In fact, just the opposite is said, by Steven Soderberg.
- Lesley Stahl is consistently great on this show.
- Overly strong copyright laws (which require permissions for derivative works and which last for too many years) do stifle creativity, but a lack of copyright laws would stifle creativity just as badly. Just because our copyright laws are a bit too strong it doesn't mean you should pirate copyrighted works.
- Nowhere in this story does anyone imply that bootleggers make money from BitTorrent downloads. In fact, it's made pretty clear that its a separate issue, by the wording, ?Even more THAN organized crime, it's the internet that has Hollywood's hair on fire.? (emphasis mine) The only reason that point was confusing at all was that one of the bootleggers, Herardo Ariano, had in fact been both selling DVDs and uploading the movies to the internet. I don't know why he was doing that, but I can't blame ?60 Minutes? for reporting that confusing detail.
- lol at you railing against Hollywood's ?blasphemes?
- Steven Soderberg's claim that it's the non-A-listers who are being hurt by bootlegging is entirely reasonable. If the entire industry is hurt by it, then that includes those who are not making enough money that they can afford to make less or to not work. Like gaffers.
- Steven Soderberg's claim that if movie studios are making less money they'd be less likely to fund risky projects like ?The Matrix? seems pretty reasonable too.
- Nowhere in this story does anyone say that BitTorrent or filesharing should be illegal.

Did I miss anything?
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by MeBubbleHead November 4, 2009 1:00 PM EST
COPYRIGHT LAWS CAUSE INFINITE EXPONENTIAL DECAY TO THE NTH POWER. A 100 NOTE MELODY HAS THE POTENTIAL TO CREATE A MILLION PLUS PERMUTATIONS. SOME OF THOSE PERMUTATIONS ARE BETTER ART THAN THE ORIGINAL. IMAGINE IF THE SOLFA SCALE WAS COPYRIGHTED, DO,RE,ME,FA,SO,LA, TI, DO, ANYBODY THAT CREATED A SONG USING ANY COMBINATION OF THE SCALE WOULD BE INFRINGERS. DOE A DEER, THE DO,RE, ME SONG WOULD BE PROHIBITED BY COPYRIGHT. MASS PRODUCTION OF ART AND MUSIC HAS MADE COPYRIGHT A DINOSAUR. WITH COMPUTERS WE CAN CREATE MILLIONS OF PIECES OF MUSIC AND ART INSTANTLY AND HAVE IT SHIPPED TO YOUR DOORSTEP OVERNIGHT.
THERE IS HOPE FOR YOU ARTISTS STILL. YOU CAN MAKE MONEY WITHOUT GOVERNMENT PROTECTION. MANUFACTURING AND DISTRIBUTION WILL REPLACE COPYRIGHT AND PROBABLY MAKE YOU MORE MONEY.
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