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Rooney On Health Care

October 25, 2009 5:00 PM

Andy Rooney weighs in on the health care debate.

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by SAFETYHOOD November 14, 2009 8:40 PM EST
Here is the reality - I am an American Citizen living in Guangzhou China now for the past 6 years and at 59 years of age will retire here rather anywhere close to the USA. Recently, I went in ( 2007 ) for Kidney Surgery here in China at the People Hospital - government run facility - I had MRI's - CT Scans - B&W & Color Ultrasounds - X-rays - I had the works so to speak - Had a 3 hour surgery using micro technology and the surgery was a success - stayed in a VIP Room so my Wife ( also Chinese ) could be there with me caring for me. Nurses were in every hour or even 30 minutes checking o9n me. I had 5 I V's for the first 3 days - 3 I V's for the next 6 days and with all of my meals - medicine and oh by the way I had to pay to park my car at the hospital as parking is at a premium. Wel when I had to pay the Bill to leave the Hospital I was amazed - Oh Yes ! I had No Insurance - NONE! and My Bill came to US$1,500.00 - that's right ONLY US$1,500.00 The equipment they used is exactly the same as in the USA and the rest of the World - Just yesterday My step-daughter ( 13 years of age ) went into the Hospital for an H1N1 Shot and 3 other types of medicine for her flu and fever - With the Shot - and the Medicine and the Doctors visit - the total bill came to be less than US$6.00. Get a Life USA - The System is broken and unless the Government takes total control of the system - it will remain broken and Americans will suffer.
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by Skeetrap November 10, 2009 4:28 PM EST
I saw the 60 Minutes segment on Medacaid Fraud.

Health Care Fraud, Waste and Abuse is out of control. The Government promotes a pay and chase model that does not work.


You should consider reporting on the Health Care Fraud, Waste and Abuse solution being championed by the Government?s prestigious Oak Ridge National Laboratory, in Oak Ridge Tenn. Someone needs to see what these folks are promoting.


Love the show.
Tom Basile
Gaithersburg, MD
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by Quinona November 8, 2009 10:38 PM EST
As a pharmacist in a not-profit hospital I found myself crediting a patient's account for $736.00 for a unused inhaler that costs the company $65.00 to purchase from the wholesaler.

We used to receive an annual Red Book listing average wholesale drug prices and manufacturer suggested retail prices. When precedents for keeping monopolies in check were lifted, most businesses joined 'buying groups' offering group discount pricing depending on the organizations' drug usage patterns.

Other factors that promote milking the system include obvious incentives to artificially increase the bills for those not paying cash, such as Medicare contract sweetheart deals with drug manufacturers available for reimbursement to facilities that deal with a lot of patients using Medicare benefits to State financial incentives with Medicaid.

Hospitals are required to not turn any patient away based on financial status, so we see the mother on welfare with a risky pregnancy yet again the fifth child by a different father, or a woman to deliver in her last week who's never seen anyone for prenatal care and miscarriage is threatened, and then there's the young mother on Welfare or Medicaid with a leg cancer that refuses to use birth control so in two years after 4 rounds of chemotherapy and radiation picked up the State and other resources, her unplanned pregnancy results in birth of a child with multiple handicaps and congenital birth defects whose care ultimately will be covered by Welfare from Medicaid, or the pediatric patient who doesn't have any form of health insurance that is taken to the Emergency Room triage for a respiratory ailment requiring admission as an in-patient and treatment for pneumonia, and whose bills for hospital equipment, room, labs, tests, respiratory evaluation, monitoring and treatment, never mind the diagnostician and drugs, will not be paid by the patient, but by State Medicaid funds for reimbursement to the hospital at a fraction of the charges for other patients with insurance. It was explained to me when I started my career that a lot of the time, pharmacy provides a tangible evidence of care and treatment, and though its price was nominal it could be flexed a bit based on what Medicare would pay for it. Depending on the practice, physicians may or may not receive a fair compensation for what they do, and what their business needs to stay afloat. We've long heard about the exhorbitant costs of doing business as physician from supportive personnel in the practice, liability insurance, etc.

Ultimately, it starts out with inflated costs to cover for uninsured expenses (patients without insurance), to inflating prices, to fuel inflated expectations. Business monopolies in drug manufacturing, pharmacy, health care benefit management organizations, and the financial strength of health industry currency--involvement in ubiquitous health insurance policies. Wal-mart can get away with undercutting drug costs only so long before it forces other drugstore chains out of business, just because they have the capability from their vast resources to do business and purchase drugs at lower rates than other drug stores. Many independent pharmacies quietly folded up and went out of business when despite financial incentives for patients with Medicare Part D benefit to shop at a Mom-n-Pop, the independent could not run based on the piddling reimbursement that Medicare could get away with paying the bills.

This convolution only becomes more entangled and snarled in discussion of any of the aspects of the industry. That is why as a pharmacist, I'm inclined to throw the whole lot in the fire and start over with suggesting reform that in essence evens out costs so that patients are not almost randomly, and unpredictably gouged. As a licensed healthcare professional going back for additional schooling to broaden scope of practice, I also don't feel really glad knowing my work efforts don't translate into added benefit. Pharmacists graduating nowadays are tens of thousands of dollars in debt, It's irritating to know my wage as a more experienced pharmacist is not commensurate with the untried new grad because they are still paying off the college loans and debt.
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by OlatheRuf November 6, 2009 11:11 AM EST
Perhaps instead of the overhauling the health care industry we should overhaul the journalism industry to reduce the incidence of irresponsible and inaccurate blanket generalizations and indictments such as Mr. Rooney's assertion that "everyone cheats" including presumably all "companies, hospitals patients, doctors" etc. in his piece on health care.

But then, maybe we should expect nothing less from the left wing liberal media including Andy Rooney and 60 Minutes.

Oh the Hypocrisy!!
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by averal November 4, 2009 10:57 PM EST
I thought Mr. Rooney's comments were valid and to the point. I see a great many objecting to his showing his bill, citing the difference between what is charged and what is paid. Actually that is another reason for change. The system has become so convoluted that nobody really knows what the value of anything is anymore.

I have seen it reported that the same exact procedure (colonoscopy) in the same exact hospital ranges anywhere from $450.00 to nearly $5,000 depending on what the insurance is. This makes no sense. Just for fun, try calling your hospital to see what a colonoscopy costs? Good luck.
How can any business exist that won't disclose or justify their prices?
Having a doctor come in and making small talk should not be a billable event. Happens all the time. (Sometimes the doctors charge for the visit and don't even come in the door). How is this justified? Mr. Rooney's point was that the system is overpriced and does not make sense. I believe he is correct in that assessment. Instead of objecting to his methods, why not see what needs to be done to correct the problems he and others have pointed out? We need to admit the problems exist before they can be addressed.
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by charcot1 October 31, 2009 1:15 PM EDT
The reason why we are 50th in life-care expectancy is because we have a lot of uninsured patients who obviously drag the life-expectancy down. But believe me if you take out these uninsured patients in the survey our life-expectancy would be high up there. Believe me, you do not want to go to England or Canada if you get cancer.
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by charcot1 October 31, 2009 1:09 PM EDT
your comment is irresponsible. Most insurances do not pay the whole amount billed or often times deny payment. That is why hospitals overcharge because they know they would not be paid for the whole amount. Doctors usually review the chart before going into the room and you did not account for that. You should thank the doctor that he did not examine you and therefore did not spread germs.Doctors have to pass on to patients and insurances the money they have to pay for malpractice insurance.Doctors depending on specialty may have to pay up to $300,000 a year in malpractice insurance and with the current financial crisis are seeing a lot of uninsured for free. Medicare only pays $10 per visit and they could decline payments for services as they wish. You are the one cheating by receiving millions of dollars just by badmouthing other people. If your salary is lower then goods would be cheaper because less money goes to advertisement fees. Americans are getting smart. They don't let their children go to medical school and just invite foreign educated doctor to practice here. They are smart enough to know that the problems of becoming a doctor are not worth it and they could earn more money by becoming a CEO, stockbroker or a journalist like you. You are overstaying in your job and should let other journalists take your job and share the pie. If not for the doctors who are taking care of you now, you would be long dead.
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by rleshner October 29, 2009 10:59 PM EDT
Andy Rooney's comments concerning health care have confirmed my opinion of people who don't deliver health care telling physicians how to do so. The comment concerning the physician was unfair because we have no idea what you medical problem was and what type of physician was consulted to see you. Say it had been a psychiatrist. Would you really have wanted the psychiatrist to touch you? I also found your life expectancy comment interesting. If we are over 50th in life expectancy around the world, would you really travel to the first 50 countries for better medical care than here. Twenty percent of Canadians seem to find their way here. I dislike people who paint a profession with a broad brush. Like those old journalists who drink too much, eat fatty foods, don't exercise, and present information out of context. The kind who are self righteous and arrogant. It's our professionalism that fosters a duty to keep miserable people alive.
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by Virgil-1 October 29, 2009 5:08 PM EDT
We should call it the Health Industry and not the Health Care Industry.Why?Because no one in this industry business cares.
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by Pedro_wet_back October 29, 2009 3:48 PM EDT
For the most part, I have nothing against the doctors; they are just enforcing the direction of the HMO they work for. They would not bite the hand that feeds them. The problem is that our health industry is just that, an industry. And like all industries, they just want to make more money every day or somebody in their chain of command will get fired. They do that by selecting their customers and dropping those that are no longer profitable. I am glad Rooney is putting the alcohol roght on wound, its about time somebody did it.
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