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Financial WMDs

August 30, 2009 4:35 PM

Steve Kroft examines the complicated financial instruments known as credit default swaps and the central role they are playing in the unfolding economic crisis.

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by Intrepid_Iconoclast September 29, 2009 9:50 AM EDT
Here is the vote record from the house. Only 4 voted against it, one being Ron Paul.

http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2000-540

Oh, and DelRay21, government mandates to make loans to unqualified people were nullified when the insurance instrument was created, thus turning every bank on every street corner into a defacto Fannie and Freddie. The government mandate ceased to be a mandate after that point. What the government mandated now became a profit center of its own, to be chased after by the banks. Fannie and Freddie created 20% of the "Fannie and Freddie problem", the banks hustling the unqualified borrower, essentially paying prople to buy houses, created the other 80%. You need to get over the Barney Frank connection. It was only 20% of the housing problem. And still, the housing problem didn't create the Wall St problem, Wall St did that themselves, with all the side betting.
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by edward1011 September 28, 2009 4:44 PM EDT
I hope some of those bankers go to jail.
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by MindLift September 14, 2009 12:13 AM EDT
A trickle of truth emerges. CBS, Please keep reporting on this story and work harder to get MORE TRUTH about the corrupt monetary system. The secrecy and lies must end, and the media MUST reveal this truth as fast as possible. Throw off the shackles of your slave masters and fulfill your purpose: REVEAL THE TRUTH.
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by mackendw September 11, 2009 9:24 AM EDT
So, there presumably was a significant fee associated with selling these unregulated ticking time bombs which the wall street houses collected and which resulted in large bonuses being paid out to said traders. Now, with these contracts being suspended and not honored (RE: china giving the proverbial middle finger salute), will these bonuses be recinded and paid back I wonder? How about returning those billion dollar windfall payouts mr hedge fund manager(s) as your ill gotten gains have resulted in catastrophe.

And, I'm wondering if any of those involved in passing this legislation have profited in any way from it? How about digging into this a big Steve...in the interest of full disclosure...
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by megawavez September 9, 2009 12:46 PM EDT
Just let them go bankrupt and prosecute those who actively engaged in fraud.
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by delray21 September 4, 2009 1:28 PM EDT
Mike60min - fraud is fraud. Everyone needs to recognize that there is plenty of blame to go around. I agree there are some overpaid execs on wall st, but there aren't any billionaires simply because of the CDS market. These businesses were only a portion of the overall revenue of even the largest investment banks. In your example the CEO presumably made a profit by exercising his options because the stock price of the company went up. Any retail investor who owned the company stock or even call options (which anyone can buy) would also benefit. Usually those executives must wait 5 years or more to exercise those options. If the company doesn't perform well (ie the stock price goes down) his options would be worth significantly less. I would argue that running a large and complex company like State Street or Boeing or Goldman Sachs and making them profitable would qualify as earning it.

Your ability to get a car loan, a small business loan, school loans for your kids, a mortgage have been helped by the securitization market and derivatives.
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by redknight13 September 4, 2009 10:03 AM EDT
OK, guys. I have figured out the Credit Default Swap scam.
I own a race horse that has a history of winning.
Just before the big race, I whack the horse in the leg, so he cannot win.
I loan the unsuspecting jockey $100,000 to buy the race horse. I know that the horse cannot win and I know that the jockey cannot make the horse payment unless he wins.
I bank the cash from the jockey, and sell the loan to the taxpayer.
The terms of the loan quickly become common knowledge to the spectators.
As the horse and jockey move to the gate, I buy a Credit Default Swap betting that the jockey will default on the loan, because I know that the horse cannot win.
The CDS costs me 1% of the loan value or $1,000.
As the horse limps to the gate, it is clear to 1,000 spectators in the stands that the horse cannot win, so they also buy CDS?s betting that the jockey will default on his debt.
Of course, the jockey owes $100,000, so he has to run the race and hope for the best.
The jockey loses the race and defaults on the $100,000 horse loan.
The seller of the CDS pays me the $100,000 for the loss which he underwrote.
So, I ?win? $200,000: $100,000 from the sale of the horse and $100,000 from my CDS
However, the thousand spectators also bought CDS?s betting that the horse would lose and that the jockey would default on the $100,000 horse-debt.
Moreover, one of the spectators called a wealthy friend, in a foreign country, who buys 1,000 CDS?s for himself, betting that the horse will lose.
The taxpayers have the jockey?s bad loan for $100,000 and they must dispose of the horse - guess where?
The CDS seller goes broke because 1,000 spectators and one wealthy overseas ?winner? make a total of two-thousand $100,000 claims because a single horse lost a race.
The bettors clamor for the government to make the seller?s CDS?s good.
The government bails outs the seller for $200,000,000 of taxpayer money.
Here is the big catch: because the CDS sellers are unregulated there may be thousands of CDS?s yet outstanding.
How is this different than a real horse race?
A real gambler would not accept the terrible odds that Congress gave the taxpayers.
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by lane4411 September 1, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
A Couple have touched on this, bears repeating:

* Greenspan responsible for not regulating the banks(underwriting,high risk loans, inflated appraisals, etc);

*Phil Gramm, and his charming wife Wendy should do jail time-Research Phil Gramm and his charming insider trading wife Wendy, who was on the BoD of Enron.

60 Minutes, should follow up on this charming couple, will make you choke.

Odd how Warren Buffett realized the impending disaster, while Gramm and Congress stood by and did nothing.

Greenspan, Gramm are both academics and are clueless in a non-academic environment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCxty7wOWvI
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by IScientia September 1, 2009 1:31 PM EDT
It is refreshing to see that news network, politicians, and the president are finally beginning to understand the complexity of the financial meltdown. I sent an analysis of the meltdown to all the major networks, national talk show host, my elected representatives, and both presidential candidates Obama and McCann 7 hours after Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Fed Chairman Ben Bernanke meet with key legislators to propose a $700 billion emergency bailout September 18, 2008.

My one page learn all chart and proposals can be studied at: Iudicium Scientia (Decision Knowledge) http://www.iscientiausa.com/Figures_Links.html

http://www.iscientiausa.com/Home_Page.php#Partial_List_the_bailout_must_have

I suppose it is better late than never, but as a nation, we are sure slow to grasp things.

Sincerely,

Robert A. Jasso, President, Iudicium Scientia
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by bigjimjames August 31, 2009 10:54 PM EDT
See also "The Reckoning - Taking Hard Look at a Greenspan Legacy" NY TIMES, Peter S. Goodman October 8, 2008
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by missingtruth August 31, 2009 10:22 PM EDT
Overall your article was good, but it did not tell the truth with regard to how much money AIG has been given. The newspiece stated that $180 billion was given to AIG when the truth is $2 trillion has been given to AIG and you can find this at the St. Louis Fed research website. http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/graph/?chart_type=bar&s[1][id]=WAIG
I wish the press would report that truth to the people.
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by antigambler August 31, 2009 10:04 PM EDT
Several commentaters seem to have missed the fact that the bill to allow unregulated credit default swaps passed UNANIMOUSLY at the last minute before Congress adjourned and with NO DISCUSSION. How can that happen? It reminds me of how Illinois runs its government, which is a national laughingstock. Illinois politicians had their hands in this mess, also.


From Wikipedia:

The "Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000" (H.R. 5660) was introduced in the House on Dec. 14, 2000 by Rep. Thomas W. Ewing (R-IL) and cosponsored by Rep. Thomas J. Bliley, Jr. (R-VA) Rep. Larry Combest (R-TX) Rep. John J. LaFalce (D-NY) Rep. Jim Leach (R-IA) and never debated in the House.[2]

The companion bill (S.3283) was introduced in the Senate on Dec. 15th, 2000 (The last day before Christmas holiday) by Sen. Richard Lugar (R-IN) and cosponsored by Sen. Peter Fitzgerald (R-IL) Sen. Phil Gramm (R-TX) Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-NE) Sen. Thomas Harkin (D-IA) Sen. Tim Johnson (D-SD) and never debated in the Senate.

"Given the above-stated chronology, it would appear that the House and Senate versions of the bill were introduced just prior to the Christmas holiday in December of 2000, following George W Bush''s (first) election (in November of 2000), while then-President Clinton was serving out his final days as President. The bill was never debated by the House or Senate. The bill by-passed the substantive policy committees in both the House and the Senate so that there were neither hearings nor opportunities for recorded committee votes. In substance, it appears that the leadership of the Republican-controlled Senate and House incorporated the deregulation of credit default swaps into an omnibus budget bill (without hearings or recorded votes)at a time when the outgoing president was in no position to veto anything."---commentary following the piece.
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by BigSur16 August 31, 2009 9:38 PM EDT
AS ALL OF THESE COMMENTS INDICATE, THERE IS A NEED TO DO A FOLLOW-UP STORY ON THIS ASAP. YOU SHOULD COVER WHO IN CONGRESS DROVE THIS LAW THROUGH AND THE OTHER ISSUES THAT HAVE BEEN RAISED BY THE VIEWERS IN THE COMMENTS ABOVE.

CAN WE GET SOMEONE TO TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR THIS MESS?
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by godi70 August 31, 2009 8:50 PM EDT
I am a delinquent because I cannot be pay 18,000.00 dollars. My wife lost her job, and I am over 70. And these people can steal millions and are happy with more money without a moral earning. Well, where is this GOD that so much time we are calling and pledge for help? I am not a buglar but I am handle like one because I cannot have a work because over 70. Mi wife equal problem. And some prominent Americans can steal every cent that they have and nothing happen. I believe every buglar in America is a saint before this mafiose Americans in wall street. M...F...
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by redknight13 August 31, 2009 5:17 PM EDT
Are you saying that taxpayer bailout money is paying off CDS's (credit default swaps)? If so, maybe we should have let the companies go bankrupt and wiped out that debt?
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by marsland1900 August 31, 2009 3:14 PM EDT
Thank you for airing the Financial WMD's story, CDS's, derivatives, illegal
side betting and more,complete lack of securities regulation, are just one
more confirmation why members of Congress, the President, the Feds, must not
be allowed control of our Nation's health care program. Social Security,
Medicare, Medicaid are open examples of how they promise plans to get it
passed then continuously make changes to further downgrade any value we might have hoped to derive from the program, which was forced upon us in the first place. Also,the proposed tax plan to help pay for it is totally
unacceptable.
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by trymar August 31, 2009 1:06 PM EDT
Great story on the Financial WMDs, but who were the elected officials who wrote the change in the law and who influenced them? I realize Mr. Greenspan and others supported the change but not to mention where the change came from was a serious oversite. An interview with any of the elected officials that wrote the change would have be much more enlightening. 60 minutes had a perfect opportunity to shed light on how elected officials pass laws and never take responsibility when the enforcement of the new legislation goes badly.
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by mamacat18 August 31, 2009 12:50 PM EDT
This is not the "free" market; this is not capitalism; this is unadulterated GREED.
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by delray21 August 31, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
I can completely understand how viewers would be upset after watching the Financial WMDs segment last night. The story, however, is being told by people who don't understand how that market works, and are misrepresenting the causes of the crisis. I worked as a trader in the "CDS market" at at now defunct bank. While there were many people who used default swaps for speculative purposes, a primary application for the product was for hedging and risk transfer. In essence, buying insurance for exposures they had to a company or to a specific investment. Say a pension fund owned 50mm worth of 10yr GM bonds, they would be able to buy protection on GM through a CDS contract for 10yrs and pay a premium for that protection. When GM went bankrupt they protected their investment to GM (and by extension people's pension accounts). Banks routinely required collateral from the counterparties that they traded CDS contracts with. As the daily value of a CDS contract fluctuated more collateral would be required. CDS trading did not cause Lehman nor Bear Stearns to fail. AIG ran into trouble because they didn't have enough collateral to post when the market values of their portfolios (tied to US mortgages)dropped significantly.

That brings us to the real cause of the crisis. While the CDS market was obviously a component in this debacle, widespread fraud in mortgage lending is the fundamental issue. Millions of Americans have benefited from the availability of credit. Mortgage securitization and products like CDOs made this possible by allowing banks to sell their mortgage portfolios and use the money to make new loans. The ease of credit allowed people to buy homes, to take vacations, buy new cars, add swimming pools, and consolidate credit card debt. No money down and no documentation loans allowed people to buy several properties and flip them. The argument that wall st was the sole beneficiary of this crisis is just not factual. When housing prices stopped climbing and as adjustable rates increased, people started defaulting on their loans. Regulation of the mortgage lending industry should be a top priority of Congress. Don't forget it was Congress (Barney Frank and others) that required Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to buy billions in mortgages in an effort to provide every American, especially lower income Americans an opportunity to be a home owner. In previous years they simply would not have qualified. You can see how mortgage originators like Countrywide (and many others) would be happy to make loans, lower the standards for applicants, require no income verification etc, when they knew that they could quickly turn around and sell them to Fannie Mae. These pools of mortgages were bundled and sold as securities around the world to investors.
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by sdoubilet August 31, 2009 12:40 AM EDT
Your story about Financial WMDs certainly educated me further about the unlikely -- and VERY unlikable --aspects of "Casino Capitalism," but I was waiting for a further question by your commentator: WHAT regulations have now been put in place (or are about to be put into place) to curb the excesses that have been permitted to occur over the past nine years? I was sorely disappointed by what seemed like a lack of nerve.
Susan Doubilet
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