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Amazon Crude

May 4, 2009 4:09 AM

Ecuadorians are suing oil giant Chevron, the owner of Texaco, because they say oil drilling in the Amazon jungle by Texaco polluted their fragile environment. Scott Pelley reports.

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by -tataescudero- September 1, 2009 1:23 PM EDT
Call it what you want, and research what you want. The real truth is that if Texaco would have never entered Ecuadro we would be 50 years behind (50 more than we already are). And in the end it does not matter who did what, because they are still doing it; and are trying to find an scape goat (Texaco) to solve all their problmes give them money and take the fall.

But more important is to find who is paying for the proces, the lawers, the transport, etc. Surelly it is not the indiands, or the Goverment.
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by -tataescudero- September 1, 2009 1:20 PM EDT
Call it what you want, and research what you want. The real truth is that if Texaco would have never entered Ecuadro we would be 50 years behind (50 more than we already are). And in the end it does not matter who did what, because they are still doing it; and are trying to find an scape goat (Texaco) to solve all their problmes give them money and take the fall.

But more important is to find who is paying for the proces, the lawers, the transport, etc. Surelly it is not the indiands, or the Goverment.
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by Nthedoghouse May 7, 2009 1:43 PM EDT
Yeah Paul, the 60 minute video does show what PetroEcuador is doing though they kind of gloss over that point. Are you suggesting that they aren't the major polluters? Are you suggesting that the crude in the river shown in the video is from Texaco? Why do you put so much effort in who operated 20 years ago when the real story is what is taking place today. Are you in someway connected to this suit? Why aren't you interested in what is going on NOW? Not enough money in it for you?
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by bernie.mcginn May 6, 2009 11:13 PM EDT
this was a really interesting show!
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by paulpaz May 6, 2009 2:53 PM EDT
JenWilding, with all due respect you have no idea what you're saying.

1. "Texaco 'abandoned' their operations in Ecuador and turned over what remaining operations it had to PetroEcuador. 'Abandoned' in the oil field means they properly conducted plug and abandonment operations that were in line with the regulations set by the Ecuador government."

Satellite photos PROVE the pits Texaco left were never remediated and remain to this day. If Texaco had been interested in properly managing the waster, they would have re-injected it inthe fiorst place - which was the practice at the time. The fact that they agreed on paper to do ANY remediation actually shows they KNEW they had polluted and admitted it. I have been there and seen it for myself - in areas where PetroEcuador has NEVER operated.

2. "Produced water" into the water ways - that means Texaco treated the water prior to disposal.

Wrong again, and visit http://chevrontoxico.com/about/environmental-impacts/produced-water.html to learn the extent of the neglect here.

3. Watch the video again and see if 60 minutes reported on anything that shows what PetroEcuador has done to the oil fields since Texaco left - they are the ones that have caused this tragic environmental damage.

What PetroEcuador is not at issue in this case. Texaco dumped 18 billion gallons of toxic waste and never cleaned it up. Petro is at fault for other things, but not that. Trying to confuse the issue is a weak tactic,

4. Even if Ecuador was to win the case and get the money - would they clean everything up?

Ecuador is not suing for a clean-up, the PEOPLE of the affected communities are. They are not doing so for financial gain and after pressing this case for almost two decades do you REALLY think they wouldn't actually clean their land once they had the resources? Do you think they'd prefer to see their children continue to die?

Jen, you accuse 60 Minutes of bad reporting but you have done no real researching into your false claims.

Oh, and LOOK AT THIS: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/Cuomo-Presses-Chevron-on-Ecuador-Pollution.html
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by gjm25 May 6, 2009 2:46 PM EDT
The last commenter seems to be determined to convince himself that Chevron is a wonderful company and all is well. But let's get the facts straight:

1. "Produced Water". Crude comes up from the ground mixed with highly saline water, laced with heavy metals and some of the more toxic soluble hydrocarbons. For each barrel of crude you might get 5-10 barrels of "Production water". In Ecuador the crude was separated from the water by basically just letting it sit in a tank, and skimming the crude off the top. The "water" underneath, still with a high hidrocarbon component, was dumped in the rivers. That is the extent of the treatment. In the US at the time all production water had to be reinjected back into the earth.

2. Yes, PetroEcuador is also responsible for contamination after Texaco/Chevron left, but that doesn't dissolve Chevron's responsibility. As for "abandoned" - the whole case is about the fact that Texaco did not properly plug and abandone sites - they left all the toxic waste lying in open pits, or buried under a thin layer of soil. All the tests, photos and sample analysis clearly demonstrate that, and that is the crux of the court case.
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by JenWilding May 5, 2009 3:04 PM EDT
This report is one sided and inaccurate. This is proof that the American media has lost its fair and balanced reporting. Texaco 'abandoned' their operations in Ecuador and turned over what remaining operations it had to PetroEcuador. 'Abandoned' in the oil field means they properly conducted plug and abandonment operations that were in line with the regulations set by the Ecuador government. "Produced water" into the water ways - that means Texaco treated the water prior to disposal. Watch the video again and see if 60 minutes reported on anything that shows what PetroEcuador has done to the oil fields since Texaco left - they are the ones that have caused this tragic environmental damage. Even if Ecuador was to win the case and get the money - would they clean everything up? That's the tradegy with society now days, everyone wants to blame someone else - Ecuador needs to wake up and take responsiblity for what they've done to the fields!!!
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by williamferrell May 5, 2009 1:42 PM EDT
These companies need to be held responsible for safe operation & for cleanup. This is not fair to the people that live there, the water supplies are contaminated, the people & animals suffer as a result of their actions. There is no excuse for this. My wife was born in Ecuador & has family there. I hope the lawsuit is awarded and this will set an example that needs to be followed by all companies operating there. Why don't these people try the drinking water there? They don't want to accept any responsibility, only the oil profits for their business. Now the people & environment pay the price for their profits.
This is pathetic & ridiculous!!! They have profited billions of dollars & now are content to leave the problem in Ecuador. There is absolutely no excuse for this behavior!
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by koreaus May 5, 2009 12:07 PM EDT
Why bother America only? Because they are a pushover? Liberals pretend they treat others fairly but they are only harsh on America, because they know communist China or Former Iraq, or North Korea don't give a d***. They will twist America's arm only and say "we want peace," Americas' enemys are gleeful.
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by koreaus May 5, 2009 11:59 AM EDT
Numerous companies from industrialized countries operate in the poor countries. If they have to pay equal money for equal labor and follow environmental laws as if they are in their own countries, they won't go to poor nations. Are you going to feed poor people? Can you? Should blue color workers sue white color workers or bosses because they earn more money in clean offices? Get real! If you want to sue Chevron, sue PatroEcuador and Chinese companies too. How about suing Germany and Japan, USSR, China for war damage?
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by koreaus May 5, 2009 11:51 AM EDT
msalabama does not eat, drive, or sleep. Because it will pollute the earth. msalabama is happy to commit suicide. Don't kill yourself, though, msalabama. Your body will contaminate the environment. Chinese will get rich through dirty Chinese factories, and in the future, will sue American companies because they will believe Americans polluted China by making products and processing wastes. Where the money went when PetroEcuador was running?
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by koreaus May 5, 2009 11:38 AM EDT
Pelley ask who is operator and builder. Then Bin Laden is innocent. He did not kill people by his own hand. Others killed Americans. Welcome Bin Laden! Americas' wealthy, smart, and conscientious liberals like Fat Ugly Documentary Guy and B Streisand must pay, and they must be very happy. Don't blame companies and U.S. government as if only they are guily and liberals are innocent. Liberals don't want to pay and only their lip services put America in bad reputation and thereby future terrorist attack. Liberals are very busy to make America a legitimate target.
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by msalabama May 5, 2009 11:28 AM EDT
This report is so depressing. The scumbag management of Texaco and Exxon no doubt share tips on how to treat the planet like a cesspool. Too bad they are not forced to live in and by their 'droppings" like the people and animals and plants in Ecuador and Alaska.
Only a moron would not be able to see the damage left by Texaco. I hope the judge fines the company 25 billion for cleanup and 25 billion punitive damages. And I am adding Texaco [Chevron] to my list of disgusting planet polluting companies which I boycott.
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by koreaus May 5, 2009 11:20 AM EDT
When a contract killer killed a man, and only the killer is guilty, only Chevron is responsible. Mr Pelley seems to believe only the killer is guily since he repeatedly ask "who operated oil well?" // Greedy or not, many Americans are eager to make America look very bad. How about suing every nation ever produced cars because they polluted air.
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by Nthedoghouse May 5, 2009 7:23 AM EDT
Paul, it doesn't really sound like you are going to listen to anyone who doesn't share your particular beliefs so I won't waste much time on it. Let's say though that Texaco pays....is that going to stop what is going on today? Do you honestly believe that that glass of water you have is because of Texaco's operations? By you way of thinking, if you sell a car to someone and that person drives recklessly and kills someone (and continues to do so), you should be held responsible. If your real concern was about those people, you would be trying to tackle the real problem. My guess is that you are one of those who stand to benefit financially or you would be more concerned about what is going on now than you would about finding deep pockets. And so the problem continues. Why isn't PetroEcuador on trial? Because you won't get the same result in Ecuador if you sue the government as well.

By the way, you didn't scoop your glass of water out of that stream shown with the oil from the Chinese pipeline spill , did you? And does PetroEcuador ever spill oil or is it simply more convenient to blame it on everyone else?
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by I_drive_Prius May 5, 2009 1:45 AM EDT
The NY Times reported that people in Azerbaijan bathe in crude oil for their health. Check this out...

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/04/world/asia/04azerbaijan.html

I wonder if there's anyone Steve Donziger can represent?
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by paulpaz May 5, 2009 1:26 AM EDT
Nthedoghouse, so it took you how many minutes to make your own false assumption? These people have been working on the case for years. When your child dies of cancer, you work hard to find out just WHO is responsible. Texaco was the SOLE OPERATOR no matter that percentage of the consortium. they BUILT the PITS and the system designed to pollute. They ARE FULLY responsible. If they had done the same thing in Texas they would have been declared guilty YEARS ago. Chevron tries to hide behind the consortium percentage, but it doesn't change their responsibility. And yes, I have been there and seen it for myself.
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by Nthedoghouse May 4, 2009 9:00 PM EDT
It would be great to look at the facts to determine who is actually at fault and to what extent, based on scientific evidence, any party is to blame. When someone writes "...Texaco/Chevron's mess..." there is little doubt that many folks have already made up there minds with very little information about the case.

The reality is this: Texaco operated these fields 20 years ago as a 40% partner while PetroEcuador owned 60%. Since then, the government has owned and operated at 100%. So why is all of this anger directed at Chevron with so little mention of the real culprits? If you find contaminated water today, odds are it was contaminated by PetroEcuador and the situation will never get better until that fact is broadly recognized. Lots of lawyers will walk away rich while PetroEcuador continues business as usual and none of these folks will benefit.
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by ArianeConrad May 4, 2009 8:46 PM EDT
I wish 60 Minutes had given some time to the impacts that Texaco/Chevron's mess had on human health. Children bathing in the river emerging with fevers and rashes- children born with birth defects -people dropping like flies from the cancers.
Who are you people who are posting comments in defense of a company with obscene profits in the tens of Billions of dollars, a company that then as now has no respect for living creatures? Are you not breathing air and drinking water? Do you feel so entirely removed from the people suffering in the Amazon that you can be so callous and unfeeling? Are you all on Chevron's payroll?
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by keithsouthamton May 4, 2009 7:53 PM EDT
If only Chevron followed the laws as they are written in the USA they would have, only had a little less profit. They could argue that Ecuadorians laws didn't say they had do anything with these pits, Chevron could publish the meeting minute or that was discussed by phone calls made with the supervisors questioning what to do with the pits run off or do we make them like in the USA? Were are the people that Chevron sent down to begin work? i find Ms. Garrigo comments laughable. This is only about how all company run their business in other counties, Were is the Senator & Representatives to pass laws that if you do work in other counties you follow our law? All company have procedure the book was thrown on this one, just look at other example, toy maker Mantle with lead in their toys, we didn't know ? were is the quality control records.
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