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April 26, 2009 6:56 PM

Coal is America's most abundant and cheapest fossil fuel but, as Scott Pelley reports, burning it happens to be the biggest contributor to global warming.

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by smendicino May 1, 2009 9:24 PM EDT
Wow! I don't think coal is the answer. It may make sense to use geothermal, wind and solar. I have geothermal, and made all the changes to our lighting and appliances for fuel efficiency. It may not be enough. The clean coal technology seems too expensive and not a 100% accurate. I wonder if we plan on selling this technology to China. They use more coal than we do???
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by jfvacc April 28, 2009 11:15 PM EDT
For all of you people that are against energy produced by coal, do me a favor and turn off all of the lights in you home, and quit using your electrical appliances. This will be your stand against coal, and the energy produced from it.

PUT YOU MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS.
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by Bonfe April 28, 2009 1:58 PM EDT
There already is a company that is able to produce 100% clean burning coal, with a totally new tecnology. Last Jan 28 and 29th I left Minnesota and went to N. Carolina, and saw it in person,because I'm invested in the company, and I wanted to see it with my own eyes.
Bixby Energy is located in Ramsey MN, north of St. Paul about 40 miles.
Bob Walker is the founder of Bixby Energy. He also started Select Comfort, the mattress company.
Myself as well as many other investors are very excited about this new tecnology, and realize how important this will be for our country and the rest of the worlds ecology. If you are interested in talking with Bixby Energy, they may be reached at 763-404-7800.
I would appreciate a response from you. efnob@aol.com or 651-983-9337
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by jtc1321 April 28, 2009 9:28 AM EDT
The U.S. Department of Energy

?With coal likely to remain one of the nation's lowest-cost electric power sources for the foreseeable future, the United States has pledged a new commitment to even more advanced clean coal technologies.?

(link: http://www.fossil.energy.gov/programs/powersystems/cleancoal/)

The U.S. Department of Commerce reports a ?Total Worldwide Demand for CCT Equipment from 2003 to 2030: $254 billion,? August 29, 2008

(link: http://tradeinservices.mofcom.gov.cn/en/f/2008-08-29/54421.shtml)
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by jazzbullet April 28, 2009 9:25 AM EDT
How about solar n& wind? Are they more or less expensive then carbon sequestration?
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by jonathansj April 27, 2009 11:31 PM EDT
one gallon of natural gas or gasoline burns in an engine and makes one gallon of co2

i think the co2 probably is generated on the ground by industry forest fires and volcanoes.. but that even though its heavier than normal air. somehow maybe in the direst sun, since co2 is made of carbon, and carbon is black, and co2 is known to absorb infra red, that it is heated and becomes lighter than normal and if able to rise like a hot air balloon , in that way it could be more concentrated in higher atmosphere areas where it would shield off the suns rays and cause or contribute to the atmospheric cooling that i have read and heard some research to suggest.
if so. than if it is heating the stratosphere. then it seems highly likely that it prevents water vapor from freezing in the intense cold of the stratosphere and disables the mechanism that freezes water vapor and prevents clouds from rising(threw their own form of absorbing its own color of light). and rising up and into the mesosphere and turning to some form of team that can become so light that it can pass threw the ionosphere and finally into the unfiltered solar radiation into space at a rate that could prevent the sea level from ever rising. and cause it to eventually drop after the poles are all melted dedicating the earth. maybe. probably
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by jonathansj April 27, 2009 9:46 PM EDT
this is what i think
co2 is bad.
theres less co2 in the earths atmosphere per volume than the atmosphere os the moon.
co2 is probably building up in tyhe measosphere and causing watyter vapor to be syphenned into space
maybe causing heat to be convected to the lower atmosphere and melting the poles.


the earth's a ball dirt with a top layer of water. it rains on the hot part and snows on the cold part. the snow builds up the polar caps till they extends way into the air. quite a few miles high.
it snows at about the same rate on the north pole and south pole.
but
the sun only gets intense enough to melt the snow when:
1)the pole is tilted toward the sun and
2)when the earth is on the part of its orbit that is closest to the sun.
which is only possible on the north pole since the sun is closest when the north pole is tilted towards the sun

the south pole is melted by another mechanism.
because the south pole builds up more snow since it almost never heats hot enough to melt . the south polar ice cap is a big heavy ice cube. the south polar ice cap is so heavy that it presses down on the earth beneath the ice cap
it presses so hard that it creates a depression in the earth's crust.
the depression is so deep that it presses the crust into the sub crust just above the molten part of the earth.
the earth's sub crust is hot at that depth. so hot that it melts the ice under the ice cap.

the following is a sort of guideline to create a model of why the north pole melts.
the temperature of the earth is probably about 75 degrees farinhite. the temperature looking into outer space on the night side of the earth is probably 150 degrees below 75 degrees. and in the direct sunlight probably about 200 degrease. water freezes at 32
the temperature on the equator must be 125(since half day and half night) poles is probably an average of -50
the north pole goes colder in its winter and hotter in its summer.
but the south pole varies less in temperature. so it never gets above point where the accumulation melts faster than the snowfall rebuilds it
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by shellius April 27, 2009 4:22 PM EDT
quote:
"One fact you cannot deny...there is absolutley NO WAY to capture and Control MERCURY POLLUTION from burning COAL BURNERS , furnaces , incenerators.
I don't care one farthing if you want to die in a filthy environment.
Y-O-U just don't have my permission to kill me with that FILTH. "

I SECOND THAT. The legal basis to shut down all the coal plants is that they are destroying the country that no one generation has any right to trash. The country and the world belong to future generations and it's illegal to destroy the air and land that doesn't belong to us. Why don't a group of Eco-minded lawyers get on this and let's get a class action suit started against the coal industry. I will repeat that. We need a class action lawsuit against the coal industry as guardians of our children and future generations. Let's get some lawyers on this.
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by promanen April 27, 2009 3:58 PM EDT
You've all known since the mid 1970's that COAL was a filthy uncontrollable fossil fuel.
Yoy've also followed the " magic Dollar " and supported the purveyors of filth. Now you deny Global Warming.
One fact you cannot deny...there is absolutley NO WAY to capture and Control MERCURY POLLUTION from burning COAL BURNERS , furnaces , incenerators.
I don't care one farthing if you want to die in a filthy environment.
Y-O-U just don't have my permission to kill me with that FILTH.
SHUT DOWN COAL FIRED POWER PLANTS>

Next item : We have absolutley no manufacturing facilities left that require heavy electrical usage. So for whom are they building the new plants for ?
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by ceetee9 April 27, 2009 3:32 PM EDT
It?s truly sad that something as critical as our depleting energy resources and the pollution and global warming they cause can?t be elevated beyond conventional thinking and the maintenance of the status quo. I?d like to believe this is because we have entirely too many ignorant people in powerful positions (e.g., government, academia, business and the media), but I?m beginning to believe it?s more because of those who know the truth are too afraid to speak it or that they have been brainwashed into believing they are being patriotic and a good planetary citizen by keeping the truth under wraps (for whatever reason).

Discussions about whether we need more coal or nuclear power plants?or even more solar and wind?when there are advanced, non-polluting energy technologies that are virtually unlimited in resource is like discussing whether it is better to light a house with candles, gas lights, kerosene lanterns, or torches when electric light bulb technology has been around for years.

Advanced technologies like zero point, electrogravitics, and low energy nuclear fusion (aka cold fusion) are real and have been around for decades. But until a critical mass of the population is reached where they start demanding the release of these technologies, and/or a conscience is grown by those on the inside who know they have been actively suppressing these technologies to keep the energy cartel firmly in control of the world economies and governments, we will continue to destroy the planet and ourselves at an exponential rate.

Wake up people and do your own research. Don?t believe me, the government, mainstream academia, or the media. The information is hidden in plain sight, but you actually have to open your eyes and your mind to take it in.

And for those of you on the inside who know the truth and have been having second thoughts about your role in the suppression, I implore you to search your soul and ask yourself is what is rapidly unfolding in the world really what you want? Is what you are doing really worth the cost to you and your family and its future generations? Do you really want to live in a world where such secrets, deception and ruthlessness require you to trust no one and to keep looking over your shoulder? Is wealth, power and control really all that matters?

For those of you who would like to do your own research and investigation into what I?ve said there is a wealth of information in books, journals, videos and CDs, and on the web. Here are a few good resources and topics you can start with by searching the web or visiting your local library or book store:
Brian O?Leary, Ph.D.
Paul LaViolette Ph.D.
Ervin Laszlo, Ph.D.
Eugene Mallove, Ph.D.
Thomas Townsend Brown
Paul Biefeld, Ph.D.
Nikola Tesla
Tom Bearden
Guy Obolensky, Ph.D.
Eugene Podkletnov, Ph.D.
Stanley Pons, Ph.D.
Martin Fleischmann, Ph.D.
Michael McKubre, Ph.D.
Jeane Manning
Zero Point Energy (ZPE)
LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction; aka Cold Fusion)
Electrogravitics
Subquantum Kinetics
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by sectorseveng April 27, 2009 2:06 PM EDT
Welcome to Mr. Rogers neighborhood where he states: "That we need a Marshall Plan...We havent spent the money... we are going to co-invest with the government"

Everything he stated translates into: Privatize the gains, and socialize the losses.
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by chiefjusticebadger April 27, 2009 1:38 PM EDT
Mr. Rogers seemed very sincere on 60 Minutes last night. Yet when it came to putting their money where their mouth is about carbon sequesteration they were all talk. What would Duke really give to solve that problem? An inexpensive, clean replacement for fossil fuels would put thousands of people out of work and the people who owned stock in all those coal mines would certainly take a bath (financially).
Seriously, what's it worth?
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by onlygoodstuff April 27, 2009 1:18 PM EDT
Yes please got to the NSIDC this poster is WRONG, go there your self!! The ice bridge to the Wilkins shelf just collapsed, and the NSIDC has stated, "ncluding March 2009, the past six years have all had ice extent substantially lower than normal. The linear trend indicates that for the month of March, ice extent is declining by 2.7% per decade, an average of 43,000 square kilometers (16,000 square miles) of ice per year."

"...Jim Hansen's predictions and numbers have been continually discredited. Do your research.Go to the NSIDC site and see that the Arctic sea ice extent is back to normal.
Posted by elmeramos at 6:58 PM : Apr 26, 2009"
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by rwhiten1 April 27, 2009 12:25 PM EDT
If IGCC with CCS are the next great thing in the power industry that will allow us to produce cheap electricity with coal, why has Duke not invested a dime in it? Why are they waiting for the government to prove its efficacy before they jump in? Renewables like wind and solar thermal get very little government investment, yet they manage to produce 2%. Maybe if we focused on truly renewable technologies with the same level of investment that is poured into coal and nukes, getting them to 50, 60, even 70% wouldn't be as daunting a challenge. Several studies have been done showing that 100% of America's energy needs could be satisfied with 100 sq miles of concentrated solar thermal in the southwest. We just don't have the political will to walk away from coal.

Additionally, even if we figure out a way to do IGCC w/ CCS as cheap as the dirty plants of today - you still have to get the coal out of the ground, and MTR is one of the most environmentally destructive activities practiced on this continent (except for maybe tar sands in Canada). And you will still have the problems of the coal-ash lagoons, just like the one that failed in Tennesee last year causing billions and billions and billions of dollars in property damage.
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by shellius April 27, 2009 12:05 PM EDT
We need nuclear power, but the biggest point is, if we are going to spend a trillion bucks on "clean coal" then why not put that instead into a "marshall plan" to get us off coal? We don't need to use coal. We should invest in wind and solar and geothermal. WE DON'T NEED COAL.. The people who are telling us that are lying, or right-wingers. They are unable to think outside the box. Would you like some proof that we don't need coal? In 200 years it will all be gone, and then what? Yes, then humanity will live without it. Skip those 200 years and let's do it now. People forget -- all fossil fuels are finite. All of them. They WILL run out. So stop using them for fuel and save their use for other things future generations will need.

The coal man interviewed in this segment is not "reformed". He's so greedy he wants to make money killing off future generations of people. Same with T. Boone Pickens. They're both frauds. We need to be interviewing people with solutions to climate change, not these snake oil salesmen. "Yeah, I believe in climate change, but I'm gonna keep building coal plants anyway." Are you frakkin' kidding me? This man should be put in jail. He's killing people.
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by claydowner April 27, 2009 9:58 AM EDT
There has been talk from American politicians who want to build 100 nuclear power plants. This is a straw man argument. We can not afford nuclear power. The economic costs of nuclear power are huge when compared to cleaner coal, solar, or wind farms (these are expensive too). We can not even agree politically as country on building a waste storage facility in Yucca mountain in Nevada. Nuclear energy costs are much higher than coal fired plants or even the more expensive FutureGen projects with carbon capture systems. The nuclear waste disposal issue just does not go away with a half life of many tens of thousands of years for the waste that must be stored in stainless steel barrels when transported anywhere. The only country that has successfully employed nuclear power is probably France. France reprocesses its nuclear waste with breeder reactors but they still have a nuclear waste storage facility in the Normandy peninsula. It is worth noting that the French are investing rather heavily in wind farms. The excellent nuclear power programs employed by the US Navy is a poor example for commercial applications because the Navy applications are very limited to ships and submarines.

IGCC coal plants with CCS, Solar thermal plants and photovoltaics panels, wind farms, turbodiesel European cars, smart grids, and biomass are the right way to go for America. We could probably have solar and wind farms producing half or more of our electricity in 20 years. IGCC coal plants could serve as a mainline back up. We should also back this up with aggressive recycling programs and energy conservation programs for buildings. Forget nuclear power it will be an economic failure. S. David Freeman used to be in charge of the TVA in the 1970's and he canceled nuclear power plants because they were uneconomical. Far smarter to invest a few trillion dollars in IGCC plants and turbodiesel cars that get 70 MPG. Then we can bring our troops home forever from the Middle East and read Psalm 23 for OPEC's obituary. I do not think many America families who have lost servicemembers in these wars will feel very sorry for OPEC's demise. I won't either.
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by rotiv79 April 27, 2009 12:31 AM EDT
YOu people are so high up your self and think you can control everything with your technology when infact you are making things worst.....! Mother is a living organism and only people like your selves would think of injecting pollution back into the earth I mean would you inject your own Urine or feces inside you? Bottom line is that people in industrialize countries are not willing to sacrifice or compromise the future of this earth and our own. Go to any large city of an industrialized country everyone is out in their cars, or want to fly with a cheap ticket every year for vacation or has a 52 inch plasma tv Nothing is going to change until a huge part of the world population ceases to exist sadly enough this is the only way human understand we have come so far with technology but in the end we are still ignorant as ever! But guess wha this time history wont be one sided and everyone would know that we are all at fault but certain people the so called elites and highly educated were the ones who propagated this polluting mentality around the world and lost respect for mother nature were are all dammed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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by dalebulla April 26, 2009 10:57 PM EDT
Perhaps the nay-sayers of global climate change will come around after the crisis gets worse. The human species is not known for forethought but rather taking action only after every possible denial of fact is fully aired. If the mountain ice around the world is gone by 2015, as some predict, gasoline will seem cheap compared to water. If you think our economic worries are bad now, wait until there are billions of dislocated refugees around the world looking for food and water. And of course, a trillion dollars for carbon capture will seem like a bargain compared to the cost of U.S. costal cities under water.
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by dnapolitano April 26, 2009 10:08 PM EDT
We need to build 100 new nuclear power plant as fast and safely as possible. Nuclear power represents the most compact, most reliable, least poluting form of energy that can produce power 24 hours a day, 7 days a week 365 days a year.
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by elmeramos April 26, 2009 9:58 PM EDT
What comes out of Roger's mouth is CO2. Why do you want to starve plants which need the CO2 to make food. CO2 is not the number one issue, water vapor is. Are you going to ban water next? Jim Hansen's predictions and numbers have been continually discredited. Do your research.Go to the NSIDC site and see that the Arctic sea ice extent is back to normal.
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