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The Collider

September 28, 2008 8:10 PM

Steve Kroft descends into the Large Hadron Collider some call it the "big bang machine" - that took billions of dollars and 9,000 physicists to build in the hope it will provide valuable insights.

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by jaysea32 September 28, 2008 11:53 PM PDT
Compared to the cost of death and destruction in the Iraq war @ $10B(US) per month, the $8B(US) spent over 20 years by the participating nations for research such as the LHC will provide seems like a real bargain.
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by ch5d September 29, 2008 1:05 AM PDT
This discovery is not just credited to Peter Higgs. In addition to Higgs, five others are credited with this discovery (Guralnik, Hagen, Kibble, Brout, and Englert). In their 50th anniversary celebration, Physical Review Letters, where the original papers were published, just credited and recognized all these papers for this milestone discovery.

http://prl.aps.org/50years/milestones

It is unfortunate that 60 Minutes did not recognize all these theorists %u2013 especially as you were noting the American contributions.
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by seahagen September 29, 2008 1:18 AM PDT
Amen! Thank you "ch5d" I had just posted a comment about Hagen and Guralnik!!! and what they have done - the only two Americans!@
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by seahagen September 29, 2008 2:57 AM PDT
It is most interesting that 60 Minutes haave not praised and talked about the two American Physicists, Carl R Hagen and Gerald Gurald Guralnk, the two Americans that wrote about this from the first.
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by rumpole_ September 29, 2008 7:35 AM PDT
It''s unfortunate that the story didn''t point out, especially when interviewing the three young American scientists, that the US had the chance in 1983 to build a machine three times as powerful as the LHC, but chose not to do so, thereby delaying by a generation this advanced work in physics. It was called the Superconducting Super Collider. I wish the LHC well, but note that their main competitor decided not to run in the race.
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by alisotim September 29, 2008 10:55 AM PDT
My main concern is not whether or not this thing creates a Black Hole but more importantly if extensive security checks were made on these Palestinian, Iranian, and Pakistanian scientist working on this project. My second point is that, if results from this project validate the Higgs Particle are we dooming the future of religion or at least are we regulating religion only for the uneducated? Third point, wow eight billion dollars is nothing now, especially since we just spent seven hundred billion on this massive bailout. What would you rather spend eight billion dollars on? Space Travel or Atom Smashing?
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by SaneScienceOrg September 29, 2008 5:47 PM PDT
Man''s technology has exceeded his grasp. - ''The World is not Enough''
Zealous, jealous, Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed ''Higgs Boson''(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The LHC is the world''s most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing groups of billions of heavy subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets, AntiMatter and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rzjula in the BBC LHC documentary, ''The Six Billion Dollar Experiment'', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don''t know what we''re doing."
They are experimenting with forces they don''t understand to obtain results they can''t comprehend. If you think like most people do that ''They must know what they''re doing'' you could not be more wrong. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN says) benefits.
This quote from National Geographic, exactly sums this "science" up: "You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out." More info:
http://www.SaneScience.org
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by SaneScienceOrg September 29, 2008 5:53 PM PDT
Man''s technology has exceeded his grasp. - ''The World is not Enough''
Zealous, jealous, Nobel Prize hungry Physicists are racing each other and stopping at nothing to try to find the supposed ''Higgs Boson''(aka God) Particle, among others, and are risking nothing less than the annihilation of the Earth and all Life in endless experiments hoping to prove a theory when urgent tangible problems face the planet. The LHC is the world''s most powerful atom smasher that will soon be firing groups of billions of heavy subatomic particles at each other at nearly the speed of light to create Miniature Big Bangs producing Micro Black Holes, Strangelets, AntiMatter and other potentially cataclysmic phenomena.
The LHC is a dangerous gamble as CERN physicist Alvaro De Rzjula in the BBC LHC documentary, ''The Six Billion Dollar Experiment'', incredibly admits quote, "Will we find the Higgs particle at the LHC? That, of course, is the question. And the answer is, science is what we do when we don''t know what we''re doing."
They are experimenting with forces they don''t understand to obtain results they can''t comprehend. If you think like most people do that ''They must know what they''re doing'' you could not be more wrong. Reason and common sense will tell you that the risks far outweigh any potential(as CERN says) benefits.
This quote from National Geographic, exactly sums this "science" up: "You smash stuff together and see what other stuff comes out." More info:
http://www.SaneScience.org
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by bernaroy September 29, 2008 10:13 PM PDT
I like 60 minutes. I like Rooney, Kroft, Pelley, Couric, Safer, Simon, Stahl... The program is informative, intelligent and well presented and you don''t seem to be muzzeled up - well - so I thought.

Please take note that I am always VERY angry when your +schedule; is being munched up by a stupid game like football. Those fat burly idiots never seem to kick the ball correctly when the game is at it''s end. Very frustrating.

I was watching the third segment of your program about the very interesting subject +The Collider; with Steve Kroft when at 8 o''clock sharp, the all mighty management at CBS pulled the plug. I instantly thought +OH GOD; something terrible is happening - there is going to be an announcement that the world is collapsing or something like that. NOOOOO... It was time for the program +The Amazing Race;. I could''nt believe it. I jumped to the ceiling. You should have seen the smoke off my ears. HOW CAN YOU DO THAT ! Then I thought, it''s all about greed, arrogance and the love for stupidity. It''s all about money, about profit and nothing else. No wonder your country is plunged in such a financial crisis. Well - GOOD FOR YOU !

P.S. My mother tongue is french and I did my best to clearly express myself in your language.
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by bernaroy September 29, 2008 10:14 PM PDT
I like 60 minutes. I like Rooney, Kroft, Pelley, Couric, Safer, Simon, Stahl... The program is informative, intelligent and well presented and you don''t seem to be muzzeled up - well - so I thought.

Please take note that I am always VERY angry when your +schedule; is being munched up by a stupid game like football. Those fat burly idiots never seem to kick the ball correctly when the game is at it''s end. Very frustrating.

I was watching the third segment of your program about the very interesting subject +The Collider; with Steve Kroft when at 8 o''clock sharp, the all mighty management at CBS pulled the plug. I instantly thought +OH GOD; something terrible is happening - there is going to be an announcement that the world is collapsing or something like that. NOOOOO... It was time for the program +The Amazing Race;. I could''nt believe it. I jumped to the ceiling. You should have seen the smoke off my ears. HOW CAN YOU DO THAT ! Then I thought, it''s all about greed, arrogance and the love for stupidity. It''s all about money, about profit and nothing else. No wonder your country is plunged in such a financial crisis. Well - GOOD FOR YOU !

P.S. My mother tongue is french and I did my best to clearly express myself in your language.
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by bernaroy September 29, 2008 10:16 PM PDT
I like 60 minutes. I like Rooney, Kroft, Pelley, Couric, Safer, Simon, Stahl... The program is informative, intelligent and well presented and you don''t seem to be muzzeled up - well - so I thought.

Please take note that I am always VERY angry when your +schedule; is being munched up by a stupid game like football. Those fat burly idiots never seem to kick the ball correctly when the game is at it''s end. Very frustrating.

I was watching the third segment of your program about the very interesting subject +The Collider; with Steve Kroft when at 8 o''clock sharp, the all mighty management at CBS pulled the plug. I instantly thought +OH GOD; something terrible is happening - there is going to be an announcement that the world is collapsing or something like that. NOOOOO... It was time for the program +The Amazing Race;. I could''nt believe it. I jumped to the ceiling. You should have seen the smoke coming off my ears. HOW CAN YOU DO THAT ! Then I thought, it''s all about greed, arrogance and the love for stupidity. It''s all about money, about profit and nothing else. No wonder your country is plunged in such a financial crisis. Well - GOOD FOR YOU !

P.S. My mother tongue is french and I did my best to clearly express myself in your language.
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