CBS News/ October 20, 2011, 10:58 AM

Hanna: Animals owner's wife called them her kids

Animal expert Jack Hanna says Marian Thompson, wife of Terry Thompson -- who committed suicide after he released dozens of exotic animals from their Zanesville, Ohio farm -- is heartbroken over their loss.

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Hanna, director emeritus of the Columbus Zoo and Aquarium, worked tirelessly with police Wednesday as they tracked down some 56 exotic animals.

He says Marian Thompson was uncontrollable over the loss of the animals, which she called "her children." Many of the animals were killed during the frantic search, and the animals still on the farm were taken to the Columbus Zoo for care and housing.

He said, "I understood she was very upset at me for taking her 'children' ... for someone killing her 'children,' and why would I be up there trying to take the remaining three leopards, (the small apes) and one grizzly. ... She was crying. She was actually uncontrollable.

You know what I did? When you see somebody that's just beaten to death, she's just done, she's lost her husband, I can't help that ... but you see someone that's has lost everything -- I hugged her and I tried to hold her. She was shaking. She said, 'I've lost everything.' I said, 'I'm not taking your children. I'm taking them to the Columbus Zoo to take care of them. They're still your children, they're still your animals. But we cannot bring them back in these conditions. I'm trying to help you right now."'

Referring to the animals who were shot dead, Hanna continued, "Tears started coming out of my eyes. I don't want anybody to feel sorry for Jack Hanna, but I'm saying that the emotions with me and our staff, the sheriff's deputies -- when you saw the deputies sitting there shooting the animals, I wish you could have seen their faces, I wish you would have seen them when they said they had to go talk to their children. That's not something they wanted to do. Half of them looked like they had tears in their eyes (about) what they'd done. They were afraid to look at me, because here they are shooting at animals that Jack Hanna is trying to save, you know?

This is something, if you tried to write a script, I can't imagine Hollywood coming up with something like this. This is such a bad dream for all of us. It's over now. The animals lost their lives."

The shoot-to-kill orders from Muskingum County Sheriff Matt Lutz, who was overseeing the situation at the Thompsons' animal farm, were questioned by many, including Hanna himself when he arrived at the scene of animal carnage.

"It's been the worst thing that has ever happened to me in 40 years of this career," Hanna said. "I said yesterday when I got there at daylight and saw (what had happened), and I go, 'Why couldn't we have tranquilized them?'"

However, when Hanna learned more about the situation, he said he began to understand the orders.

"You only had four tranquilizer guns that got there," he explained. "Picture about 30 or 40 (exotic animals) coming out of this whole compound with four tranquilizer guns. ... What can be done with four guns?"

Also, he said, the effect on the animals of a tranquilizer gun isn't instantaneous. He said, "What you have happen here, once you hit the animal, the animal goes and for three to 10 minutes, he's not down, he's nervous and running everywhere, the drug is taking effect. No telling what would have happened with only four tranquilizer guns were all we had there and we had 30 to 40 some animals."

Hanna said people would surely have died if the animals hadn't been taken down. "They're huge carnivores," he said. "There's no doubt in my mind ... we would have had some deaths on our hands. Therefore, (the sheriff) had to make a critical decision. Every time I look at it, I know people are contacting (local authorities from) around England, Australia, all over, very upset over this whole thing, about the sheriff doing this. He had no choice, or we would have had a major loss of human life in Zanesville, Ohio, yesterday, during the nighttime and especially yesterday morning when the sun came up. So it's all over with now. I sat here last night and cried several times. I look at these pictures. I don't believe it's happened, but what (happened) had to happen, or we would have had a mess on our hands beyond comprehension."

Hanna added some good is coming out of the situation in the form of new legislation to avoid the kind of situation that unfolded in Zanesville. Hanna said the governor is ready to propose laws to ensure animal safety. Hanna said a ban on the sale of exotic animals in the state is in the works, as well as new state standards for exotic animal care. Hanna says he plans to have a say in those standards, and if necessary, begin to remove animals from sub-par living conditions.

He said, "This will be one of the toughest states in the country when this gets done to pull anything like this off ever again. As long as I'm here, I know the governor, and (former)Gov. (Ted) Strickland started this whole thing, and (current) Gov. (John) Kasich will carry it through in the next few months, and we will be out there and this will not happen again here under my watch in the state of Ohio unless somebody is sneaking this in without us knowing inside of a cave or something."

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darlingsapphire says:
I WISH HUMANS WOULD LEAVE ANIMALS TO THEIR PEACEFUL LIVING AS
GOD HAD INTENDED AND LOOK AFTER THEIR OWN SICK POPULATION OF
HUMANS. SOME SIMPLE RULES; DECREASE HUMAN POPULATION THEN
TEACH PEOPLE TO LIVE SIMPLY AND TO APPRECIATE AND RESPECT THE
ENVIRONMENT, BUT WAIT A MINUTEL....WHO'S GOING TO TEACH THEM,
SURELY NOT THE BEAUROCRATES WHO RUN EACH AND EVERY COUNTRY,
MAYBE IT COULD BE THE ANIMAL AND ENVIRONMENT LOVING HUMANS.
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dagrandma says:
I wonder what these message boards would look like if the Sheriff had opted to wait until morning and use tranquilizer guns and a couple of humans had been killed. Damned if you do. Damned if you don't.
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aregularfollower says:
This was a sad enough story with the posting all the pictures (closeups no less) of all the dead exotic animasl. Terrible decision. Shame on you.
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MIO42 says:
Thank you Jack for your. Compassion You alone probably realize when one of these precious species are destroyed a million are destroyed genetically ! We share this planet ! We don't own it or have the right to destroy species who were here eons before Humans set out to destroy it
Thanks. Jack
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FridayGal says:
Shut up, Hanna. You've lived in Ohio for decades and haven't done anything to bring about better wildlife laws there (but you did find time to defend dove hunting a few years back, so your priorities are clear.)

Zoos that breed cute babies in order to sell more tickets are often the source of surplus animals sold off to private collectors like this wacko, and that combined with weak laws is how you get a tragedy like this.

Wild animals belong in the wild or in highly regulated sanctuaries, not put on display for profit or kept in backyards. Hanna is not a true conservationist, but he sure likes to play one on TV.
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MIO42 replies:
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Do you have a conscience?
DWileyOne replies:
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Shame on the wife for allowing her "children" to live in such filth and horrible conditions...documented for years. Shame on the local authorities for allowing these animals to be kept in such deplorable conditions...for years. Shame on Jack Hanna for using the death of these splendid animals for his own self promotion...where have you been, Jack, for the last 10 years? EVERY SINGLE PERSON INVOLVED IN THIS INCIDENT IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE SLAUGHTER OF THESE ANIMALS.
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imnho says:
Its tragic affair.the police had no other option but to shoot the large carnoviores. shooting them with dart guns does not guarentee safety
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smittyc says:
I don't see Hanna holding any position where wild life animals are involved. I don't see the current sheriff keeping his job either. Did these men do something wrong, not in my view, but the wrath that is going to come with the decision to kill these animals is going to be felt by everyone who lives in that community and was involved passively or actively. It is called a lose lose situation.
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parrotphan says:
Seems like this place was known by the community and the sheriff's department to exist. Maybe some preparation for a possible mass escape (or in this case, a release!) would be a good idea for the future, both by the people of the community and the sheriff's department. If that means that the sheriff's department should have enough tranqulizer guns and tranquilizers to be provided by the animals' owner, then maybe that should happen BEFORE the person is allowed to have them there. Maybe a year or two in prison for the amnimals' owner as well so they understand what their animal will be going through.
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AlFranken says:
I don't buy Jack Hanna's excuse:

A better explanation would be that the govt., of course, did not have a plan in place for this sort of situation.

About as prepared as we were for Hurricane Katrina.

I'd bet dollar to donuts that places like Africa or maybe even Alaska have a plan for something like this --

For example, Here is a state wide plan:

Have 200 tranquilizers ready for varying dosages, a dozen rifles with a half a dozen marksmen and plenty of volunteers already trained for similar scenarios within a reasonable distance of 6 helicopters that are probably stationed at the nearest Air or Army National Guard. (ready to execute in under 24 hours)

Regarding his complaints about hitting them in the right place and what not -- just another excuse.

If you would drive them in the woods, then everyone knows better than to go into the woods till they have been cleared.

If you want the tigers and lions to come out in the open, you simply tie a goat to a tree in the open. No problem.

They will run from a pack of dogs that works well also to chase them out of the bush's....

Just lame excuses coming from Hanna

Yes, we are going to lose some dogs and livestock to the cats before we get them but it is what it is.

It's going to take weeks or possibly a month or two to get them all and it will be a lot more expensive but it is a human error not the animals. It is in their nature to be aggressive when approached.

This Hanna guy and the Sheriffs were just simply way over their head on this issue and they were probably scared too.

The Sheriffs sole responsibility would be to declare immediate martial law and request the local national guard to guard the public the following day. The helicopters with the marksmen would have arrived the next morning with plenty of horse trailers to relocate the animals -- no need for special cages, improvisational trailers work fine.

We have an obligation to ourselves and the animals under our responsibility to rectify the problem humane as possible.


There seems to be a degree of dysfunctional issues between the local govt and the animal owners --- no wonder they had no plan -- or maybe this was the plan.
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AlFranken replies:
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You sound like a lawyer all right.

You are right -- my plan isn't rational in this socially/politically correctness today so maybe it should have been pointed more to the current system and the ideology of today.

Believe it or not, I believe in the "go out on your own risk" more so than our current system.

So in other countries maybe the tigers would be worth a hell lot more alive and people have a enough common sense not to "f" with them till their caught --- "stay home till it is resolved!".
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barbaram99 says:
Dear Jack Hanna,
This is just heart breaking..This needs to be done nation-wide the banning of ownership of animals that are wild. Yer well known and can make a difference.
We are allowed to own house cats and dogs and farm animals..Yet owning animals that are wild should be banned for the heath and well being of the animals.Banned nation-wide.I am appalled that the govt has not put such laws in place nation-wide.
If TV shows are the blame as they use wild animals in them then we need to look in to that as well as people get the mindset that such would make a cute pet when in fact -the animals would not.
I can not see yer faces as a legally blind person.I know that yer voices are full of sorrow.I have wondered about this issue as it hit the press world wide--He should have left the cages locked as they would have been saved..I can not understand the mindset of lettting them run free just aso he had to know that they would be put down..The sad duty of them that had to do so.
The tears each have and cry over this. Ye need to educate the public when ye show animals that they belong in the wild..They are not pets.
Yer the best person to get the message out on this issue.
I live in Seattle with my sighted roommate of 28 years. We have a small dog as a pet.
I am appalled that the man at the centre of this mess caused the death of so mamy wild animals tho he has died at his hands.
Ye did the right thing--as hard as it was.
The lady needs to get a house pet that she can love and give a proper home..Her wild animal children that lived are best where ye all took them.
Barbara
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