CBS News/ August 30, 2011, 9:28 AM

"Waiting for Superman" star on cheating scandals

Finding and keeping good teachers in U.S. public schools is an ongoing challenge for the nation's educators.

On "The Early Show," CBS News correspondent Jan Crawford asked Michelle Rhee, former chancellor of Washington D.C.'s public school system and a major player in the recent documentary "Waiting for Superman," about the teacher cheating scandals that have rocked the Atlanta-area and Washington, D.C. schools.

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Crawford said, "Down in Atlanta, I think there are about 178 people implicated. And even in Washington, D.C. Now, there's an investigation about cheating to try to improve those student scores, erasing things on tests. ... What's your response to that? Do you think your effort to assess and evaluate these teachers actually put too much pressure on the teachers, that sets a bad example, really, and encourages them to cheat?"

Rhee replied, "Look, I think the vast majority of teachers and principals would never compromise their personal or professional integrity and cheat on a test. I don't think the vast majority of people would do that. Unfortunately, we do have a small number of people who are making the wrong decision and deciding to cheat. I don't think, though, that that can erase the fact that so many professionals out there are doing what they are supposed to be doing.

"So I think school districts need to make sure they are putting the proper test security measures in place. When we do find that the small number of people are cheating and doing the wrong thing, then we need to have the appropriate consequences for them. But I think that it's important not to draw the conclusion that, because a minority of people are cheating, that we should throw the entire testing and accountability system out. That makes no sense whatsoever."

Rhee said a major issue in U.S. schools is a set of standards for teachers.

Rhee is now the founder and chief executive officer of StudentsFirst, a student advocacy group.

"If we hold high expectations for children, they will rise to meet them. And we, as the adults in the system, and for teachers ... they think this all the time, it is part of their responsibility to ensure that the children are meeting those expectations. And when we set those expectations, it's amazing what can happen. ... What we should be striving for is making sure that every single child in every single classroom across this country has a (good) teacher."

When asked how the best and brightest can be attracted to education, Rhee said it has to be easier for people to become teachers.

"There is a lot of interest from people," she said. "Recent college graduates, mid-career professionals, people are very interested in the possibility of coming into teaching. What we have to do is make it easy for them to do so. We should have high standards for the kinds of people who are entering into the classrooms, but for somebody who has studied to potentially become a lawyer...we have to have a path for them. ... It should be that, when we have talented people who don't necessarily have an education degree, but who have very, very strong content knowledge, we have to have a path for those people to come through."

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dgosser5 says:
According to Wikipedia - the following is true. If this is the case, how can CBS write this article without citing the controversy.

The gains in test scores made at Noyes Elementary School earned the school recognition as a Blue Ribbon School. Rhee promoted the school as a model for her education reform movement. The article noted that Noyes was only one of 96 schools in D.C. flagged by third parties for abnormally high wrong-to-right changes in answers since 2008. At Phoebe Hearst Elementary, Winston Education Campus, and Aiton Elementary, 85% or more of classrooms were identified as having high erasure rates in 2008. At four other schools, the percentage of classrooms in that category ranged from 17% to 58%. The total number of schools in D.C. with abnormal rates of wrong-to-right erasures is more than half of all schools. The article claimed that among the 96 schools that were flagged for wrong-to-right erasures were eight of the 10 campuses where Rhee handed out TEAM awards "to recognize, reward and retain high-performing educators and support staff." Noyes was one of several schools Rhee awarded after having been flagged for abnormally high erasures.
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mrmartingm says:
If you went and analyzed Michelle Rhee's resume, you'd quickly come to the realization that she doesn't really have the credentials or experience of an educator to actually be making judgment on issues related to education. How and why she was suddenly catapolted to the national prominence that she currently holds, I don't know.
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tsigili says:
This person's methods, create a whole new set of problems and issues, and her approach, while looking good on the one hand, create too many problems on the other hand.

That is why she is no longer the DC superintendent.
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bbbbmer says:
Rhee is a demonstrated LIAR and FRAUD -- why is CBS giving her this platform when she has virtually NO long term experience in the classroom, she ran DCSchools into the ground, and enabled her fake fiance's alleged pedophilia by offering payoffs to victims??? A review of the Inspector General's report on St. Hope charter in Sacramento might be in order to see just what a disgusting liar she really is....

http://www.cncsig.gov/StHopeSR.html
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ohbutwait says:
EXCERPT: She (Ghee) told The New York Times that the students she taught her second and third years had national standardized test scores that were initially at the 13th percentile;but at the end of two years, the class was at grade level, with some students performing at the 90th percentile.[6] Earlier she had said on her resume that 90 percent of her students had attained scores at the 90th percentile.[10] In 2010, a retired math teacher unearthed test score data on Rhee's Baltimore school which indicated that her students' scores went up during the 2nd and 3rd years, but that the percentile gains were less than half what Rhee claimed:[10] In Math her scores went from 22 percentile to 52 percentile, an average increase of 15 percentile annually.[9] In Reading her scores went from 14 percentile to 48 percentile, an average increase of 17 percentile annually. Who is cheating again?
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adrianna_jackson says:
I don't think the problem in education today is teachers 'cheating.' Personally I think the problem is teachers are being forced (by state and federal agencies) to 'teach for a test.' And that is all they are doing. I know, I get all the all the 'products' or 'results' of our current educational system in community college level. I get student who graduated with 'A' that can barely comprehend a textbook, string together a sentence (let alone an argument), which has no clue where Madagascar is, and think Global Warming means a hot summer.
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Scimajor says:
Weird. There's no reason to cheat on these tests other than to get an ego boost. The results of the tests are not allowed to be used in teacher evaluations. Here in California, with the way the tests are administered, it's nearly impossible and certainly impractical to cheat and make any significant difference to student scores.
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imnotimportant says:
This women may have been in a movie, but she is no star. Look close enough and you will see that her success has been built on inaccurate facts.
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Drivelphobe001 says:
We all know who the good teachers are and they need more money and all the support we can give them. We need to get rid of tenure, a real joke. It protects and allows the bad teachers to abuse the system and the kids. There is little anyone can do to these parasites with all the union protection. I have all my kids in private schools now. The environment is supportive, warm, educationally oriented, competitive and well rounded. There are many excellent public school environments, but they are only transitory, existing only briefly when the mix of teachers, students and parents happens to be just right. Private institutions are the solution if it is affordable. There is nothing more important for your kids than a good middle school and high school educational experience. Forgo the bigger home, nicer cars and costly vacations until your kids are out of high school and have earned scholarships to colleges. Then splurge on yourself, or at least until the grandkids show up. Good luck.
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curious2knownow replies:
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Awesome comment, thanks!
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curious2knownow says:
Michelle Rhee is a pure politician. She tries not to offend anyone and spews out a meaningless chain of words that communicate nothing. Anyone impressed?
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