CBS News/ August 6, 2011, 9:30 AM

Putting U.S. debt downgrade in perspective

Though Standard & Poor's downgraded the credit rating of the United States for the first time Friday, from the top AAA rating to AA-plus, two financial journalists agree the effect on financial markets will likely be short-lived.

On "The Early Show on Saturday Morning," Fortune magazine Assistant Managing Editor Leigh Gallagher told co-anchor Jeff Glor "you could say" the move was more "political" than economic.

"There's so much politics behind this." Gallagher explained, "politics in the sense that the main reason S&P did this is because of our inability to get things done. Literally, the wording in the press release when they issued the downgrade was our ability to make policy has been weakened.

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"So, this is not about us not being able to pay our debt. The U.S. will always be able to pay our debt. We can print money. So, it's not about that. It's about this brinksmanship that has led us to a point where we can't get anything done and that's had this impact on our credit rating."

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Wall Street Journal "Markets" columnist Kelly Evans pointed out that, "S&P actually had telegraphed that this was coming. They said, 'Look, if we don't get, for example, a $4 trillion reduction in the U.S. deficit projection over the next decade, we're probably going to go ahead with this downgrade, regardless of whether the debt ceiling itself is actually raised.' So, people on Wall Street have more or less known this was coming.

"And this is just one of three credit rating agencies. And I think it's important for retail investors to keep in mind that, while there might be some short-term reaction, while we might see some disruption to money market funds, we'll get more bad news on Monday as related securities are downgraded, it's not expected to have necessarily a long-term effect.

"And remember, rates on U.S. government debt, which are supposed to be the big thing where we see this play out, have been sinking rapidly over the last couple of weeks. We're paying 2.5 percent for ten years. That's hardly a sign that people are expecting those costs to suddenly skyrocket."

"We're AA-plus," Gallagher noted. "I think the expectation was that we were going to go to just AA. So, we're one notch ahead of what people expected. But the outlook is negative. And ... whatever the mechanics are, the pure psychological effect of this, after the two days in the market, with Thursday's 500-point drop, Friday's wild ride, things are very prone to skittishness."

"We will see some impact on markets," Evans predicted. "Investors can't really say what it's going to be, but I expect it to be more of a short-term move. You can look back to other countries, like Japan, like Australia, that have lost their AAA rating, and it hasn't really been a game-charger. You could argue that they're telling us something we've already knew."

There was also discussion about whether S&P was simply trying to make up for the mistake all three big credit rating agencies made before the financial crisis began by overrating many types of Wall Street securities, and about whether the other two big agencies, Moody's and Fitch, will piggyback S&P's move.

To see the entire interview, click on the video ant the top of this story.

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stevefrancis95 says:
The blame game about Friday's debt downgrade is getting very ugly. So far blame has been directed at the past administration, the weather and other acts of god, Europe, S&P, and of course each party by the other. What has been completely lacking are leaders wiling to stand up and take responsibility for their part of the mess and lay out a credible plan to restore fiscal health.


Monday could be a scary day. Collateral and reserves held by banks are often required to have a AAA grade rating by Fitch, Moody's and S&P. WIth the downgrade, many banks and investment institutions will be out of compliance with their regulatory and contractual obligations and this will likely trigger a rapid sell off of US government debt. Interest rates and yields will shoot up as a result. The worst case scenario is that a global panic ensues that leads to a contagious sell off of US debt, a failed US debt auction and a 200-300 bp increase in interest rates. Although this scenario is fairly unlikely, it is possible, and would be utterly catastrophic. 2007 would be a picnic by comparison.


The blame and politics surrounding the US downgrade make the likelihood of such an outcome far greater. This a unique opportunity for a politician to come forward who will "not tolerate" partisan attacks or political opportunism when it comes to issues of such importance. It is this type of leadership, more than anything else, that will reduce the chances of a catastrophic outcome.

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-LiftingSkirts- says:
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-LiftingSkirts- replies:
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the 20 min delay kills me
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nativeamericancitizen says:
Obama and the Democrats stubbornly ignored and viciously and violently attacked the "Tea Party" and did not cut, cap and balance! Now the rest of the world is giving the child Democrats a well deserved spanking! But will the Democrats take their medicine, repent and learn from their sin or will they continue to blame the adult "Tea Party" for their massive failure and sin? My money says the Democrats will continue to run head down at the brick wall of their rebellion of "Tea Party" truth, justice and righteousness! Obama and the Democrats spent over 5 trillion dollars in four years to Bush's 2 trillion in 6 years, if you exclude since 2007 when the Democrats controlled the House and Senate. "Aren't those facts a stubborn thing?" Ronald "the Great" Reagan. According to Joe Biden, "we must spend our way out of debt." Maybe the Democrats clung to the wrong Kenye-sian scheme, and should have listened to the "Tea Party" from day one. Or maybe the destruction of the free markets is what the Democrats really wanted from the beginning. You be the judge! If I wanted to destroy the free markets, financial independence and Christian America, I would have done everything the Democrats did so far. Come on Democrats, it's time to put down the Obama dolls and koolaide!
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nearl451 replies:
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Keynesian.

You may gain a little more repsect for your comments if you could at least spell the man's name correctly.

And what the Dems did since 2008 (not 2007) is extremely weak appkcation a Keynesian attempt at full employment. Much of the spending was direct insertion of cash into industry.

You are only continuing down the neoliberal economic (Reagan economics)ideas that died in 2008 and are attempting rebirth.

Fact is youhave no new ideas, but are regurgitating (and poorly at that) the refuted economic ideals of the last 30 years.
-LiftingSkirts- replies:
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He knows it's "Keynesian". He thinks he's being witty... Kenya-sian...you know, Kenya... Our POTUS' home country?

He understands the Laissez-faire vs Keynesian debate.

I just wish he's not repeat himself so often.
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nativeamericancitizen says:
Incoming, it's tea/truth time! Hit the bomb shelters and bunkers Democrats!

So, how did we get here and who did what and when?

Democrats Party goes on wild, insane 5 trillion dollar Kenye-sian spending spree since Jan, 2007, and brings economy right to the edge of the cliff. Joe Biden, "we have to spend our way out of debt." The anti-Tea Party Democrats wait to the very last minute of 800 days so they were able to create a dire situation around a possible default. The Democrats then hold the citizens hostage by "strapping bombs" to themselves and threatening to blow up everyone unless their credit card limit is raised. Republicans/"Tea Partiers" try in vain to pry the bomb detonator from the hand of the Democrat Party Jihadists. Republicans not knowing if the Democrat Party terrorists were bluffing, (Obama said to Republicans during the debt debate, "don't call my bluff), and not wanting the consequence for the working labor class, citizen taxpyer, if they were not, fold stronger "Tea Party" hand that would have neutralized the bomb and saved the economy. Within a few days after the deal with the Devil/Democrats is fully read and understood, the real mathematics of the economy deal Democrat Party failed Kenye-sian economic policies a mortal blow via a stock market crash and S&P downgrade! Now whose "crazy?" Ha!
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Berkeley-SkirtLifter replies:
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i'm sure paghre will call you a far right, teabagging extremist. I don't like seeing Americans calling each other such names e.g. ""Democrat Party terrorists"",""Democrat Party Jihadists"", but I UNDERSTAND IT!

Every time I point out, on this site, that we might have to reign in the spending, resulting in a bit of austerity, I get attacked a as Teabagging Extremist. The implication that budgeting will result in senior citizens and "our most vulnerable citzens" dying is absurd. There is plenty of fat to cut without hurting these people.

What the eff is so extreme about budgeting? I do it every month! Why can't the gov't? And why teabagging? Do they know what that means? It's rude. It's crass.

So when nativeAmericanCitizen uses some hyperbolic terms, don't be surprised.
nativeamericancitizen replies:
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Berkeley-SkirtLifter

During and after the "debt deal" Democrat politicians and their many operatives in the Obama mass media complex called the so-called Tea Party constitutional activists "terrorist's" "children" "Jihadist's" "crazy" etc. I was simply responding in kind, however my criticism is well founded and has solid merit to back it!
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nativeamericancitizen says:
It's cut, cap and balance stupid!

Many on the left continue in their childish, insane delusion and won't confront/accept the reality of the consequences of their sin. The stock market crash and S&P downgrade has absolutely nothing to do with the "last minute" deal or the contentious debates and/or negotiations, for this is not new to politics. It has everything to do with the content of the so-called "compromise." Under coercion and hostage taking Obama was given a blank check for over 2 trillion dollars. The spending cuts proposed are under 2 trillion over 10 years, and are not immediate. There is no definite spending cap related to G.N.P., and most importantly of all, the plan rejected by the Democrats to agree on a balance budget amendment, so we don't end up here again, was one of the main factors in the stock market crash and S&P downgrade. The business world doesn't believe the Democrats will deliver on fiscal sanity, unless they are required to by a binding agreement and amendment. The "Tea Party" deal that was passed in the House and violently rejected by Dirty Harry Reid would have prevented a stock market crash and S&P downgrade even though that didn't go near far enough to cut, cap and balance. Conclusion: Obama and the Democrats wholly own the stock market crash and S&P downgrade, even though as usual, try as they may to pass the blame!
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Berkeley-SkirtLifter replies:
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Well... A lot of the spending was TARP, QE1, QE2, you know, bailing out the rich. (which I despise) Some more of the spending was a couple of freakin' WARS! Yep... wars are expensive.

Now we all know this was ALL caused by GWB and the repubs... right?

That's what the lefties will say, "It's W's and Darth Cheney's wars." "GWB started all this bail out stuff for his rich cronies..." bla bla bla...

THis is what libs think! Well... THE LEFTY, LIBERALS, ARE IN POWER NOW! Yup... they have the Senate and the Exec.

But those pesky "teabaggers" in the House (what is it ... betweeen 68 and 88 members????) are messing everything up... right? It's all the teabaggers causing this downgrade... right?

What a bunch of crappola! I'm sick of it.

NativeAmericanCitizen is on the right track...
nearl451 replies:
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During a weak recovery? Where demand is the limiting factor? Youwant us to austerity or world economyinto depression.

Well, at least you got the "stupid" part down.
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Ihavemorals says:
This is all becasue the Tea Baggers and GOP would not agree to end the Bush era tax cuts in order to pay down the debt. Obama wanted a large deal to pay down the debt and the TP/GOP could not give up their wealthy slave-lords Bush tax-cuts.
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RobAla says:
There is just one "perspective" about the downgrade that is worthwhile; that is that the United States is going downhill, and that the downgrade confirms what most of us knew already - this is bad news. We have been warned by the CBO, the GAO, and President Obama's Deficit Commission that WHAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DOING IS UNSUSTAINABLE! This confirms it. We have to stop the insane massive deficit spending.
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jschmidt27 says:
Well you people wanted 'hope and change'. Now we are all hoping for a change.
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Molly-Pchr says:
Don't worry about it, people. They've put us through enough hell this summer, our elected soon-to-be unelected political hacks. Send them all home next elections. For now, it's Lucy's 100th, so go find a channel showing her hilarious stuff, have a good laugh, and give yourselves a break!!! Everything will be all right. We, the people, are the ones who always see to that. We just keep on keepin' on. Go watch Lucy. RIP Lucy, happy 100th! You're still a tonic.
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hairynews says:
Japan had a asset bubble from 1986-1991 when real estate prices fell 90% in Tokyo. From 1991-2001 the Japanese had what they call the lost decade with no growth to speak of, many include the years 2001-2010 in Japan because they never made up their lost equity. To this day Tokyo never got back their loses, over 20 YEARS! The earthquake really hit them hard and I wish them the best. Point is the USA is coming out of a housing bubble just like Japan, 1 in 4 homes were underwater in debt the day Obama took office. It will take years to get housing inventory off the market. It will take years to recoup 9-TRILLION in lost equity, your kids inheritance is gone. What our bought and paid for crooked politicians have done to America with this downgrade is an act of treason on our economy. By the time Christmas comes around in 4 months we will find out what this sucker punch has done to consumers who are on the ropes trying to make ends meet, it will not be good.
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