CBS News/ July 25, 2011, 9:27 AM

Boehner, Reid work on partisan debt plans

This morning the U.S. is another day closer to a potential default, and there is still no deal on raising the nation's debt ceiling.

On Friday House Speaker John Boehner said he was abandoning talks with the White House to focus on what he thought could be a deal that he could reach with congressional leaders. After a weekend of intense back-and-forth, we are now told that those talks have stalled, too, reports CBS News Congressional correspondent Nancy Cordes.

Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid confirmed the impasse in a written statement Sunday night.

"Talks broke down over Republicans' continued insistence on a short-term raise of the debt ceiling," he said, "which is something that President Obama, Leader Pelosi and I have been clear we would not support."

Now Reid and House Speaker John Boehner are finalizing dueling pieces of legislation.

"I would prefer to have a bipartisan approach to solve this problem," Boehner said on "Fox News Sunday." "If that is not possible, I and my Republican colleagues in the House are prepared to move on our own."

Boehner says his Republican bill would involve raising the debt ceiling in two stages: First, by about $1 trillion, in exchange for a trillion in spending cuts.

That would get the nation through about the next six months, at which point the debt ceiling could be raised again, if Congress identified more cuts.

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But Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner said a short-term increase would inject too much uncertainty into a weak economy.

"The most important thing is, we can't adopt an approach that leaves the threat of default hanging over the country for another six months or so - that would be deeply irresponsible," Geithner said on ABC' "This Week."

Reid's plan, on the other hand, would hike the debt ceiling through 2012, in exchange for $2.7 trillion in spending cuts.

Which sounds like a lot - but includes money not spent in Iraq and Afghanistan, which Republicans are likely to argue are not true cuts.

So, whose plan will prevail? In a conference call with House Republicans, Boehner told his fellow House Republicans, "I think we can win this for the American people," but added that "it's gonna require some of you to make some sacrifices. If we stand together as a team, our leverage is maximized, and they have to deal with us."

That last comment was probably directed at Republican Members who have said that they will not vote to raise the debt ceiling under any circumstances. Boehner will need their votes if he wants his legislation to win out in what is shaping up as a partisan showdown.

The lack of a deal will begin to have a psychological effect on markets this week, said Bloomberg Businessweek senior writer Roben Farzad, but consumers will be hit after the August 2nd deadline. "You're going to see banks not wanting to make loans. You're going to see car dealerships suddenly getting iffy about extending credit to you, and everybody is going to feel it.

"It's already a credit-starved economy; we know that. That's the chief complaint, that banks are not lending out there. You're just giving banks another reason to not lend there," Farzad said on "The Early Show." "If they can't take for granted the government is good for its obligations, if they don't see past August 2nd, if there's no visibility, everything stops."

Farzad also said it was a legitimate concern for pensioners and others who depend on government-issued check that they may not be paid. ,/P>

"As the Treasury Secretary - ultimately the guy who writes these checks out and cuts these checks - you're going to be at a fork in the road come August 2nd if an agreement isn't reached. Do we pay pensioners, people out there who require our entitlement obligations? Or do we pay our people who are crediting the U.S. government chiefly? You're not going to be able to do both unless there is an extension of the debt ceiling."

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Progress4U says:
by moveoutanddrawfire July 26, 2011 1:06 PM EDT
Why the Hell work?
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You better work Retarded Park Ranger!!!!! I'm not hooking up with you if you can't afford to keep me in the lifestyle I've become accustomed to! Now get your butt back to Wal-Mart and buy mama a new fur coat!
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Progress4U replies:
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I knew you'd get a kick out of that! :)
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WeHappyFew says:
Walmart is the largest employer in America. Walmart pushes down its salaries and purposely makes its healthcare unaffordable for the massed ranks of it's employees . Walmart's policies cost the government in Medicaid, S-CHIP, food stamps and housing. John Q. Taxpayer picks up the tab for employees. In the average store, it costs $2250 pp per annum in top up welfare.

If the government withdraws these benefits, people simply cannot afford to work at Walmart. Can anyone say INAUTHENTIC BUSINESS MODEL? So Walmart is essentially a state subsidized corporation

This should never have happened if America had been in possession of the requisite balls to enforce existing antitrust laws. Yes Walmart is breaking antitrust laws and getting clean away with it.

You can buy the rank BS of the 'free market' finding it's own level. For those who pay federal tax , the market is anything but 'free'.
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margroks says:
At this point I'm sick of Republican foot dragging. I think the president should make use of his Constitutional powers and raise the debt ceiling without the Tea Party naysayers. Screw 'em. They are dragging this country down with their extremist crap and I've had enough.
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Progress4U replies:
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Me too... Mr. President, envoke the 14th Amendment!!! Screw the GOP!!!!!
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Progress4U says:
by moveoutanddrawfire July 26, 2011 9:58 AM EDT
Me too "meboard"

Here's why we can't creat more
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We can't "creat jobs" because the GOP wont let us get a jobs bill passed.
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Progress4U says:
by moveoutanddrawfire July 26, 2011 9:57 AM EDT
I paid in blood for that "meboard"
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Didn't say anything about your blood Retard...do you get your Army Ret check and your DAV check from the government????
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arthanyel says:
I hope regular contributors are watching the discussions between myself and Mortarman. We clearly have very different points of view, and we have both been accused of being partisans (on each side) but what we are doing right now is rational discussion, fact based debate, and finding common ground - and we have found more common ground than anyone would have expected.

And THAT is what we need from our elected representatives - not hyper-partisanship, not political grandstanding, but bipartisan fact based discussions that put the labels aside in favor of saving our country. They will have strong, different opinions - because that is America. And what they arrive at as a mutually acceptable solution won't be what either extreme wants - in fact both extremes will probably be stridently unhappy if they get it right. But we elected those representatives to do a job and it's high time they put the labels aside and get to it.
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irish1919 replies:
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I don't want consrvatives to compromise(capitulate) wth socialists. I believe in Liberty not Tyrany. Which one of you believe in tyrany. We have been headed that way since this joke of a president has been in charge(when he is present) which I wish was less and less. Like gone in 2012.
arthanyel replies:
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Well, irish, that makes you part of the problem. Not only due to your lack of understanding about the current President and political environment, but because your point of view is held by a small minority of the voters, and therefore you don't get your way. You need to accept that there is a majority that disagrees with this hard line approach, so it's never going to happen, and focus on doing what's possible that can gain enough bipartisan support to get implemented.

Or you can move somewhere where your views are in the majority.
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thomasmc1957 says:
Fear not, everything is going exactly according the plan ordered by the Filthy Rich owners of the GOP. When the market tumbles, they will buy up securities for pennies on the dollar, then the Republicans will raise the debt ceiling, the markets will recover, and the Filthy Rich will have made many billions of dollars in profits.
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harv823 says:
I hope that Harry Reid's option passes. If not, then the President should invoke the 14th Amendment. When is the President finally going to realize that Republicans (known as the party of NO) are just puppets for the wealthy and the oil companies. Their agenda is to take money from the middle class and keep the middle class and poor "in their place".
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jschmidt27 replies:
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Seems like the Dems are the party of NO know. They don't want to cut. They are playing politics with this and SS checks.
arthanyel replies:
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jschmidt - once again, false. The Democrats are happy to make cuts - in defense, in corporate welfare, and in pharma industry giveaways in Medicare. They just don't like the cuts YOU want.

Since the Republicans are refusing to negotiate and refusing to do anything that resembles bi-partisanship, what Reid will put forward is a plan that meets the Republican stupid ultimatum that debt ceiling increases be matched by spending cuts - but those cuts will be 100% Democratic priorities, cutting defense, cutting corporate subsidies, and not touching Social Security or Medicare. He will call the Republican bluff by handing them a plan that exactly meets their stated demands - while it cuts out everything the Republicans actually want, and then dare them to vote it down to reveal their hypocrisy

And unfortunately because they ARE hypocrites, and are not really interested in solving this problem, they probably WILL vote it down.

So we're going to end up with the Constitutional option, and Obama will raise the debt ceiling unilaterally under the 14th amendment and throw the ball to the courts while they continue to work on a real solution.
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IMP578 says:
When was the last time Boehner was drug tested? Every time he appears on TV he slurrs his speach and cries. How embarrassing! A drunk in charge of saving the economy. We need a tax increase, flat rate tax and Republicans that quit harrassing the President. Send Boehner to rehab.
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jgg000101 replies:
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actually, when was the last time obama was drug tested?
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jab232 says:
I don't think Boehner has the votes to pass any increase in the debt ceiling. The Tea Party Caucus in the House has 50 or so members. They have said they won't vote for any increase in the debt ceiling. Reid's plan is $2.7 trillion in cuts, no increases in taxes, and no changes in Social Security or Medicare with the debt ceiling raised enough so that there doesn't have to be another vote until 2013.

That proposal sounds excellent to me. It should stabilize the markets and then let the people themselves vote. People can vote either for Republicans or Democrats depending on which approach to government they prefer.
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arthanyel replies:
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Since the Republicans are refusing to negotiate and refusing to do anything that resembles bi-partisanship, what Reid will put forward is a plan that meets the Republican stupid ultimatum that debt ceiling increases be matched by spending cuts - but those cuts will be 100% Democratic priorities, cutting defense, cutting corporate subsidies, and not touching Social Security or Medicare. He will call the Republican bluff by handing them a plan that exactly meets their stated demands - while it cuts out everything the Republicans actually want, and then dare them to vote it down to reveal their hypocrisy

And unfortunately because they ARE hypocrites, and are not really interested in solving this problem, they probably WILL vote it down.

So we're going to end up with the Constitutional option, and Obama will raise the debt ceiling unilaterally under the 14th amendment and throw the ball to the courts while they continue to work on a real solution.
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