U.S. F-15 fighter jet down in Libya, crew "safe"
BU MARIEM, Libya - An American fighter jet crashed in Libya's rebel held east, both crew ejecting safely as the aircraft spun from the sky during the third night of the U.S. and European air campaign. Muammar Qaddafi's forces shelled rebels regrouping in the dunes outside a key eastern city on Tuesday, and his snipers and tanks roamed the last major opposition-held city in the west.
The crash was the first major loss for the U.S. and European military air campaign, which over three nights appears to have hobbled Qaddafi's air defenses and artillery and rescued the rebels from impending defeat. But the opposition force, with more enthusiasm than discipline, has struggled to exploit the gains. The international alliance, too, has shown fractures as officials struggle to articulate an endgame.
China and Russia, which abstained from the U.N. Security Council vote authorizing the international intervention, called for a cease-fire Tuesday, after a night when international strikes hit Tripoli, destroying a military seaport in the capital.
Complete coverage: Anger in the Arab WorldThe U.S. Air Force F-15E came down in field of winter wheat and thistles outside the town of Bu Mariem, about 24 miles east of the rebel capital of Benghazi.
By Tuesday afternoon, the plane's body was mostly burned to ash, with only the wings and tail fins intact. U.S. officials say both crewmembers were safe in American hands.
"I saw the plane spinning round and round as it came down," said Mahdi el-Amruni, who rushed to the crash site with other villagers. "It was in flames. They died away, then it burst in to flames again."
One of the pilots parachuted into a rocky field and hid in a sheep pen on Hamid Moussa el-Amruni's family farm.
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"We didn't think it was an American plane. We thought it was a Qaddafi plane. We started calling out to the pilot, but we only speak Arabic. We looked for him and found the parachute. A villager came who spoke English and he called out 'we are here, we are with the rebels' and then the man came out," Hamid Moussa el-Amruni said.
The pilot left in a car with the Benghazi national council, taking with him the water and juice the family provided. They kept his helmet and the parachute.
A second plane reportedly strafed the field where the pilot went down. Hamid Moussa el-Amruni himself said he was shot, suffering shrapnel wounds in his leg and back, but he still able to walk. He used an old broomstick as a crutch and said he held no grudge, believing it was an accident.
Other accounts differed as to injuries.
CBS's Mandy Clark arrived at the scene and spoke to an eyewitness, who said there was some firing but absolutely no one was injured.
"He said he would understand why there might be firing if the Americans were on the ground," Clark told CBS Radio News.
"He certainly didn't think the shooting was against civilians , perhaps more of a warning firing to tell people to back off and stay away from the wreckage and to stay away from the pilot and the weapons officer," Clark said.
Another witness told Clark that the Americans fired on their own plane that was down, perhaps in an effort to destroy it so none of the weaponry or technology could be seized by other forces.
Witnesses told Clark that right after the plane crashed, there were flares shot by other planes, which can sometimes serve as a a warning for civilians to stay away from an area. These villagers were not aware of that.
A high-ranking Navy officer tells CBS News Correspondent David Martin an investigation is underway into the rescue.
During a briefing Tuesday, Admiral Samuel Locklear, refused to address reports that several Libyan civilians were shot by the crew of a Marine Osprey aircraft during the rescue.
Locklear did say, "the recovery mission was executed as I would have expected it to be, given the circumstances."
El-Amruni said the second crew member came down in a different field and was picked up by a helicopter, an account that coincided with the U.S. explanation of the rescue.
The U.S. Africa Command said both crewmembers were in American hands with minor injuries after what was believed to be a mechanical failure.
Most of eastern Libya, where the plane crashed, is in rebel hands but the force has struggled to take advantage of the gains from the international air campaign.
Ajdabiya, city of 140,000 that is the gateway to the east, has been under siege for a week. Outside the city, a ragtag band of hundreds of fighters milled about on Tuesday, clutching mortars, grenades and assault rifles. Some wore khaki fatigues. One man sported a bright white studded belt.
Some men clambered up power lines in the rolling sand dunes of the desert, squinting as they tried to see Qaddafi's forces inside the city. The group periodically came under artillery attacks, some men scattering and others holding their ground.
"Qaddafi is killing civilians inside Ajdabiya," said Khaled Hamid, a rebel who said he been in Qaddafi's forces but defected to the rebels. "Today we will enter Ajdabiya, God willing."
Since the uprising began on Feb. 15, the opposition has been made up of disparate groups even as it took control of the entire east of the country. Regular army units that joined the rebellion have proven stronger and more organized, but only a few units have joined the battles while many have stayed behind as officers try to coordinate a force with often antiquated, limited equipment.
The rebels pushed into the west of the country in recent weeks, only to fall back to their eastern strongholds in the face of Qaddafi's superior firepower.
Misrata, Libya's third-largest city and the last major western redoubt for the rebels, was being bombarded by Qaddafi's forces on Tuesday, his tanks and snipers controlling the streets, according to a doctor there who said civilians were surviving on dwindling supplies of food and water, desperately in search of shelter.
Speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of reprisals if the city falls to Qaddafi's troops, he accused international forces of failing to protect civilians as promised under the United Nations resolution authorizing military action in Libya.
"Snipers are everywhere in Misrata, shooting anyone who walks by while the world is still watching," he said. "The situation is going from bad to worse. We can do nothing but wait. Sometimes we depend on one meal per day."
Mokhtar Ali, a Libyan dissident in exile elsewhere in the Mideast, said he was in touch with his father in Misrata and described increasingly dire conditions.
"Residents live on canned food and rainwater tanks," Ali said. He said Qaddafi's brigades storm residential areas knowing that they won't be bombed there. "People live in total darkness in terms of communications and electricity."
Monday night, Libyan state TV said a new round of strikes had begun in Tripoli, marking the third night of bombardment. Col. Abdel-Baset Ali, operations officer in the port, said the strikes caused millions of dollars in losses, but no human casualties
Warehouses containing military equipment were hit, apparently by missiles that punched through a corrugated roof and left a crater in one building. Four trucks loaded with rocket launchers were destroyed, as was other transportation and equipment.
But while the airstrikes can stop Qaddafi's troops from attacking rebel cities -- in line with the U.N. mandate to protect civilians -- the United States, at least, appeared deeply reluctant to go beyond that toward actively helping the rebel cause to oust the Libyan leader.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and others said the U.S. military's role will lessen in coming days as other countries take on more missions and the need declines for large-scale offensive action like the barrage of Tomahawk cruise missiles fired mainly by U.S. ships and submarines off Libya's coast.
A senior defense official, speaking on condition of anonymity to discuss classified data, said Monday that the attacks thus far had reduced Libya's air defense capabilities by more than 50 percent. That has enabled the coalition to focus more on extending the no-fly zone, which is now mainly over the coastal waters off Libya and around the rebel stronghold of Benghazi in the east, across the country to the Tripoli area this week.
In his first public comments on the crisis, Army Gen. Carter Ham, the lead U.S. commander, said it was possible that Qaddafi might retain power.
"I don't think anyone would say that is ideal," the general said Monday, foreseeing a possible outcome that stands in contrast to President Obama's declaration that Qaddafi must go.
The Libyan leader has ruled the North African nation for more than four decades and was a target of American air attacks in 1986.
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Also to the brain dead that keep blaming the republicans which I am not one ,even if it is fair to say they are partly to blame you can not dispute the truth. The demos have held control of the congress 36 of the last 50 years. So what ever problems America has it is clearly at the Demos door step far more than the Republicans. Now of the 14 years the GOP had the congress what happened ? Well in the 1990's they gave us a balanced budget. When have the Demos done that?
Of course, you will take any little tidbit and blow it out of proportion in your constant assault on this POTUS. That's okay, he isn't hurt by your propaganda and people who will vote for him are not going to change their mind because of your opinions even if they are said over and over -- it is not difficult to see where you stand, and a lot of Americans do not stand with you.
Biden's comment on impeachment was about Bush and was clearly about the false information used to invade another country. You have also taken that one out of context. It does not apply to this situation in Libya. But again, okay, keep up the sort of ugly rhetoric that will, of course, come back on you. Seriously, it matters nothing to either VP Biden or those that would vote for him.
Bottom Line: Each of you has the right to say what you want on these issues but all you have in the way of power is one vote. One vote, just like each and every American citizen. Nothing more, nothing less.
not as a one-time partisan statement, that changes and blows in the wind, depending on the circumstances, or a different party is in office.
So he was gung-ho for impeachment when Bush did it, but not when Obama does the same thing......this isn't ugly rhetoric, it's ugly hypocrisy by the VP
Actually Obama himself said (as a senator) that the President couldn't do, what he just did himself.....if you get that.
The situations are different, so the comments you are trying to make into something to feed your consistent anti-Obama/Dems/liberals viewpoint do not apply.
Biden said something about Bush that applied to Bush only. It is not the same thing happening today. Period end of paragraph.
Since you refuse to acccept that, I think david4683's comment applies to you 120%.
You can complain and try to make things into something different than they are (and were), but you only have the power of one vote
(great point david!)
Thousands of Christians have been forced to flee their homes in Western Ethiopia after Muslim extremists set fire to roughly 50 churches and dozens of Christian homes.
At least one Christian has been killed, many more have been injured and anywhere from 3,000 to 10,000 have been displaced in the attacks that began March 2 after a Christian in the community of Asendabo was accused of desecrating the Koran.
This liberal gangster is proud of Obama. He just be killing everybody while he be playing golf and shi---t. Cold the man is Chicago style gangster cold.
I don't care if Qaddaffi is still in power or not.
In no way, shape, or form does it affect me.
LOL!
So why are you and Obama killing all of those people then?
How many have died, and what were they doing when they died?
It's not my fault that you're ignorant of how the UN and NATO work.
LOL!
I know exactly how they work. The UN does not have any soverign power over any country and NATO only shows up if someone else is paying the bill.
You and Obama have stirred up the "Hornets Nest" for nothing.
I thought you said that you understand how they work?
Apparently not....
I'll take a "cautious and consultative commander-in-chief" (like Obama), over a "strong and decisive military leader" (like Bush) ANYDAY!!!!
LOL!
Thats because your a fool hungry1968. At the end of this boondogle Gaddafi will still be in power.
For every bomb you and Obama drop Gaddafi kills 1000 innocent civilians. The blood is on your hands this time.
In no way, shape, or form does it affect me.
Were not at war with Libya.
This FACT renders your whole point moot.
LOL!
So by your and Obama's logic, anyone can bomb anyone and not be at war with them right? So what is it then? A police action?
You are Obama's fool.
Every comment that assumes otherwise comes from people that are either ignorantly or willfully refusing to understand the facts.
President Bush 41, for instance, got Congressional approval for the first Gulf war and his son did the same for the Iraq and Afghanistan wars.
The best argument for doing so is not legal but political. Wars, even small and limited ones, can be politically corrosive and a President is on safer ground if Congress has approved. And such approval is a signal of unity to the enemy that can be militarily helpful.
So far, President Obama has not asked Congress to bless his Libya adventure, but he would be wise to do so, not least because it would bring his current actions more into line with his -- and his Vice President's -- previous pronouncements.
This FACT renders your whole point moot.
WeHappyFew,
Impressive but what is your angle here involving this man made river project?
Then he will be ousted.
By his own people.
"civilian populace".....you mean those Muslim Brotherhood Members carrying 5 RPG's on their backs, riding on machine-gun armed trucks attacking the Libyian government forces.....oh, those "civilians"
You are correct, WHF --- it is so refreshing to see a comment that is taking the entire situation into account, instead of just spouting the propaganda of the day from the same old biased people, that only seem to care about American political divides.