November 2, 2010 8:21 PM

Boxer, Fiorina Square Off in First Debate

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(AP)  After a summer of firing campaign shots from afar, Democratic Sen. Barbara Boxer and Republican challenger Carly Fiorina met on the same stage for the first time Wednesday over who best represents California's economic interests for the next six years.

During the hourlong debate in which both women exchanged feisty jabs, Fiorina called Boxer an agent of big government spending, taxes and policies that strangled America's entrepreneurial spirit. Boxer fired back by criticizing Fiorina for serving the interests of "billionaires, millionaires and companies that outsource jobs," rather than average Americans.

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The recession and how to turn around California's 12.3 percent jobless rate dominated the debate at St. Mary's College in the eastern San Francisco Bay area city of Moraga. The forum also allowed the women to contrast their differences on a number of other topics, including abortion, immigration, gay marriage and global warming.

Boxer's campaign indicated a second debate could be announced within days.

Both candidates have a reputation for toughness and for not backing down - Boxer as an unabashed liberal who voted against the Iraq war, and Fiorina as someone who rose to the top of American business at a time when it was rare to see a woman in the chief executive's suite.

"This election is between someone who's fighting for jobs day in, day out - jobs right here in America, versus someone when she had the chance laid off 30,000 workers and shipped jobs to China," Boxer said. "This election is about someone who's working hard so that we can see the words 'Made in America' again and someone who is proud of her time at HP when she stamped 'Made in China, Made in India' on their products."

Fiorina, who led Hewlett-Packard Co. from 1999 to 2005, said she offered a prescription of smaller government and tax cuts to benefit small- and family-owned businesses.

"If you look at Sen. Boxer's long track record of 28 years in Washington, D.C., you will see this: She is for more taxes, she is for more spending, she is for more regulation, and she is also for big government and elite extreme environmental groups," Fiorina said.

Boxer is running in an anti-incumbent environment in which Republicans are highly motivated and faces a female candidate for the first time as a senator, throwing a new dynamic into her campaign.

Fiorina has a 12-to-1 fundraising disadvantage to Boxer and needed to make a favorable impression on voters who mostly know her as the CEO who was ousted from the iconic Silicon Valley company. Because Republicans are less than a third of registered voters in California, she must find a way to appeal to the 20 percent of voters who are independent.

On many of the contentious issues, Fiorina said she would defer to the decision of California voters despite her personal conservative views. She said she disagreed that the will of the voters could be overturned by a judge, referring to a recent federal ruling against Proposition 8, the 2008 ballot initiative that banned gay marriage in California.

She said she would like to see Roe v. Wade, the Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion, overturned. Fiorina also has said she supports expanded offshore drilling despite the oil spill in the Gulf.

Boxer called for comprehensive immigration reform while Fiorina, who supports Arizona's immigration law, blamed the federal government for failing to secure the U.S.-Mexico border.

Fiorina, however, said she supports the Dream Act, a federal bill that would allow young illegal immigrants a pathway to citizenship by graduating from college or trade school, or serving in the military. Fiorina said it is unfair to "punish children who through no fault of their own are here trying to live the American dream."

At one point Fiorina said it was unfair for Boxer to use the company, a Silicon Valley icon, against her. Boxer responded that it was Fiorina who was running on her record at HP.

"She's running on her record as the former CEO of Hewlett-Packard, so what she did there counts," Boxer said. "And I'm going to keep on telling the truth about it."

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by NGRichardson September 2, 2010 4:22 PM EDT
I have followed Cal pols voting record for quite a few years now. Barbra Boxer votes for the good of the people not those who have large financial interest in the bill.
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by stormerF3 September 2, 2010 3:21 PM EDT
ALL you bedwetters voted for change so lets see some change.How about a novel idea, out with the incumbant,then if you have a problem with Fiorina you can throw her out at the next election. If you never make changes you give up your right to whine and complain about the lack of positive changes, that need to take place to make California great again and stop it from becoming a nanny state.
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by NGRichardson September 2, 2010 4:15 PM EDT
Stormer you never had an original idea in your life, nothing but teabag and fox stupidity. Another whimp who likes to talk tough.
by 34sender September 2, 2010 8:39 PM EDT
Change is a lot of things... not just some screed of anti-incumbent crap.

Haven't you noticed that 90% (+) of incumbents won their primary races, stormer?

That dog has lost it's bite ... the media is just behind the ball on it... I guess hysteria sells.

Barbara Boxer will win. We are not dimwitted tea party followers in CA (it is a very small contingent here... maybe the ocean blows the steam off their fear and loathing brew...ha!)
by NGRichardson September 2, 2010 3:19 PM EDT
That is because you have only a casual understanding of government and the facts involved.
I don't mean to be demeaning, but it's obvious that you have only recently become interested in politics; probably because of our current mess.

I move to California in 1955, then Jerry Browns father Pat, was in office, then we had the best schools, the most respected Police, it was really a nice place to live.

Ronald Reagen looked good gave good speeches seemed really good, at first. Problem's: State income taxes dropped and sales tax and all the other taxes way went up. The price of attending a State University went from almost nothing to forcing more and more out every year. The wealthy had a lot more money to spend but things were getting more difficult for everyone else. Not many people are willing to peacefully go, with out necessity's; so the crime rate goes up. (Blue collar crime is a crime of necessity, white collar crime is a crime of greed.)

Republicans can't stand money surpluses at the end of the year; so we are never prepared for catastrophes, if Ron hadn't left us with a 6Trillion debt as president (still on the books and costing us 20% of our fed tax every year just to pay the interest), G.W.Bushes doubling of the National debt would not have caused the problems we now have.

You want a tax break? don't vote republican. No Politician spends like a Republican, they just leave it for a Dem who is sure to follow to cover for their gift giving.
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by antiglobal5 September 2, 2010 1:13 PM EDT
we should make then get in a ring and fight each other. how funny would it be seeing these two pound the tar out of each other. I can tell you one thing, if we were to make them fight they would be much more reluctant to lie about each other knowing they would have to back it up with fists in the end.
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by 34sender September 2, 2010 12:28 PM EDT
Barbara Boxer clearly has the best interests of the country and California at heart.

I am not sure Fiorina has a heart. She was so phony in this debate -- crying "crocodile tears" about "how could Boxer run down such a CA institution like Hewlett Packard"..... uh, Carly, you made your tenure there your whole schtick. Well, not the whole thing, just the basis. Let's add guns in the hands of terrorists on airplanes, making women criminals for their choices, allowing the potential destruction of the coast of California and one of the most consistent job creating industries here... tourism -- I could go on, but I have confidence in Californians. We don't buy what this woman is selling. (Even many Republicans are aghast, cue Tom Campbell and his supporters...)

Plus, don't the rest of us understand that we need to study up on the company/entity we are applying to when we seek to be hired for a job. The US Senate is a job given by voters.
Fiorina was so clearly uninformed about how the US Senate works (and even how government works in general) -- she showed no aptitude for this important part of job application. How can she create jobs when she doesn't even know how to apply for one?

California is home to some of the most vibrant business in the country -- it is not just a "big government" place. That's ridiculous -- the 8th largest economy in the world is NOT a failure of government and business working together.

WE will send a proven champion for "Made in America" to the United States Senate, we won't send a failed CEO who off-shored thousands of jobs, then took the money and ran.
We will send Barbara Boxer. (We hope other states are as kind and thoughtful for all Americans ... you listening Washington, Nevada, Kentucky, hey... even Alaska -- that Sitka mayor seems like an honorable and stable man...!)
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by stormerF3 September 2, 2010 3:09 PM EDT
Glad your still at the koolaid bowl,that keeps others away from the lying left.
by 34sender September 2, 2010 8:45 PM EDT
You know what?

I am sick of this "kool aid" reference. It sickens me, the utter insensitivity of you right wing tools.

People lost loved ones and Americans were murdered (from the drink and the bullets) by a crazy person named Jim Jones.

For you sicko creeps to use this as a political insult is depraved anbd despicable.

Just one more reason why conservatives have NO moral integrity!

Take that and put it in your hypocrites-r-us team manual, stormer!
by ballastwater September 2, 2010 12:03 PM EDT
Senator BOXER KILLED more JOBS in 2008 than we could have handled, perhaps allowing jobs to have spilled into Mexico curtailing violence. The following is a report for Congress in DEC 2009 that explains that national ballast water legislation would do the same thing as tariffs. ?Although estimates of the costs of ballast treatment may be imprecise and vary from vessel to
vessel, there is some general agreement on average costs.14 For example, it may cost an estimated $400,000 per vessel for modification of container/bulk vessels to use onshore ballast water treatment facilities at California ports. More generally, the cost of retrofitting vessels to treat
ballast water has been estimated at between $200,000 and $310,000 per vessel for mechanical
treatment and around $300,000 for chemical treatment.15 Most of this expense will be borne by
foreign shipping companies, as the U.S. flag fleet is a small percentage of the global fleet,16 and
likely passed along to consumers of products imported on these ships.?Now all we have is a Military plan. She has forced the states into legislative competition with each other while dealing with an international organization of primarily foreign economic interest. (IMO) Sadly she has promoted the grandiose plan of economic globalization over economic Americanization as a way to create jobs
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by 34sender September 2, 2010 12:34 PM EDT
Cite your source in an obvious copy and paste.

People have the right to judge the validity of your information ... "a report FOR Congress" could be anything or anyone speaking. Did you think we are all so ignorant we'd think you refer to a "report FROM Congress"?

The right wing can't win on facts, so they use distortion and tactics like the above poster... confuse people, incite fear, do anything to win EXCEPT have sound policies for America's future.

No to the political/religious far right wing. I can only hope the Republican party recovers from their hard pivot to the right. I actually like a two party government, but I despise what Republicans NOW portray!
by Charlesmconn September 2, 2010 11:58 AM EDT
The content of the debate sort of reminded me of when I was studying Roman history in school. At first the Romans gave great speeches and beautiful building, then they began to provide entertainment to distract the masses and finally at the end they started pandering to every crack pot group that promised to support a particular candidate for emperor. I am afraid we just entered the pandering phase in the rise and now fall of the American Empire. What gives majority rules whether it is right or wrong, take away rights using an ?activist? court, what next will the Cesar candidates start throwing gold coins at the masses! ?Justsain?
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by Bisk1 September 2, 2010 11:36 AM EDT
Fiorina is such a FOOOLLL ..... an Oil rig just blew up in the gulf of mexico and this very Dumb Repug seem not to care, wnating to expand offshore drilling when oil wells are being capped and left alone by the oil companies. Dumb Dumb Repugs !!
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by stormerF3 September 2, 2010 3:13 PM EDT
Bisk1,... your turn to step and stop using oil products. No more plastic,fuel,paint,cleaners,pesticides,herbicides,clothing,shoes,or medicine. As soon as you stop using those products you can be a true bedwetting liberal lefty with the right to condemn off shore drilling.
by stn_sage September 2, 2010 11:16 AM EDT
This California race resembles many around the country,
in that, neither 'major' party candidate (Dem or Rep),
is particularly desirable!

Californians, you have my sympathy! Good luck.
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by stormerF3 September 2, 2010 3:15 PM EDT
Out with the incumbant,best idea of all.If you don't like Fiorina you can replace her next election,but if you never try change how can you whine and complain about the current situation?
by stn_sage September 2, 2010 11:57 PM EDT
I tend to agree it's time to 'out' the incumbents.
But, if the other major party candidate is very likely NOT
going to work to get anything done...I'd rather see an alternate
party person get elected!
by wfw3536 September 2, 2010 11:10 AM EDT
Time to throw Boxer out of office. She has done little for her state and just spends most of her time in DC with the fat cats while CA is sinking with terrible unemployment rates. This womem only cares about herself and being a senator so she can be part of the club. We need someone who has some new ideas and will do something.
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by NGRichardson September 2, 2010 4:27 PM EDT
you don't what shes done for this state, you don't follow politics you follow Fox News and that shyt head Glen Beck
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