August 19, 2010 2:08 PM

Fact Check: The "Ground Zero Mosque" Debate

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(AP)  A New York imam and his proposed mosque near ground zero are being demonized by political candidates - mostly Republicans - despite the fact that Islam is already very much a part of the World Trade Center neighborhood. And that Muslims pray inside the Pentagon, too, less than 80 feet from where terrorists attacked.

And that the imam who's being branded an extremist has been valued by both Republican and Democratic administrations as a moderate face of the faith.

Even so, the project stirs complicated emotions, and Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf is a complex figure who defies easy categorization in the American Muslim world.

He's devoted much of his career to working closely with Christians, Jews and secular leaders to advance interfaith understanding. He's scolded his own religion for being in some ways in the "Dark Ages." Yet he's also accused the U.S. of spilling more innocent blood than al Qaeda, the terrorist network that turned the World Trade Center, part of the Pentagon and four hijacked airplanes to apocalyptic rubble.

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Many Republicans and some Democrats say the proposed $100 million Islamic cultural center and mosque should be built elsewhere, where there is no possible association with New York's ground zero. Far more than a local zoning issue, the matter has seized congressional campaigns, put President Barack Obama and his party on the spot - he says Muslims have the right to build the mosque - divided families of the Sept. 11, 2001, victims, caught the attention of Muslims abroad and threatened to blur distinctions between mainstream Islam in the U.S. and its radical elements.

A look at some of the claims and how they compare with the known facts:

"The folks who want to build this mosque - who are really radical Islamists who want to triumphally prove that they can build a mosque right next to a place where 3,000 Americans were killed by radical Islamists - those folks don't have any interest in reaching out to the community. They're trying to make a case about supremacy." - Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich, a potential 2012 presidential candidate.

Some of the Muslim leaders associated with the mosque "are clearly terrorist sympathizers." - Kevin Calvey, a Republican running for Congress in Oklahoma.

"This radical is a terrible choice to be one of the faces of our country overseas." - Statement by GOP Reps. Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Peter King of New York.

THE FACTS:

No one has established a link between the cleric and radicals. New York Police Department spokesman Paul Browne said, "We've identified no law enforcement issues related to the proposed mosque."

Ros-Lehtinen and King were referring to the State Department's plan, predating the mosque debate, to send Rauf on another religious outreach trip to the Middle East as part of his "long-term relationship" with U.S. officials in the Bush and Obama administrations. The State Department said Wednesday it will pay him $3,000 for a trip costing the government $16,000.

Rauf counts former Secretary of State Madeleine Albright from the Clinton administration as a friend and appeared at events overseas or meetings in Washington with former President George W. Bush's secretary of state, Condoleezza Rice, and Bush adviser Karen Hughes.

He has denounced the terrorist attacks and suicide bombing as anti-Islamic and has criticized Muslim nationalism. But he's made provocative statements about America, too, calling it an "accessory" to the 9/11 attacks and attributing the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi children to the U.S.-led sanctions in the years before the invasion.

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In a July 2005 speech at the Bob Hawke Prime Ministerial Center in Adelaide, Australia, Rauf said, according to the center's transcript:

"We tend to forget, in the West, that the United States has more Muslim blood on its hands than al Qaeda has on its hands of innocent non-Muslims."

While calling terrorism unjustified, he said the U.S. has supported authoritarian regimes with heinous human rights records and, faced with that, "how else do people get attention?"

In the same address, he spoke of prospects for peace between Palestinians and the Israelis - who he said "have moved beyond Zionism" - and of a love-your-neighbor ethic uniting all religions.




"Mr. President, ground zero is the wrong place for a mosque." - Rick Scott, Republican candidate for Florida governor.

"Nazis don't have the right to put up a sign next to the Holocaust Museum in Washington. We would never accept the Japanese putting up a site next to Pearl Harbor. There's no reason for us to accept a mosque next to the World Trade Center." - Gingrich.

"Just a block or two away from 9/11." - Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin, another 2012 GOP presidential prospect.

THE FACTS:

No mosque is going up at ground zero. The center would be established at 45-51 Park Place, just over two blocks from the northern edge of the sprawling, 16-acre World Trade Center site. Its location is roughly half a dozen normal lower Manhattan blocks from the site of the North Tower, the nearer of the two destroyed in the attacks.

The center's location, in a former Burlington Coat Factory store, is already used by the cleric for worship, drawing a spillover from the imam's former main place for prayers, the al-Farah mosque. That mosque, at 245 West Broadway, is about a dozen blocks north of the World Trade Center grounds.

Another, the Manhattan Mosque, stands five blocks from the northeast corner of the World Trade Center site.

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To be sure, the center's association with 9/11 is intentional and its location is no geographic coincidence. The building was damaged in the Sept. 11 attacks and the center's planners say they want the center to stand as a statement against terrorism.




"There should be no mosque near ground zero in New York so long as there are no churches or synagogues in Saudi Arabia. ... America is experiencing an Islamist cultural-political offensive designed to undermine and destroy our civilization." - Gingrich.

"This religion's plan is to destroy our way of life. ... If we have to let them build it, make them build it nine stories underground, so we can walk above it as citizens and Christians." - Ron McNeil, a House GOP candidate in the Florida Panhandle, in an exchange reported by The News Herald in Panama City.

THE FACTS:

Such opinions are shared by some Americans, while others are more reluctant to paint the religion with a broad brush and more welcoming of the faith in this country. Bush, himself, while criticized at the time for stirring suspicions about American Muslims, traveled to a Washington mosque less than a week after the attacks to declare that terrorism is "not what Islam is all about. Islam is peace."

In any event, the U.S. armed forces field Muslim troops and make accommodations for them. The Pentagon opened an interfaith chapel in November 2002 close to the area where hijacked American Airlines Flight 77 slammed into the building, killing 184 people.

Muslims gather there for a daily prayer service Monday through Thursday and hold a weekly worship service on Fridays, drawing no complaints. Similar but separate services are provided for other faiths.

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by SamMoore3 September 13, 2010 11:33 AM EDT
I hear the question a lot from either side: What do YOU stand for?

Yet when I answer them, I stand for a united people, not just of America but of the world, it is unsatisfactory.

It simply isn't what people want to hear.

What we must begin to realize is that our most crucial emotions have been hijacked by a flexible and thin moral fiber that smokescreens itself behind traditional values and freedom of speech.

It isn't good enough anymore to demand freedom for ourselves to say whatever we wish, when, by the very same freedoms, we deny liberty to whomever we wish.

Understandably, victims of 9/11 and the global community as well, will be emotionally vulnerable and afraid for a long time to come. But, as a people, we have allowed punditry and politics - values that were of no import or use the day of 9/11 - to manipulate these potent emotions for selfish gains.

Sarah Palin, Newt Gingrich, Oliver North, Michael Savage, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh...these are not the people with whom we ought to identify. We should identify with each other.

And we should never forget that the true spirit of 9/11 was not politics, votes, taxes, immigration policies or religious freedoms;

It was the condition and victory of sacrifice and of human empathy.
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by sasboy-2009 August 24, 2010 6:02 PM EDT
Most African Americans would not vote for the GOP due to their racially provocative attacks against President Obama.

Hispanics are leaving the party due to its hardline immigration policies.

Asian Americans were alienated by John MacCain proclamation he hated ``*****''

Now we can add Muslims to the fairly long list of communities that are going to leave the Republican party in droves.
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by KeithL2 August 24, 2010 5:28 AM EDT
It is the leftist haters of DEBATE that weaken us. If you are certain of your values drop the Phony political correctness doctrine. YOU are NOT the sole arbiters of truth. Frankly you wouldn't know the truth if it smacked you in the face.
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by KeithL2 August 24, 2010 5:23 AM EDT
This mosque is nothing but an attempt to stir up hatreds and dividionsd.... I do not buy into the Liberal midsdirection here.
Its about assaulting our traditional values and truths with counterfits and fakes, And trying to equate the two. I make a clear distinction between Christianity and Islam. First Christianity came first. Secondly I am taught as a christian to love the unbeliever and not to Kill the infidel.....

Is evil done every day in thename of God?
you bet. A values driven critique of bankrupt POLITICAL agendas (liberals most often) is NOT intolerance of people but of vacant posturing and Dimocratic psuedo intellectualism.
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by kanaskat August 23, 2010 1:08 PM EDT
There are no FACTS in your claims. It is simply information open to interpretation.
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by pragmatist1 August 19, 2010 3:05 PM EDT
I don't think the taxpayer should foot the bill for sending the cleric behind this center to the Middle East as a representative of the U.S. government to drum up support and understanding that the U.S. is tolerant of Muslims. Imagine the outrage by the left if the government were to pay for sending a Jew or Christian to the Middle East for the same reasons, or better yet, to plead for religious tolerance and freedom in their own lands for non-Muslims. It would never happen. Why is this cleric really going to the Middle East? Perhaps to confirm how much money the terrorist-backing Muslim countries will be offering to build this "victory mosque" on behalf of the president, an avowed sympathizer? How much lower will the president bow? Apoparently he's not done with the bowing and scraping.
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by 34sender August 19, 2010 9:18 PM EDT
He WENT to the Middle East as a representative of Condoleeza Ric'es State Dept. He was dispatched by then POTUS George W Bush. President Bush's close confidant Karen Hughes accompanied him.


You don't even READ the facts, how can you ever make a statement that people don't dismiss immediately?
So now you are saying all these folks are Muslim sympathizers and radicals?
by gig76 August 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
We need to get rid of too many Christian sects that are forming daily in America. It's a religion that has completely missed the full message of Jesus, The Christ. The Baptists have their version, the Church of Christ theirs, the Nazarene have an idea how they want to worship, Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodist, United Methodist, Non Denominational, Presbyterians, Assembly of God, Church of God, Christian Scientologists, Unity Church, Universal Churches, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormans (who don't believe in Holy Trinity of Holy Spirit), and many many other sects. Just way too many and most don't get the real message since the translation is whatever the group, sect, or cult wants it to become. So, no to Christianity in America. It's too arrogant and too translated into too many Christian sects that have created too many crazy people in America. The Quakers and the Amish are very quiet religious groups that really have the true meaning of Christianity. They keep their religion to themselves and worship God daily. They are truly spiritual and true believers of the faith of Jesus, The Christ. We should all become more like these two faiths instead of arrogant like Palin and her bunch. Palin has made being a Christian a mockery of our sacred faith and the Catholics have taken into their own hands how to be bullies to vulnerable children and parish members who go for help in their crisis or situation. Instead of help they get molested. Shameful!
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by KeithL2 August 24, 2010 5:14 AM EDT
Who are you to question their faith dude? When Clearly damaging acts are commited in the name of God or pedophiles lurk in the shadow odf a church yes those people are wrong. They shouldx get no aid or comfort from true believers and SHOULD BE DENOUNCED. Are you putting yourself in Gods p[lace?
just a thought
by gig76 August 19, 2010 2:38 PM EDT
We need to get rid of too many Christian sects that are forming daily in America. It's a religion that has completely missed the full message of Jesus, The Christ. The Baptists have their version, the Church of Christ theirs, the Nazarene have an idea how they want to worship, Catholics, Episcopalians, Methodist, United Methodist, Non Denominational, Presbyterians, Assembly of God, Church of God, Christian Scientologists, Unity Church, Universal Churches, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormans (who don't believe in Holy Trinity of Holy Spirit), and many many other sects. Just way too many and most don't get the real message since the translation is whatever the group, sect, or cult wants it to become. So, no to Christianity in America. It's too arrogant and too translated into too many Christian sects that have created too many crazy people in America. The Quakers and the Amish are very quiet religious groups that really have the true meaning of Christianity. They keep their religion to themselves and worship God daily. They are truly spiritual and true believers of the faith of Jesus, The Christ. We should all become more like these two faiths instead of arrogant like Palin and her bunch. Palin has made being a Christian a mockery of our sacred faith and the Catholics have taken into their own hands how to be bullies to vulnerable children and parish members who go for help in their crisis or situation. Instead of help they get molested. Shameful!
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