AP/ July 14, 2010, 8:46 AM

Ariz. Immigration Lawsuit Targets Cop Training

A seventh challenge to Arizona's tough new immigration crackdown says training materials designed to teach police officers how to enforce the law give "vague and ill-defined factors" as reasons to question someone's legal status.

Officers aren't supposed to use a person's race to determine whether there's reasonable suspicion they're in the country illegally.

But the lawsuit, filed Friday in federal court, says the training materials developed by state police bosses allow officers to rely on things like whether a person speaks poor English, looks nervous or is traveling in an overcrowded vehicle.

They can even take into account whether someone is wearing several layers of clothing in a hot climate, or hanging out in an area where illegal immigrants are known to look for work.

That will lead to "widespread" racial profiling of Hispanics, the lawsuit says.

The law, set to take effect July 29, already faces legal challenges from two police officers, other groups and the U.S. Justice Department, which says the law usurps the federal government's "pre-eminent authority" under the Constitution to regulate immigration.

The latest lawsuit's filers, including the League of United Latin American Citizens, expect it to be heard by U.S. District Judge Susan Bolton, who is hearing the six other legal challenges. Bolton said this week that she is making no promises to rule on the lawsuits before the law takes effect.

The latest challenge also argues that immigrants who already are known to federal authorities and who have petitions to legalize their status will be subject to arrest because they don't have the specific documents the new law requires.

The enforcement guidelines being challenged were adopted by the Arizona Peace Officer Standards and Training Board and will be distributed to all 15,000 Arizona police officers.

Police departments will decide the best way to teach their forces. There is no requirement that all 15,000 Arizona police officers complete the training before the law takes effect.

The law requires police enforcing another law to ask people about their immigration status if there's a "reasonable suspicion" they're in the country illegally.

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mrdavidkolds1 says:
When the people of Arizona decided that to protect themselves it must pass state immigration laws, nearly identical to the federal immigration laws, I expected the president to start taking our laws seriously just from embarrassment, having been derelict in his duty to protect the American people, but he didn?t. To my amazement, in spite of voters and states support for enforcing these laws, not only won?t he enforce federal law, but is determined to stop State government?s from passing and enforcing similar laws.
To me something done this deliberately (or rather, not done) feels like betrayal. I feel sadness that my beautiful and powerful America may be in danger. The country my children were to inherit might not be there for them. Why? Why would he do this? I don?t know. Maybe he wants to upset the balance between the two parties by tossing 13 million foreign nationals into the mix. Or maybe he is so na?ve he thinks he is doing the right thing (but for whom? For America? For the World as a whole?) Most presidents like to think that future generations will look back with admiration at their time in office as enlightened. Things got better under them. Maybe he has ideas of what the world should look like in 10 or 20 or 50 years. If so, I wish he would tell us what he is trying to accomplish so the American people can either agree or disagree, because I am getting a little anxious.
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endurorob_5 says:
Sounds to me like the indicators are for someone who would have something to hide from law enforcement.
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tsigili says:
The training simply shows those factors which are high probability indicators, of illegals. To say that is "rascist" is a joke.

Of COURSE, inability to speak English, traveling in a crowded vehicle, or hanging out in a "day labor" pick up zone, are high probability indicators, of illegals.

Being in an area in TX, where illegal traffic is quite high, I can assure you, that if the Government really WANTED to pick up and deport illegals, that would be a relatively simple task. All of the residents here, know where they are, where they go, and what they do. It doesn't take any special ability whatsoever, for a local to identify thousands of illegals, in this area alone.

The government simply REFUSES to do their job......at all!
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formrusmcsgt says:
by JustYourAverageReader July 11, 2010 9:49 AM EDT
>>> by formrusmcsgt July 11, 2010 9:44 AM EDT, "Well, first off I'll offer the fact that I've fought for my country in combat? Have you? I seriously doubt it. "

Three tours in Vietnam. Eleven years in the military. Five years in the DoD. But what does this have to do with the issue?
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with that service, would you accept accusations of inaction?

I don't think so.

Nor do I.
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formrusmcsgt says:
I must take my leave.

Good morning, all.

As always, a pleasure.
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formrusmcsgt says:
by JustYourAverageReader July 11, 2010 9:42 AM EDT
You lose. AZ wins. Deal with it.
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The law is facing 7 different legal challenges.

Don't hold your breath....
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formrusmcsgt says:
by JustYourAverageReader July 11, 2010 9:40 AM EDT
You enforced my point. Your thinking - disguised as whining, complaining, and pointing fingers has amounted to nothing. Take your thinking to your legislators. Go help AZ stop the flow. You whine and fail to act. Clearly that has been and continues to be your modus operandi.
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Well, first off I'll offer the fact that I've fought for my country in combat?

Have you?

I seriously doubt it.

So don't try to preach to me about action.

Secondly, the bitter partisanship that exists is our defeating factor.

Even if I'm correct, and my formula would work, getting both side to buy it would be a possibility because it would require cooperation to implement.

And there's no appetite for cooperation. Both sides take a "it has to be OUR way or forget it" attitude, which GUARANTEES that no progress will transpire.

So it will be a status quo ad infinitim issue until that changes.
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formrusmcsgt replies:
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...an impossibility....
JustYourAverageReader replies:
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>>> by formrusmcsgt July 11, 2010 9:44 AM EDT, "Well, first off I'll offer the fact that I've fought for my country in combat? Have you? I seriously doubt it. "

Three tours in Vietnam. Eleven years in the military. Five years in the DoD. But what does this have to do with the issue?
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formrusmcsgt says:
by JustYourAverageReader July 11, 2010 9:36 AM EDT
Your formula of years of idealistic thinking has obviously not worked as illegals continue to cross in increasing numbers.
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My formula has never been implemented so how could it have possibly failed?

You're not much for linear thinking, obviously....
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You enforced my point. Your thinking - disguised as whining, complaining, and pointing fingers has amounted to nothing. Take your thinking to your legislators. Go help AZ stop the flow. You whine and fail to act. Clearly that has been and continues to be your modus operandi.
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You lose. AZ wins. Deal with it.
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formrusmcsgt says:
by louiville35 July 11, 2010 9:29 AM EDT
So help us out what would YOU do to solve this?
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Well, I think several things need to be done in concert with each other for us to get where we need to be on this issue.

And, having thought many years on the matter, believe I have a formula that, if implemented, would achieve what we want here.

But the partisanship in our system prohibits any consensus on the mechanism, so it will not happen.
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Your formula of years of idealistic thinking has obviously not worked as illegals continue to cross in increasing numbers. Even if you were just thinking along normal non-idealistic lines, your thinking still has done nothing to solve the problem.
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scabbard2 says:
Great discussion everyone, but where is the plan to retake our streets from the drug cartel thugs??
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formrusmcsgt replies:
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Never happen without legalization regardless of what we do.

The fact that it's contraband guarantees felonious profit which will always draw a never-ending chain of criminals determined to have it.
Fekhten replies:
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"Never happen without legalization regardless of what we do....The fact that it's contraband guarantees felonious profit which will always draw a never-ending chain of criminals determined to have it."

But that doesn't mean we should just roll over, give up, stop fighting crime, and legalize every harmful substance known to man.
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