November 5, 2010 6:25 PM

Retired General: Gays Weakened Dutch Army

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FILE - In this July 4, 2009 file photo, military personnel join the march during an annual gay parade organized by Pride London, the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender charity, in central London. (AP Photo/Akira Suemori, file)

FILE - In this July 4, 2009 file photo, military personnel join the march during an annual gay parade organized by Pride London, the lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender charity, in central London. (AP Photo/Akira Suemori, file) (AP Photo/Akira Suemori)

(AP)  A retired U.S. general says Dutch troops failed to defend against the 1995 genocide in the Bosnian war because the army was weakened, partly because it included openly gay soldiers.

The comment by John Sheehan, a former NATO commander who retired from the military 1997, shocked some at a Senate Armed Services Committee, where Sheehan spoke in opposition to a proposal to allow gays to serve openly in the U.S. military. Committee Chairman Sen. Carl Levin told Sheehan he was "totally off-target."

Sheehan said European militaries deteriorated after the collapse of the Soviet Union and focused on peacekeeping because "they did not believe the Germans were going to attack again or the Soviets were coming back."

Belgium, Luxembourg, the Netherlands and other nations believed there was no longer a need for an active combat capability in the militaries, he said. "They declared a peace dividend and made a conscious effort to socialize their military - that includes the unionization of their militaries, it includes open homosexuality."

Dutch troops serving as U.N. peacekeepers and tasked with defending the town of Srebrenica in 1995 were an example of a force that became ill-equipped for war.

"The battalion was understrength, poorly led, and the Serbs came into town, handcuffed the soldiers to the telephone poles, marched the Muslims off, and executed them," Sheehan said.

"That was the largest massacre in Europe since World War II," he said of the killing of some 8,000 Bosnian Muslim boys and men after Serbian forces captured the town.

Levin, D-Mich., appeared incredulous. "Did the Dutch leaders tell you it (the fall of Srebrenica) was because there were gay soldiers there?" he asked.

"Yes," Sheehan said. "They included that as part of the problem." He said the former chief of staff of the Dutch army had told him.

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Levin said it may be the case that some militaries have focused on peacekeeping to the detriment of their war-fighting skills.

"But I think that any effort to connect that failure on the part of the Dutch to the fact that they have homosexuals, or did allow homosexuals, I think is totally off-target," said Levin, a proponent of ending restrictions on gays serving in the U.S. armed forces.

"The Dutch military, as you point out, were peacekeepers and not peace-enforcers. I agree with that," said Levin. "But what the heck that has to do with the issue before us is what mystifies me."

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by erb0087 March 21, 2010 12:27 AM EDT
"Gays Weakened Dutch Army"

Hey, maybe that's what happened to the Kansas Jayhawks.



(just kidding)
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by erb0087 March 21, 2010 12:17 AM EDT
Countries that allow homosexuals to serve in the military:

Argentina
Australia
Austria
Belgium
Bermuda [and when was the last time Bermuda lost a war ?]
Brazil
Canada
Czech Republic
Denmark
Estonia
Finland
France
Germany
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Lithuania
Luxembourg
Malta
The Netherlands
New Zealand
Norway
Peru
Philippines
Romania
Russia ("As of July 1, 2003, homosexual people in Russia can serve in the military, even openly - there is no official policy coercing them to hide their sexual orientation.")
Slovenia
South Africa
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
United Kingdom
Uruguay"

- External sources cited at Wikipedia
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by erb0087 March 21, 2010 12:22 AM EDT
"Countries that allow homosexuals to serve in the military:

...Malta..."

I did wonder about those Knights of Malta.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mlenny/2690551758/
by erb0087 March 21, 2010 12:12 AM EDT
TVO1CITW's head must remain soft at all times.
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by erb0087 March 21, 2010 12:09 AM EDT
by TVO1CITW March 19, 2010 9:42 AM EDT
A gay mentality is too sympathetic to ever be true military. Besides, their hands must remain soft at all times.
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You wouldn't dare say that to Barney Frank's face.

He'd knock you silly.
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by TVO1CITW March 19, 2010 9:42 AM EDT
A gay mentality is too sympathetic to ever be true military. Besides, their hands must remain soft at all times. You may have only one good example out of a thousand, but, that is no reason to fill the entire military with that mindset. For the greater good should gay people consider not making an issue of this.
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by TVO1CITW March 19, 2010 11:24 AM EDT
Everyone of you have a fetish and need some odd duck to get things kicked off. Per capita, more of you want out by suicide or to get lost in your "pleasures" so you don't have to deal with the normality you lost somewhere.
by flight-321 March 19, 2010 11:30 AM EDT
Wow...your choice of wording makes it sounds so sexy like you have thought about A LOT!

You act like homosexuals are the ONLY people with fetishes...for any type/classification of individuals you have in one demographic you will find in all demographis of society.
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by flight-321 March 19, 2010 9:26 AM EDT
I am truly tired...done...feedup with people's association of gays being imoral or conducting themselves immorally soley based upon the physical act of what "gay" means to certain idiots.

Based upon most religious groups sex is only to further the human race. NOT for personal pleasure. So I want everyone to stop having sex unless you plan on creating offspring!

I would also like any all "immoral" acts between straight people to stop immediately! You can't have your cake and eat it too!

FYI...THERE IS NO AGENDA - unless agenda means keeping your azz out of other peoples business!
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by TVO1CITW March 19, 2010 9:29 AM EDT
flight-321 - You are correct. Now, stay out of other peoples business.
by chitown639 March 19, 2010 9:10 AM EDT
@ TVO1CITW,

I think we've seen more often than not that many homophobes like yourself usually have some hidden or secret homosexual tendencies themselves. Perhaps the hatred that you're expressing is really the shame and hatred you feel for your own homosexual desires.....
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by TVO1CITW March 19, 2010 9:27 AM EDT
I may have been a lesbian before, but, never will I ever think a man could pleasure me nor will I allow that thought to pass through my mind. It's like the Secret deorderant commercial, "Strong enough for a man, but made for a woman."
by chitown639 March 19, 2010 8:57 AM EDT
Its really embarrassing for the country to have this retired general come out and make these ridiculous statements. In the eyes of many around the world, the U.S. has a idiot neanderthal segment within its population that always seems to gain power and steer the country into wars, racism and bigotry. The generals ignorant backwards rethoric has single-handedly done more to weaken our military and our country than the thousands of gay men and women servicing and fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan on OUR behalf could ever do.....
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by cleric60 March 19, 2010 8:42 AM EDT
Hey, maybe these Dutch soldiers were so busy be merri-ones that they didn't notice the Serbians.
Just a thought!
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by TVO1CITW March 19, 2010 8:24 AM EDT
greyagenda - Your name here tells the story. Putting everything in the sea of grey is what you want and what you want everyone else to do as well. I want to be the CEO of CBS. That means I want everyone at CBS to approve of me for what I am and place me at the top of their system. IT AIN'T GOING TO HAPPEN! The gay agenda and the gay lifestyle will ALWAYS OFFEND HETEROSEXUALS and you need to be able to live with it just like we heterosexuals have to live in the USA with you.
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by greyagenda March 19, 2010 8:50 AM EDT
TVO1CITW You seem under the delusion that heterosexuals are all like you. And it is highly doubtful, with an attitude so basic, that you would move forward in any career, especially since you are under the other delusion that CEO's have to have everyone's approval, and therefore are not open to criticism or change. The attitudes towards gay people has improved vastly in the last thirty years, in most parts of the world. The fundamentalist countries, both muslim and christian, being some of the exceptions. It is very hard to imagine that that progress is going to halt, because of a minority of people, like you, who promote the bigots agenda and pursue the homophobic lifestyle and are so vocal and proud of their ignorance. The views of those living the homophobic lifestyle are sounding more and more retarded. Sheehan is an example. And his generation are going to die off. Evolution is a beautiful thing.
by TVO1CITW March 19, 2010 9:00 AM EDT
greyagenda - Then why are you complaining. If only a few of us are left (actually right) then focus on the rest of America that accepts you with open arms and leave us alone. When we are the minority, I hope you treat us the same way you have expected us to treat you. I'm sure heterosexuals can abandon all hope of that happening.
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