AP/ March 14, 2010, 10:14 AM

AP: Shooters' Guns Came Via Memphis Police

Two guns used in high-profile shootings this year at the Pentagon and a Las Vegas courthouse both came from the same unlikely place: the police and court system of Memphis, Tenn.

Law enforcement officials told The Associated Press that both guns were once seized in criminal cases in Memphis. The officials described how the weapons made their separate ways from an evidence vault to gun dealers and to the shooters.

The use of guns that were once in police custody to attack police officers highlights a little-known divide in gun policy in the U.S.: Many cities and states destroy guns gathered in criminal probes, but others sell or trade the weapons in order to get other guns or buy police equipment.

In fact, on the day of the Pentagon shooting, March 4, the Tennessee governor signed legislation revising state law on confiscated guns. Before, law enforcement agencies in the state had the option of destroying a gun. Under the new version, agencies can only destroy a gun if it's inoperable or unsafe.

Kentucky has a similar law, but it's not clear how many other states have laws specifically designed to promote the police sale or trade of confiscated weapons.

A nationwide review by The Associated Press in December found that over the previous two years, 24 states - mostly in the South and West, where gun-rights advocates are particularly strong - have passed 47 new laws loosening gun restrictions. Gun rights groups are making a greater effort to pass favorable legislation in state capitals.

John Timoney, who led the Philadelphia and Miami police departments and served as New York's No. 2 police official, said he doesn't believe police departments should be putting more guns into the market.

"I just think it's unseemly for police departments to be selling guns that later turn up," he said, recalling that he had once been offered the chance to sell guns to raise money for the police budget.


For more info:
Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
Memphis Police Department
Shelby County Sheriff's Office
By Associated Press Writer Devlin Barrett; AP writer Lucas L. Johnson II in Nashville, Tenn. contributed to this story
© 2010 The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed.
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Rodeo_Joe says:
Let the victims sue 'em.
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bdwilson616 replies:
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Smart comment bright boy.... Let's sue the cops, It couldn't possibly be the fault of the criminal that aimed and fired the weapon at someone. OOOOh no, we can't hold the guilty party responsible. Where would the Dems get their votes?
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ALBrainTrust10 says:
GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE....PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE WITH GUNS.
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6591Hou says:
Confiscated weapons should only go to smelters after they are no longer needed for criminal investigation. They have to be considered as hazardous waste and tracked cradle to grave once they enter police custody.
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Archie_Clement replies:
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Why? Firearms are inanimate objects of value. Why not sell them? It is legal to own firearms in this country, and the police departments need the money. Besides lots of modern weapons are made of plastics and melting them down would pollute the environment and cause Global Warming. Isn't it strange that firearms sales soared in 2009 and overall crime in the country took a major drop?
Wolf1944 replies:
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Archie, do you know what "non-sequitur" means?

Crime in this country has been dropping for about 15 years. It has dropped faster in the states that restrict guns.
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quapawsix says:
What's your point wolf or is it you are envious of us Gun toe-ton Southerners.
According to Forbes Magazine, Memphis is the second-most dangerous city in the U.S.

That's based on violent crimes per 100,000 people.

Their list of the 15 most dangerous cities is as follows:

Detroit, Mich.
Memphis, Tenn.
Miami, Fla.
Las Vegas, Nev.
Stockton, Calif.
Orlando, Fla.
Little Rock, Ark.
Charleston, S.C.
Nashville, Tenn.
Baltimore, Md.
New Orleans, La.
Baton Rouge, La.
West Palm Beach, Fla.
Charlotte, N.C.
Philadelphia, Pa.

As you can see, the list is dominated by the South where the gun laws are lax.
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Wolf1944 replies:
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My point is pretty obvious.

I've lived in the South all my life, and I do not envy the knuckle-draggers who think they have to have a gun everywhere they go.
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lemonskinkus says:
Interesting article isn't it.

Ballad of Terry Hoskins
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consciousnes says:
Here we go again, it is not the gun that kills a person, it is a person and if there were no guns it would be a sword or something just a deadly like a chain saw.
Just like the pen does not write the word, guns do not kill people.
Wake up anti-gun people, use your head for something other than a hat rack.
If you spent your time, money and efforts in actually trying to find out "WHY" people kill people, you would do the WHOLE WORLD a favor. You just might stop all the wars on earth.
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Wolf1944 replies:
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Well, the police in Orlando carried out a campaign to get guns off the street and away from the gangs.

Violent crime in Orlando went down 33% in one year.

The "they'll just use knives or clubs" argument does not hold water.

Would the Pentagon shooter have tried to attack armed policemen with an edged weapon?

How many times have you heard of a drive-by clubbing?
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rondivoo says:
This shows how much police departments are lacking financial support in all cities, counties, and states.
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bdwilson616 replies:
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Absolutely... How can people justify limiting the ability to defend your family while at the same time reducing the budget for law enforcement that is alrady streatched way too thin to help most citizens in time.
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bdwilson616 says:
http://nrapublications.org/AC/index.asp
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bdwilson616 says:
Below is a link to some reports of people who needed the protection of a firearm to save their family..... HALF did not end up with the criminal being injured. The Brady Bunch doesn't want you to know this information. It shows how they are intentionally misleading everyone with their statistics.
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Wolf1944 replies:
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Well, here are some stats:

Every time a gun injures or kills in self-defense, it is used:

11 times for completed and attempted suicides (Kellermann, 1998, p. 263).
7 times in criminal assaults and homicides, and
4 times in unintentional shooting deaths or injuries.

http://www.bradycampaign.org/facts/gunviolence/gunsinthehome
jsf14 replies:
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By what legal principle can the mentally ill be denied the right to a gun?
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bdwilson616 says:
Are there actually people stupid enought to think these crimes would not have happened if the PD would have destroyed these two guns??? People determined to commit crimes are going to, reguardless of the existing laws. Blame the criminal, not the tool he desides to use. DUH.
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stevex47 replies:
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Nice argument almost. If the criminal is going to get guns anyway...then WHY NOT destroy these guns?

You might as well be placing it right in the criminals hands.
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