March 11, 2010 2:38 PM

Greek Youths Revolt over Economic Crisis

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(AP)  Serious street clashes erupted between rioting youths and police in central Athens Thursday as tens of thousands demonstrated during a nationwide strike against the cash-strapped government's austerity measures.

Hundreds of masked and hooded youths punched and kicked motorcycle police, knocking several off their bikes, as riot police responded with volleys of tear gas and stun grenades.

The violence spread after the end of the march to a nearby square, where police faced off with stone-throwing anarchists and suffocating clouds of tear gas sent patrons scurrying from open-air cafes.

Police say 16 suspected rioters were detained and two officers were injured.

Rioters used sledge hammers to smash the glass fronts of more than a dozen shops, banks, jewelers and a cinema. Youths also set fire to rubbish bins and a car, smashed bus stops, and chopped blocks off marble balustrades and building facades to use as projectiles.

Organizers said some 60,000 people took part in the protest. But an unofficial police estimate set the crowd at around 20,000 - including those that took part in a separate, peaceful march earlier Thursday. Police do not issue official crowd estimates for demonstrations.

Thursday's strike - the second in a week - brought the country to a virtual standstill, grounding all flights and bringing public transport to a halt. State hospitals were left with emergency staff only and all news broadcasts were suspended as workers walked off the job for 24 hours to protest spending cuts and tax hikes designed to tackle the country's debt crisis.

Riot police made heavy use of tear gas during the start-and-stop clashes throughout the demonstration, including outside Parliament. Strikers and protesters banged drums and chanted slogans such as "no sacrifice for plutocracy," and "real jobs, higher pay." People draped banners from apartment buildings reading: "No more sacrifices, war against war."

The demonstrators included hundreds of black-clad anarchists in crash helmets and ski masks, who repeatedly taunted and attacked riot police with stones and petrol bombs, at one point spraying officers with brown paint. Shopkeepers along the demonstration route hastily rolled down their shutters, while a few blocks away, people sat at outdoor restaurants, nonchalantly continuing their meals.

Tear gas wafted through the city center's streets, sending businessmen in suits scurrying for cover, their eyes streaming.

Minor clashes also broke out in the northern city of Thessaloniki, where about 14,000 people marched through the center.

Fears of a Greek default have undermined the euro for all 16 countries that share it, putting the Greek government under intense European Union pressure to quickly show fiscal improvement.

It has announced an additional euro4,8 billion ($65.33 billion) in savings through public sector salary cuts, hiring and pension freezes and consumer tax hikes to deal with its ballooning deficit, but the measures have led to a new wave of labor discontent.

The cutbacks, added to a previous euro11.2 billion ($15.24 billion) austerity plan, seek to reduce the country's budget deficit from 12.7 percent of annual output to 8.7 percent this year. The long-term target is to bring overspending below the EU ceiling of 3 percent of GDP in 2012.

The new plan sparked a wave of strikes and protests from labor unions whose reaction to the initial austerity measures had been muted. Thursday's strike shut down all public services and schools, leaving ferries tied up at port and suspending all news broadcasts for the day. However, some private bank branches were open despite calls from the bank employees' union to participate in the strike.

While their colleagues clashed with groups of protesters, some police joined the demonstration.

About 200 uniformed police, coast guard and fire brigade officers, who cannot go on strike but can hold protests, gathered at a square in the center of the city shortly before the marches got under way.

"The police and other security forces have been particularly hard hit by the new measures because our salaries are very low," said Yiannis Fanariotis, general secretary of one police association. He said the average policeman made about euro1,000-euro1,200 ($1,360-$1,635) a month if weekend and night shifts were included.

Joining the protest "doesn't feel strange, because we are working people like everybody else and we are all shouting out for our rights," he said.

The government says the tough cuts are its only way to dig Greece out of a crisis that has hammered the common European currency and alarmed international markets - inflating the loan-dependent country's borrowing costs.

But unions say ordinary Greeks are being called to pay a disproportionate price for past fiscal mismanagement.

"They are trying to make workers pay the price for this crisis," said Yiannis Panagopoulos, leader of Greece's largest union, the GSEE.

"These measures will not be effective and will throw the economy into deep freeze."

A general strike last Friday was marred by violence during a large protest march. Riot police used tear gas and baton charges against rock-throwing protesters, who smashed banks and storefronts, while left-wing protesters roughed up Panagopoulos as he was addressing a rally.

The labor unrest could spark fears that the government will have trouble in implementing its new measures.

Greece insists it doesn't need a bailout, and its European partners are reluctant to fund one. But it has called for European and international support for its program, saying that unless it receives that support and the cost for it to borrow on the market falls, it might have to appeal to the International Monetary Fund for help.

On Wednesday night, Deputy Prime Minister Theodore Pangalos said Greece could bypass the costly process of borrowing from edgy markets by urging international institutions to buy its bonds at a set interest rate.

"We want, if there is an unjustified speculative attack against Greek bonds, to know that one of these institutions that have the substantial means to absorb such market products will come and say 'look here, I am buying Greek bonds at this price, with this interest rate,"' Pangalos told private Mega TV.

He did not say which institutions he was referring to, or elaborate on the interest rate.

Markets think some kind of rescue would be organized if default looms. Speculation has focused on possible guarantees for Greek bonds or help from state-owned banks in other eurozone countries.

AP
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by ddog88 March 12, 2010 2:13 PM EST
In France the rich said "let them eat cake". In Greece will they say "Let them eat gyro"?
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by wdh3007 March 12, 2010 1:24 AM EST
HB 1388 PASSED

You just spent $20,000,000 to move members/supporters of Hamas, a terrorist organization, to the United States. They get housing, food, the whole enchilada.
Whether you are an Obama fan or not, EVERYONE IN THE U. S. needs to know.
Something happened on January 27, 2010. H.B. 1388 was passed, behind our backs. You may want to read about it. It wasn't mentioned on the news.
Obama funds $20M in tax payer dollars to immigrate Hamas refugees to the USA this is the news that didn't make the headlines. By executive order, President Barack Obama has ordered the expenditure of $20.3 million in "migration assistance" to the Palestinian refugees and "conflict victims" in Gaza.
The "presidential determination", which allows hundreds of thousands of Palestinians with ties to Hamas to resettle in the United States, was signed and appears in the Federal Register.
Few on Capitol Hill, or in the media, took note that the order provides a free ticket replete with housing and food allowances to individuals who have displayed their overwhelming support to the Islamic Resistance Movement (Hamas) in the parliamentary election of January 2006.
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by ladd09 March 11, 2010 9:42 PM EST
GWB, an MBA who trashed the world economy. I mean cmom, this poor soul couldn't even put together a complete sentence which proves that Dick Cheney was the one really running the show. Dick got what he wanted and he used W. to do it...
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by curse914 March 11, 2010 9:41 PM EST
by hateisafourletterword March 11, 2010 8:33 PM EST
Actually the people in the "big homes" with the "fancy cars" and the "fancy clothes" living in "excess" are much better at looking into the future and they are disturbed at what they see. So - they are the ones "running to the hills" by moving their assets to safer environs.

That leaves the people who formerly relied to these "wealthier behemoths" without the jobs and tax revenues used to support their lives. And then you end up with these protests when they finally figure out that they will now have to support themselves.

It is really an ugly situation, but was preventable. Just stop killing the golden goose.

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What would be an acceptable income and marginal corporate tax rate to you?

List all the entitlement programs you want axed.

Out of curiosity, what you do think is a living wage? Is it ok that our laborers should have to compete with countries that have zero labor, product safety and environmental laws?

And speaking of environmental laws, which ones really tick you off?
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by hateisafourletterword March 11, 2010 11:40 PM EST
15% on first 100,000 of individual income and 30% above that. 45% tax on all income above $10,000,000. So let Gore, Buffet, Gates, Hanks, Olbermann etal pay the high rates.

I will make you a great deal. You can keep my employers social security contributions. I do not care if you pay for Spitzers and Tigers hookers or if you want to pay for illegals to have babies. Let me take my social security contribution and control it in an IRA - I will even allow you to restrict me to only a conservative portfolio - 70% fixed income and 30% growth. GET IT CONSERVATIVE - sort of a nice play on words don't you think.

A livable wage depends on where you live. In S.F., NYC, DC and LA it might be $250,000 per year for a family of four. In the town I grew up on a farm it is $50,000 today. Most places I would say $100,000 for a family of four.

You know what I paid for my college - worked the entire time. I paid for my masters degree too - 100%. One $2,500 student loan for B.S. and one $2,000 student loan for Masters. I saved. I worked. I worked full-time while getting my Masters too. People can do it, but you have to want it. Do not expect people to just hand you the keys to life.

I am all for protecting our borders and our jobs. Put tariffs in place. BUT you also must stop the union crap too. Try to put on a conference in Chicago. By the time you pay off the union thugs and then tolerate hiring 8 people to do the work of 3, you have priced yourself out of the market.

And I am all for safety and environmental laws. I am a conservative - hence I conserve. I installed artificial grass for our lawn to reduce our water consumption. I want clean water and clean air too. But I want jobs.

I will make you a deal then. S.F. used to be teeming with deer and elk, fox and eagles. Let's tear down S.F. and return it to the animals. If you get this done then feel free to come discuss the environmental laws you are so worried about. NIMBY is alive and well in the progressive movement.
by tmittelstaed March 12, 2010 1:28 AM EST
"will make you a great deal. You can keep my employers social security contributions"

You must have got your Economics degree from Moo U. Most of the spouting you have been doing here is utterly impractical. The US has billions of dollars now of COMMITTED expenditures in future Social Security benefits that it is under contract to provide. You know what a contract is, son? Certainly sounds like you don't.

I wouldn't object to a phased-in privatization of Social Security. You start by offering every 18 year old the option of putting part of his FICA contribution into an IRA. Then you do that for a few years and each new crop of 18 year olds gets the option to put a larger percentage in and you see how it goes. But, you cannot give each new crop of 18 year olds the option to go completely private because the country must use incoming FICA to pay off it's older obligations. The US will get a chance to do a phase in, in about 30-40 years when the baby boomers all die off and we start having a declining population of retirees. Whether the political leaders of the time then will have the balls to do it is anyone's guess. But, you cannot do anything like this now because we are about to have the boomers hit retirement and all start drawing off SS, and if the US doesen't pay those obligations then it will lose all fiscal trust it has in the world, and it's currency will be worthless. Then your economics degree won't find you a job sweeping the street, much less in the classroom.

As for nuke power plants that's a joke. The only reason that commercial nuke power plants made money was 40 years ago when the DOE was paying commercial operators for their spent fuel, so they could reprocess it into plutonium to build up the nuke stockpile. But, once arms control got started we got a surplus of plutonium and nobody now wants the spent fuel. That spent fuel repository in Yucca Mountain is 100% government paid, and it's a government subsidy. If the commercial electric companies had to pay for that, they would never build another reactor, ever.

Your only too quick to want privatization of your SS but your more than happy to give my taxes to the power company for them to build nukes. Well screw you, you RINO.
by curse914 March 11, 2010 9:11 PM EST
by hateisafourletterword March 11, 2010 8:39 PM EST
Well, California currently has around 87 billion barrels of oil underneath its state. Just $3 per barrel of state severance tax would fund 10 years of current budget deficits while also providing great paying UNION jobs for the next 50 years. Lots of GDP could be generated.


Build nuclear plants just not on fault lines.

Stop watering lawns in SC and let the farmers grow crops again. Farmers create jobs. Lawns cause global warming.

And we do not need 50% corporate tax rates. Our rates are among the highest in the world right now. Heck even Charlie Rangel was trying to lower the corporate tax rate to 30%.

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Are those actual proven reserves, because I thought proven was hovering around 25 billion in the entire United States. At our current consumption levels, that would be what 3 years tops, "energy autonomy". There was a fantasy speculative 134 billion potential (not proven). So, 8 years down the road and we have zilch oil reserves. That oil could be used for a boatload of other products that are dependent on petrol to manufacture. I guess you do not see as a limited resource.

How long does it take to get a nuclear plant online and who is going to foot the bill?

I agree, what is with people thinking they need to have a green lawn in the middle of the desert. Or when there are serious water shortages on the horizon.

You missed my point on the Marginal Corporate Tax. I pointed it out because that was the rate during a relatively stable period that had broad based prosperity. I was not saying we need to return to 50 percent.
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by curse914 March 11, 2010 9:32 PM EST
Found a site that stated proven oil reserves under current economic conditions was 70 billion for North America. If I am not mistaken we consume around 7.5 billion a year, so would have roughly 10 years before tapped it dry. And once again we can forget about manufacturing any of those products that are dependent on petrol at that point.

Oil is also the key ingredient in tens of thousands of consumer goods, including ink, plastic, dishwashing liquids, crayons, eyeglasses, deodorants, tires, ammonia, and heart valves (asphalt for roads) etc.
by wtcmedicdidntforget March 11, 2010 8:43 PM EST
Eurotrash, isnt there a sheep herd for them to terrorize instead?
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by curse914 March 11, 2010 9:14 PM EST
I am wondering how you are going to remove the Euro genetics from your DNA.

Notify me when they come up with the technology.
by Harden_Tar March 11, 2010 5:34 PM EST
Preview of our future if Washington continues to spend.
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by ladd09 March 11, 2010 9:25 PM EST
Right, The mess we have on our hands now is the fault of the current people in Washington. How quickly we forget or shall I say how convenient our memory is of who got us into this mess in the first place. GWB and the Republicans are responsible for the mess we have today and don't you forget it!
by curse914 March 11, 2010 4:30 PM EST
by hateisafourletterword March 11, 2010 3:38 PM EST

No babooph - this is what happens when government spending is out of control and has been for years. Pretty soon the tax bills hit the working people like it will in the U.S. very, very soon.

And for your information, Greece is/was socialistic/communistic most of the past 40 years. Please do not put the teabagging group with this group and the teabagger's have nothing in common with the people who ran Greece into the ground.

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Historically do you know what the marginal corporate tax and income tax has been? The marginal corporate tax rate was a whopping 50 percent during the most broad based prosperity our country has know, 1950s-60s. It is now 35 percent.

Here is a list of the fundamental changes that have occurred over the past 30 years to stagnate wages, increase inflation an ultimately allow banks to game the system till it imploded.

1) Energy dependence on OPEC
2) Deregulation of the financial sector
3) Off shoring loopholes and incentives, NAFTA and CAFTA.
4) A realization of finite raw materials limiting the means to production.

Bush "tax cuts" aka "tax deferments" were enacted in 2003 and are set to expire at the end of this year. What happened to the magical elixir of trickledown economics that we have been drinking for the past 7 years?

Your understanding of the economy is limited at best.
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by hateisafourletterword March 11, 2010 7:43 PM EST
Sorry to disappoint you. I have a Masters in Business and Economics.

We are energy dependent on OPEC and other oil producing countries - we have plenty of resources - we just do not want to drill the wells, build the nuclear plants and refine the oil.


Financial deregulation - you mean the law signed by President Clinton?

Offshoring loopholes - you mean what Ted Turner did 10 years ago when he moved $3 Billion of his estate offshore in return for a $1 Billion donation to the U.N.? Or are you talking about the billions in assets of George Soros held offshore off of profits in America that he does not pay tax on?

Follow me now. Two students at MIT in software development. One is from CA the other from Country X (not the USA). The person from X receives financial aid since they are a foreigner. The person from CA must pay their own way since their parents have adequate money. Stike #1 against the American.

Now after graduating from school the students from X and California both get jobs at Google. They earn the same money and pay the same taxes for 5 years. Then Google announces they will relocate both jobs to India. They both move to India and make 50% of the money they made in the USA.

Funny, the person from X pays no USA tax anymore, but the person from CA must still pay USA tax on their income (subject to the foreign earned income exclusion of course).

Yet the student now employee from X pays less tax, has no student loans and is no longer participating in the taxes to pay the debt of the USA while the student from CA has student loans (have you seen the tuition at MIT lately) and must pay for the USA tax system and debt, etc.

So please do not tell me I do not understand the economy. I understand global economics and finance at the highest levels. You are the person who does not understand how the USA is screwing itself with stupid laws and even more stupid programs which in the end only punish Americans.
by curse914 March 11, 2010 8:23 PM EST
Yeah, Yeah, we all have Masters degrees in economics. That is why our economy is falling apart at the seems.

Did you expect me to disagree with you when you basically agreed with me.

What is your Party of choice going to do about OPEC, NAFTA and Re-Regulation of the financial sector?
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by dwilson59 March 11, 2010 4:09 PM EST
Can we still blame Bush for this?

It works for Obama
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by I_am_me1953 March 11, 2010 6:07 PM EST
Yeah, sure, it is all GWB's fault.
by Brokennews March 11, 2010 3:49 PM EST
Let's help them out!
Let's let them be a US state!
We'll call it state New California!
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