March 13, 2010 8:52 AM

Pelosi: Dems "Close" to Health Care Deal

 

(AP)  Democrats claimed momentum Wednesday in their drive to enact the sweeping health care legislation sought by President Obama, citing near agreement on crucial issues despite persistent Republican efforts to knock them offstride.

Obama himself, rallying support outside Washington for the second time this week, shouted to a crowd in Missouri, "The time for talk is over. It's time to vote."

At the Capitol, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said that after days of secretive talks, key Democrats were "pretty close" to accord on additional subsidies to help lower-income families purchase insurance, more aid for states under the Medicaid program for low-income Americans and additional help for seniors who face a coverage gap under current Medicare drug plans.

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Pelosi, D-Calif., offered no details, and other officials cautioned that any final deal would hinge on cost estimates under preparation at the Congressional Budget Office.

Several officials in both houses also said Democrats were likely to impose a new payroll tax of as much as 2.9 percent on investment and dividend income earned by wealthy taxpayers. In addition, any legislation is expected to include a tax on high-cost insurance plans, along the lines of an agreement the White House negotiated late last year with organized labor.

At stake is the fate of Obama's call to expand health care to some 30 million people who lack insurance and to ban insurance company practices such as denial of coverage on the basis of pre-existing medical conditions. He also hopes to begin to reduce the rise in the cost of health care nationally.

Almost every American would be affected by the legislation, which would change the ways people receive and pay for health care, from the most routine checkup to the most expensive, lifesaving treatment.

Pelosi made her comments as Obama followed his campaign-reminiscent Pennsylvania trip of Monday with an appearance near St. Louis, pushing hard in the home stretch of the marathon battle to pass his signature domestic legislation.

"The time for talk is over. It's time to vote. It's time to vote. Tired of talking about it," he told the crowd.

With his shirt sleeves rolled up, Obama denounced waste and inefficiency in the government's health care system, and he announced that he had signed an executive order directing Cabinet secretaries and agency heads to intensify their use of private auditors to root out fraud.

House and Senate Democrats are working on a complex rescue mission for the health care legislation that appeared on the cusp of passage late last year, before Senate Republicans gained the strength to sustain a filibuster that could prevent final passage.

The current hope of the White House and Democratic leaders is for the House to approve the Senate-passed bill from late last year, despite serious objections to numerous provisions. Both houses would then pass a second bill immediately, making changes in the first measure before both could take effect. The second bill would be debated under rules that bar a filibuster, meaning it could clear by majority vote and without Democrats needing to amass a 60-vote supermajority that is beyond their reach.

Republicans have vowed to do everything they can to thwart the plan, and to go after Democratic supporters in next fall's midterm elections. In the Senate, the GOP rank and file issued a letter pledging to strip out any provision that does not adhere scrupulously to complex rules.

In addition, GOP leaders sought to stoke the fears of House Democrats who worried that the Senate would not approve the second bill. Even so, Sen. Jon Kyl, R-Ariz., the second ranking Senate GOP leader, conceded, "We can't delay a bill for months. We might delay it for a few hours."

Congressional Democrats and the White House are grappling with other issues as they maneuver toward a final vote.

Pelosi and other House Democrats want to include Obama's proposed overhaul of the nation's student loan programs in the second, fix-it health care bill. The measure would require the Department of Education to originate all student assistance loans, effectively eliminating a role for banks and private lenders.

That idea has run into opposition from several Senate Democrats, and while officials said the controversy was debated at length in a closed-door meeting Tuesday night, no decision was made.

Additionally, some House Democrats are hoping to avoid a straightforward vote on the Senate-passed health care bill. Instead, they want a procedural vote that would simply declare the measure to have passed at the moment the Senate cleared the fix-it bill.

Rep. Louise Slaughter, D-N.Y., chairwoman of the House Rules Committee, said that approach was under discussion. But other officials said no decisions had been made.

To the annoyance of some Democrats, the White House is pushing for a vote by the House before Obama leaves on a foreign trip at the end of next week.

Several officials said one of the thorniest issues to be resolved in the House-Senate negotiations was a demand from a dozen states for additional funds under Medicaid.

These states, New York, Pennsylvania and Massachusetts among them, already provide coverage under the low-income program for the poor that other states do not but would be required to if the legislation passes. The 12 are concerned that they will effectively be penalized for having been more generous than the rest of the country.

The legislation that passed the Senate late last year included a new Medicare payroll tax of 2.3 percent on wages for upper-income Americans. The White House wants to extend the tax to dividends and interest, at a higher rate of 2.9 percent.

Much of the proceeds would offset changes in an excise tax the Senate approved on high-cost insurance plans. Responding to criticism from labor leaders, the White House agreed over the winter to scale it back significantly. Officials said the revised proposal would raise about $120 billion less over a decade than the measure the Senate passed.

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by lakota2012 March 12, 2010 11:55 AM EST
Party Leaders Voice Optimism that they Can Send Obama an Insurance Reform Bill

Great!....and then BIG MOUTH conservitard rush limbrain will impose his self exile to Costa Rica, which is ranked just ahead of the U.S. in health care at 36th -- where many Americans travel yearly for their affordable health care.
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by noloyalisti March 11, 2010 6:20 PM EST
I agree, any thing that help the common people as opposed to the rich and the big corporations is bad for the conservatives. Any good news for the people is terrible news for the Republikkkans.
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by chitown639 March 11, 2010 6:01 PM EST
Republicans are so afraid that 30 million more americans will have health care insurance, that their talking about leaving the country once the bill passes. But they never say which country they're going to move to....probably because there aren't too many industrialized countries they can go to that don't already have some kind of nationalized health care system for their citizens. Moreover, the fact that the base of the Republican party is racist automatically eliminates most of the 3rd world countries out of the equation when it comes to republican immigrating abroad.
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by retiredgustav March 12, 2010 12:41 AM EST
One thing that will happen is that health care wil no longer be a condition of employment. That way corporate america will not be able to have it hanging over the employees head.
by Brokennews March 11, 2010 5:26 PM EST
This poster (velma179) is ALWAYS CRITICAL of other posters. She never has any "positive, upbuilding" posts of her own. She only posts when she can put someone down.

by 50BMS13 March 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST


I didn't consider her response a "put down". At least not by the standards set by this board. I posted & she disagreed with one of the points I made. She responded with her disagreement & responded with her point of view & supported it with examples. I thought her response was well reasoned & not that mean. I love a good debate where both sides are respectful of the others opinion even if they don't agree. Some on this board can be quite unreasonable, but I don't find velma179 unreasonable, at least on this subject.
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by 50BMS13 March 11, 2010 5:33 PM EST
Thank you Brokennews for your reply. I'm all for being fair and respectable in a discussion even if different in opinion. You always post fairly whether I agree with you or not. I have found her posts USUALLY belittle the opponent. Until I see positive input from her I will expose the truth. I'm glad in your case you didn't take offense. Keep posting Brokennews. It is always a pleasure to read them.
by velma179 March 11, 2010 5:01 PM EST
by Brokennews March 11, 2010 3:28 PM EST
Will that work like the way they spin the unemployment numbers where: "We save or created 2 million jobs", but don't mention the 4 million jobs that were lost? Governments have a way of making bad things appear good.

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You have made some thoughtful posts, Brokennews (by the way -- I agree... the news and I mean ALL of it, right left or indifferent mainstream, tributary, pond or scum on the pond... sure is pretty dang broken these days).


Ah... but in the above post, you need to think about what you wrote.

Four million jobs lost and two million jobs saved or created -- do not have to be correlating events.

A Story Example: Sam's bar loses 4 employees. Why? Because Sam was not such a good businessman and he hired lazy and/or snarling bartenders, so his business went down and he and his wife had to pick up double shifts in order to just stay open( watch out for who gets the business in the divorce!).

Ed's tavern hires 1 new bartender and keeps that cute girl all the guys like so much. Ed is smart -- he didn't hire the lazy or snarling servers that Sam let go, they are still unemployed. But he did hire a new cute young girl and Ed's business is doing great (watch for who gets the business in the divorce... when Ed's wife sees that new girl's ah, ah, assets.....:)

Silly, I know ... but do you get the point? Lost and saved/created are not all from one single "job pool".

Okie-dokie
carry on...

PS -- HCR will not tax every working American, the bill as proposed [to date] only levies tax on those making more than $200 grand. The "Cadillac plan tax" may or may not be implemented -- but if it is, individuals don't pay that tax, companies or collective bargaining entities (aka unions) will be assessed those taxes. And yes the unions will pay, they just [will possibly] get a pass for time to renegotiate employee payment/payroll agreements. I hope when you realize this is true, you'll be big enough to admit you had bought into some insistent, but still ...false assumptions.
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by 50BMS13 March 11, 2010 5:14 PM EST
This poster (velma179) is ALWAYS CRITICAL of other posters. She never has any "positive, upbuilding" posts of her own. She only posts when she can put someone down.
by Brokennews March 11, 2010 5:17 PM EST
I acknowledge your point & well stated! I was throwing an arbitrary 4 million as a fictitious scenario. Statistics can be twisted to support both sides of the same argument & it's amazing how often that happens.
Your example reminds me of a statistics comment in Scientific American.

A baseball manager has the lowest batting average in the league at 225. He hires a new batting coach & his hitters become so improved that the opposing teams now only use their best pitchers against his hitters. At the end of the year the team's batting average ends at 205. The statistics on paper look pretty bad, but the reality doesn't match the stats. Either way the Manager is fired at the end of the year.
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by 50BMS13 March 11, 2010 4:40 PM EST
Pelosi: >>>>> "If we can't force it by votes, we will shove it down their throats!"
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by Zann-Zel March 11, 2010 4:41 PM EST
Awww....Kinda reminds me of a kid who needs to take his medicine to get better!
by AOCGUY March 11, 2010 5:11 PM EST
Actually if the GOP in the Senate wouldn't block the vote through filibuster the bill would pass there. The house has really never been in question.
by noloyalisti March 11, 2010 4:36 PM EST
It were the corporation who care about only one thing who got rid of all the unions and the jobs. It was our governemnt who was supposed to serve us and the common good who let it happen. But ultimately you must blame We the People for getting so fat and stupid that we allowed (and continue to allow) this to occur.
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by noloyalisti March 11, 2010 4:34 PM EST
Asking the fringe to know the subject matter is like teaching pigs to speak Latin. It annoys the pig and pisses off the human.
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by reveal4 March 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST
Asking the fringe to "know the subject matter"...is like asking a ring tailed baboon to serve tea.
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by reveal4 March 11, 2010 4:27 PM EST
piBen...Asking the fringe to "know the subject matter"...is like asking a shark to develop compassion. .
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by Zann-Zel March 11, 2010 4:29 PM EST
Fish are Friends, not Food! : )
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